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It was never like that during the diversion influx's back in the 70's
It was never like that during the diversion influx's back in the 70's
The £60 million terminal (terminal as we know it now) got built in 1984 and could handle up to 3 million passengers.
Usually they operate a 2 class 77W to BHX. For this time of year, this seems like a pretty mediocre LF (although it is 66%).
This was EK29 - a LHR divert.
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So should be 3 class.
Even so you would have expected it to be chokka after all the LHR disruption.
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This was EK29 - a LHR divert.
Suzeman
So should be 3 class.
Even so you would have expected it to be chokka after all the LHR disruption.
Suzeman
I have looked up the 777-36N(ER) A6-ECO and according to the database the config is F8C42Y304. How do i know it's a three class from this info?
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Because there are 8 first class seats, 42 Club/Business class seats and 304 economy seats i.e. 3 different degrees of "comfort" and types of ticket available. Each class would be separated into their own cabin.
Most UK regional long-haul operations only have Business and Economy seats available
Most UK regional long-haul operations only have Business and Economy seats available
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I have looked up the 777-36N(ER) A6-ECO and according to the database the config is F8C42Y304. How do i know it's a three class from this info?
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Emirates off piste
Eh? Which runway did it land on? 15? looking at photo on BHX blog, if it was 15 then he must have been well past the 'E' turn before attempting a sharp left turn.
Even coming in the opposite direction along 'D' towards 'E1' it is not possible or permitted for any aircraft type to make that right turn 'D' into 'E' at the point where they got stuck. Theres also a clue as theres no centreline or lighting indicating a turn at that point.
The point i'm raising is what were the taxiing instructions from ATC? They know its a tight corner. Or is it a case of pilot error under all of the stand change confusion?
I suspect the latter, but to be fair, the corner shoulders where obscured by snow. Buts whats under the snow? it wasnt tarmac unfortunately.
And as for the multiple stand changes....
Even coming in the opposite direction along 'D' towards 'E1' it is not possible or permitted for any aircraft type to make that right turn 'D' into 'E' at the point where they got stuck. Theres also a clue as theres no centreline or lighting indicating a turn at that point.
The point i'm raising is what were the taxiing instructions from ATC? They know its a tight corner. Or is it a case of pilot error under all of the stand change confusion?
I suspect the latter, but to be fair, the corner shoulders where obscured by snow. Buts whats under the snow? it wasnt tarmac unfortunately.
And as for the multiple stand changes....
BMI are to base one of its A320 at BHX (and MAN) for two years to operate Lufthansa's Frankfurt services.
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Talk about Lost Opportunities!
BHX has possibly missed a golden chance to set itself apart from the LHR shenanigans as an airport up the road that could cope! In fairness, a caller to 5 Live yesterday went out of her way to say she had been impressed by the way the staff had coped, but many other local media reports have different views to give.
I wonder if all the hard working staff on the ground who I know have done what they could and more could have benefitted from the bodies and goodwill that have been so easily dispensed with over the past few years.
Kehoe was on Midlands Today, talking about a 'Perfect Storm.' They seem to be following him around!
I didn't like the speculation as to why the EK 777 went off piste - let due investigation take place! Reminded me of the time back in 2002 - was it a Thomson 757 failed to turn left at the end of the runway and went on to the grass?
BHX has possibly missed a golden chance to set itself apart from the LHR shenanigans as an airport up the road that could cope! In fairness, a caller to 5 Live yesterday went out of her way to say she had been impressed by the way the staff had coped, but many other local media reports have different views to give.
I wonder if all the hard working staff on the ground who I know have done what they could and more could have benefitted from the bodies and goodwill that have been so easily dispensed with over the past few years.
Kehoe was on Midlands Today, talking about a 'Perfect Storm.' They seem to be following him around!
I didn't like the speculation as to why the EK 777 went off piste - let due investigation take place! Reminded me of the time back in 2002 - was it a Thomson 757 failed to turn left at the end of the runway and went on to the grass?
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From the numbers: F8 means 8 first class seats, C42 is 42 business class, and Y304 is 304 economy class seats. More info on travel classes on Wiki: Travel class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
From the numbers: F8 means 8 first class seats, C42 is 42 business class, and Y304 is 304 economy class seats. More info on travel classes on Wiki: Travel class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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" I fail to see what relevance the unfortunate mis-routing of a B777 onto the grass has to do with BHXs' capability or otherwise of handling A380s"
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Although seems some dodgy steering was the main cause here, interesting that a pilot who frequently flew 737s from BHX and now flies B777s predicted a few months back,that it was only a matter of time before a 777 went off the taxiway onto the grass at BHX.
This he says due to the fact that although the taxiways are of approved standard are on the limits of that and, as narrow in places and tight turns are difficult.
The secondary factor here appears to be that the pilot was given the wrong information by BHX ,allocated a stand and headed towards.Then when they realised it was the wrong stand ,gave him another one which now needed an extremely tight turn to negotiate which he made a mess of.
There is no doubt BHX wll need to improve parts of the taxiway turning areas and widths, but sure this will be done when/if the runway is extended.
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Although seems some dodgy steering was the main cause here, interesting that a pilot who frequently flew 737s from BHX and now flies B777s predicted a few months back,that it was only a matter of time before a 777 went off the taxiway onto the grass at BHX.
This he says due to the fact that although the taxiways are of approved standard are on the limits of that and, as narrow in places and tight turns are difficult.
The secondary factor here appears to be that the pilot was given the wrong information by BHX ,allocated a stand and headed towards.Then when they realised it was the wrong stand ,gave him another one which now needed an extremely tight turn to negotiate which he made a mess of.
There is no doubt BHX wll need to improve parts of the taxiway turning areas and widths, but sure this will be done when/if the runway is extended.
It's also interesting to note that the 773, I believe I read elsewhere, actually has a longer wheelbase (if that's the technical term) and turning circle than the 380, so in theory it may be easier to manoeuver than the aforementioned 773.
I recall, many years ago seeing a British Midland F27 skillfully (??) taxied on to the grass opposite the old terminal - when it was still the only terminal. That didn't make BHX incapable of handling the F27, but it did make the driver look a bit of a pratt!! (No suggesting for a moment that the same could be said of the captain of the Emirates 773).
Whatever the rights and wrongs, a bit extra concrete on both taxiways and runway would never be unwelcome.
I recall, many years ago seeing a British Midland F27 skillfully (??) taxied on to the grass opposite the old terminal - when it was still the only terminal. That didn't make BHX incapable of handling the F27, but it did make the driver look a bit of a pratt!! (No suggesting for a moment that the same could be said of the captain of the Emirates 773).
Whatever the rights and wrongs, a bit extra concrete on both taxiways and runway would never be unwelcome.
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Ryanair winter
Not a total write off this winter with Faro retuning early. Now bookable
twice weekly from 14 Feb Monday and Friday with a Faro based aircraft.
Originally it was down for late March.
Also FR have added a couple of half-term extras from their new Carnaries
basis. A Saturday Tenerife 20/2 & 27/2 only and a LPA 19/02, 26/02 only.
Small but better than nothing.
Summer still sees Krakow and Porto off sale again but hopefully just
time, day or base changes (Porto only) although no sign of the recently
started Malta on sale for summer.
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twice weekly from 14 Feb Monday and Friday with a Faro based aircraft.
Originally it was down for late March.
Also FR have added a couple of half-term extras from their new Carnaries
basis. A Saturday Tenerife 20/2 & 27/2 only and a LPA 19/02, 26/02 only.
Small but better than nothing.
Summer still sees Krakow and Porto off sale again but hopefully just
time, day or base changes (Porto only) although no sign of the recently
started Malta on sale for summer.
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November Route Analysis
Again some reasonable figures for some of the business routes,
I think it has been a long time since Paris has hit 75%, which of
course is the first full month of the codeshare between AF & BE
with the associated reduction in frequencies.
Another new joint venture flight also has seen figures drop like
a stone and that is EI Cork but when the base fare rises from a
low of last winter of £20 return to what was near £80 (since
dropped again to £44 for January 2011) lets hope that this is doing
the business of making money as Idoubt very little was made last
winter on those fares.
Tehran has dropped but there is one less frequency a week
and Turkmenistan were operating seven weekly in November
until they suddenly stopped the extra flights before Christmas.
Brussels/9111(8395)/40 pax/47%
Larnaca/Paphos/4814/4229/160 pax/77%
Copenhagen/6177(5595)/69 pax/73%
Biarritz/nil(1783)
Lyon/2897(2508)/33 pax/65%
Paris CDG/25205(24846)/80 pax/75%
Dusseldorf/13832(13573)/42 pax/50%
Frankfurt/19842(18842)/62 pax/62%
Hamburg/1796(1994)/39 pax/50%
Hanover/3878(3720)/47 pax/62%
Munich/10199(9302)/65 pax/76%
Weeze/4306(4572)/135 pax/71%
Stuttgart/2604(2431)/29 pax/37%
Cork/5614(9793)/43 pax/68%
Dublin/44117(49031)/128 pax/72%
Knock/2997(3275)/93 pax/67%
Shannon/2238(4962)/40 pax/55%
Waterford/1263(1510)/45 pax/63%
Milan/1963(1638)/44 pax/56%
Malta/2162(2290)/120 pax/76%
Amsterdam/35451(33641)/92 pax/74%
Faro/5716(5716)/150 pax/76%
Alicante/15348(12469)/172 pax/90%
Girona/3391(4038)/130 pax/69%
Malaga/12967(13659)/168 pax/88%
Arrecife/7150(5770)/166/84%
Fuerteventura/1411(1358)176 pax/82%
Las Palmas/4673(3979)/137 pax/68%
Tenerife/16065(13633)/169 pax/82%
Gothenburg/2054(1454)/23 pax/55%
Zurich/10876(11131)/63 pax/63%
Istanbul/3423(3565)/86 pax/60%
Prague/3598(8751)/106 pax/74%
Kaunas/NIL(2328)
Bydgoscz/3995(nil)/154 pax/81%
Gdansk/2686(2122)/149 pax/79%
Katowice/2743(2057)/152 pax/81%
Krakow/3915(3205)/163 pax/86%
Rzesnow/2716(2227)/151 pax/80%
Bratislava/4122(3702)/159 pax/84%
Ashkhabad/8084(5864)/135 pax/75%
Tehran/2793(4180)/127 pax/67%
Dubai/40012(38094)/339 pax/78%
Islamabad/7866(8894)302 pax/82%
Newark/6913(7272)/157 pax/90%
Pete
I think it has been a long time since Paris has hit 75%, which of
course is the first full month of the codeshare between AF & BE
with the associated reduction in frequencies.
Another new joint venture flight also has seen figures drop like
a stone and that is EI Cork but when the base fare rises from a
low of last winter of £20 return to what was near £80 (since
dropped again to £44 for January 2011) lets hope that this is doing
the business of making money as Idoubt very little was made last
winter on those fares.
Tehran has dropped but there is one less frequency a week
and Turkmenistan were operating seven weekly in November
until they suddenly stopped the extra flights before Christmas.
Brussels/9111(8395)/40 pax/47%
Larnaca/Paphos/4814/4229/160 pax/77%
Copenhagen/6177(5595)/69 pax/73%
Biarritz/nil(1783)
Lyon/2897(2508)/33 pax/65%
Paris CDG/25205(24846)/80 pax/75%
Dusseldorf/13832(13573)/42 pax/50%
Frankfurt/19842(18842)/62 pax/62%
Hamburg/1796(1994)/39 pax/50%
Hanover/3878(3720)/47 pax/62%
Munich/10199(9302)/65 pax/76%
Weeze/4306(4572)/135 pax/71%
Stuttgart/2604(2431)/29 pax/37%
Cork/5614(9793)/43 pax/68%
Dublin/44117(49031)/128 pax/72%
Knock/2997(3275)/93 pax/67%
Shannon/2238(4962)/40 pax/55%
Waterford/1263(1510)/45 pax/63%
Milan/1963(1638)/44 pax/56%
Malta/2162(2290)/120 pax/76%
Amsterdam/35451(33641)/92 pax/74%
Faro/5716(5716)/150 pax/76%
Alicante/15348(12469)/172 pax/90%
Girona/3391(4038)/130 pax/69%
Malaga/12967(13659)/168 pax/88%
Arrecife/7150(5770)/166/84%
Fuerteventura/1411(1358)176 pax/82%
Las Palmas/4673(3979)/137 pax/68%
Tenerife/16065(13633)/169 pax/82%
Gothenburg/2054(1454)/23 pax/55%
Zurich/10876(11131)/63 pax/63%
Istanbul/3423(3565)/86 pax/60%
Prague/3598(8751)/106 pax/74%
Kaunas/NIL(2328)
Bydgoscz/3995(nil)/154 pax/81%
Gdansk/2686(2122)/149 pax/79%
Katowice/2743(2057)/152 pax/81%
Krakow/3915(3205)/163 pax/86%
Rzesnow/2716(2227)/151 pax/80%
Bratislava/4122(3702)/159 pax/84%
Ashkhabad/8084(5864)/135 pax/75%
Tehran/2793(4180)/127 pax/67%
Dubai/40012(38094)/339 pax/78%
Islamabad/7866(8894)302 pax/82%
Newark/6913(7272)/157 pax/90%
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Interesting article about our sister airport in Alabama, Note near the bottom the comment on the cost of rebranding.
Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Krakow
Does anyone know if FR are planning to operate to KRK after the end of March? Flights have been loaded from EMA and LPL but not BHX.....on their website BHX-KRK is shown as an aircraft in a circle with a red line through it. Does this mean canned or not yet loaded? Trouble is there are xome very cheap fares from both EMA and LPL do I wait or book? Aaargh!
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Krakow
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Krakow (and Porto for that matter) were not part of the original first release but became bookable a few weeks later. Krakow was Monday, Wednesday & Friday (like now) and Porto Monday & Friday.
The way it is shown usually means it is under review for one reason or another. Definitely not canned yet as it would be shown like Weeze. Normally it means a time change, day change or is under review due to talks with one of the airports involved.
Girona was shown like this and as soon as the agreement was signed the flights were released.
If Krakow goes it would be a shock as it is the one route Ryanair seem to pull out all the stops to operate rather than cancel. I myself was a victim to this when the Wednesday night Krakow was tech elsewhere, they nicked the Dublin inbound aircraft on Thursday morning to operate Krakow thus ruining my day out in Dublin as my flight was delayed 7 hours.
This is not the only time they have ensured that Krakow has operated compared to some routes which get cancelled at the drop of a hat.
Pete
Krakow (and Porto for that matter) were not part of the original first release but became bookable a few weeks later. Krakow was Monday, Wednesday & Friday (like now) and Porto Monday & Friday.
The way it is shown usually means it is under review for one reason or another. Definitely not canned yet as it would be shown like Weeze. Normally it means a time change, day change or is under review due to talks with one of the airports involved.
Girona was shown like this and as soon as the agreement was signed the flights were released.
If Krakow goes it would be a shock as it is the one route Ryanair seem to pull out all the stops to operate rather than cancel. I myself was a victim to this when the Wednesday night Krakow was tech elsewhere, they nicked the Dublin inbound aircraft on Thursday morning to operate Krakow thus ruining my day out in Dublin as my flight was delayed 7 hours.
This is not the only time they have ensured that Krakow has operated compared to some routes which get cancelled at the drop of a hat.
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New services at BHX
I've heard that Qatar Airways are close to announcing BHX as a destination, in 2011. Also, Emirates should go three times daily next year, ahead of Manchester for once.
Does anyone know if PIA are expanding their service soon, because right now it's only a four weekly Birmingham-Islamabad using Boeing 777-300ER's, and it's not very exciting. If only they could re-introduce a stopover flight to the United States and make the Islamabad-Birmingham flight daily because of the large PK population here in Birmingham.
I'm not fully sure if Air India should operate 5 flights per day, that's a lot, it should just be a once or twice daily to start with, because demand is absolutely there (you should have heard about the campaign and petition earlier this year).
How are Mahan Air doing? Haven't heard anything about the A340.
Does anyone know if PIA are expanding their service soon, because right now it's only a four weekly Birmingham-Islamabad using Boeing 777-300ER's, and it's not very exciting. If only they could re-introduce a stopover flight to the United States and make the Islamabad-Birmingham flight daily because of the large PK population here in Birmingham.
I'm not fully sure if Air India should operate 5 flights per day, that's a lot, it should just be a once or twice daily to start with, because demand is absolutely there (you should have heard about the campaign and petition earlier this year).
How are Mahan Air doing? Haven't heard anything about the A340.
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Thanks OP, will keep an eye on it - I must admit I was surprised to see it not bookable yet, lets hope its just a timing/schedule issue.....i'm getting a bit fed up of going up the M42 or M6 to catch flights!!
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PIA?
How are PIA doing at BHX?
Currently as I see it, it's a 4 weekly service Islamabad-Birmingham with a Boeing 777-300ER.
Have they considered a stopover/transit flight, something like this:
2x weekly Lahore-Islamabad-Birmingham-Toronto
They should consider something like this in 2011.
Currently as I see it, it's a 4 weekly service Islamabad-Birmingham with a Boeing 777-300ER.
Have they considered a stopover/transit flight, something like this:
2x weekly Lahore-Islamabad-Birmingham-Toronto
They should consider something like this in 2011.
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PIA
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Hi there, PIA passenger wise seem to be doing okay with load factors
between 75-85% depending on the month. As for yields I have no idea
at all but the way the 4th flight was added back so quickly after the Hajj
operations it must be doing reasonably well.
I am not sure if it would be wise to mess too much with the schedules as
it seems to be doing fine as it is. Of course they did run through BHX in
the past to North America for a short period but Manchester has usually
been the preferred choice for that kind of operation.
Air India of course used to operate BHX-YYZ from ATQ but loads on the
BHX-YYZ were often quite poor and unless there is a significant ex-pat
population in Toronto I would imagine PIA would be wise to steer clear of BHX-YYZ.
Pete
Hi there, PIA passenger wise seem to be doing okay with load factors
between 75-85% depending on the month. As for yields I have no idea
at all but the way the 4th flight was added back so quickly after the Hajj
operations it must be doing reasonably well.
I am not sure if it would be wise to mess too much with the schedules as
it seems to be doing fine as it is. Of course they did run through BHX in
the past to North America for a short period but Manchester has usually
been the preferred choice for that kind of operation.
Air India of course used to operate BHX-YYZ from ATQ but loads on the
BHX-YYZ were often quite poor and unless there is a significant ex-pat
population in Toronto I would imagine PIA would be wise to steer clear of BHX-YYZ.
Pete
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AA ORD-BHX relaunch
Thanks for the reply. There is something else I have been considering also. Demand for a Chicago-Birmingham flight using American Airlines seems to be quite high, though i'm a little unsure. A facebook campaign has been started to bring back that service: AA Birmingham | Facebook
It looks good at the moment but more users are needed, we want to follow the path of the 'Fly-India' campaign.
Also, is Emirates considering a third daily flight into BHX? They were considering it in 'two years time' in 2006, which would have been 2008 but nothing came of it. Also, when is Qatar starting at BHX?
It looks good at the moment but more users are needed, we want to follow the path of the 'Fly-India' campaign.
Also, is Emirates considering a third daily flight into BHX? They were considering it in 'two years time' in 2006, which would have been 2008 but nothing came of it. Also, when is Qatar starting at BHX?