BIRMINGHAM - 4
Malta & Larnaca
Can't help but think that Ryanair's appearance on the scene has prompted the departure of Air Malta at least as much as any increase in VAT.
As for Cyprus Airways, they have been progressively cutting down their BHX operation for a while now. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ryanair jump into that market too.
As for Cyprus Airways, they have been progressively cutting down their BHX operation for a while now. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ryanair jump into that market too.
Now is the time for the Marketing team to go out and sell BHX. Never has there been more of a reason to get off their behinds and show the world what the airport can do.
As they can handle a 380 then they should be showing that to the world as well. With all that investment in new stands etc they should be used and not allowed to remain empty (apart from EK and PIA that is).
Do we really want to end up as a low cost airport? I don't think so!!
As they can handle a 380 then they should be showing that to the world as well. With all that investment in new stands etc they should be used and not allowed to remain empty (apart from EK and PIA that is).
Do we really want to end up as a low cost airport? I don't think so!!
Do we really want to end up as a low cost airport? I don't think so!!
The only airports not dominated by LCCs are the home bases of the (dwindling number of) legacy carriers, normally capital cities, and even some of those are coming under pressure from LCCs.
If BHX doesn't play ball with the LCCs, however rough they play, it will end up a declining backwater.
Gatwick and Manchester have a good selection of scheduled carriers (especially long haul) as well as the low cost operators. Manchester has not given in to Ryanair's demands for ridiculously low fees and hasn't done too badly from it.
I still feel that BHX needs to sell itself a lot more to the world.
I still feel that BHX needs to sell itself a lot more to the world.
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Middle england
Posts: 539
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lost Carriers
Although unfortunate not the end of the world.
Monarch still do Cyprus and Ryanair will be doing Malta ( wonder how long for though )
Just a shifting of the pax to diffrent operators, neither Malta or Cyprus were ever going to expand from BHX and are not really hub carriers, more psuedo IT flights anyway.
I do agree though PK and his new route development cronnies do need to get their finger out PDQ.
Centre cities
Monarch still do Cyprus and Ryanair will be doing Malta ( wonder how long for though )
Just a shifting of the pax to diffrent operators, neither Malta or Cyprus were ever going to expand from BHX and are not really hub carriers, more psuedo IT flights anyway.
I do agree though PK and his new route development cronnies do need to get their finger out PDQ.
Centre cities
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: u.k.
Age: 56
Posts: 238
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: Lost Carriers
Reading the article it seems CY want to pull out of paphos rather than pulling out of BHX . As for Air malta I think it's a real shame (I flew on the KM Boeing 720's back in the early 80's from the old elmdon terminal) , I agree with CC that they were pseudo IT flights , but people STILL book IT package flights (yes I know! ) and agents obviously won't use RYR, they will put them on them to scheduled direct flights from LHR/MAN so not really a shift of pax more like a loss . For the pax number crunchers RYR will keep things going but I think they could have both co-exsisted on the same route.
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 1,062
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Shocking! Agreed, neither CY or KM were major base hub carriers and yes the flights to these destinations continue with others (ZB a credible alternative to CY, FR certainly NOT a valid repalcement for KM). But having a range of carriers must surely matter when selling the airport to other airlines? Retaining airlines is as important as getting new ones? BHX excels in neither whilst other airports despite challenging economic times add routes to their portfolio. No new carrier seems to last and apart from Armavia (who are still will they won't they start) I can't remember when a new airline started at BHX (and hasn't disappeared). Apart from a few FR Polish routes, BHX is back to where it was years ago, a selection of legacy hub carriers who charge the earth to get to European cities and with the inconvenience of changing (admittedly they are good for Long Haul connections and avoiding LHR) , a couple of decent long haul anda whole bunch of Med/Canary Islands sun routes. At least there is a new M&S opening. Its easy to blame PK as he is the figurehead but what exactly are they doing in Marketing?? And sorry I don't buy the hands tied with BA/no loco excuse anymore, that was the old guard and very little of credibility has been done (in terms of route development) since to regain the ground lost whilst Management sucked up to the worlds favourite blatantly ignoring the aggressive expansion at neighbouring airfields. Tragic.
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 1,062
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Can't help but think that Ryanair's appearance on the scene has prompted the departure of Air Malta at least as much as any increase in VAT.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tracey Island
Posts: 1,496
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
GF. Agree to certain extent, but it is PK who brought in the marketing team. Prior to that (almost two years) he declared he was taking over the role of leading marketing. I see him as having nowhere to hide as far as marketing is concerned.
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Barton Upon Humber
Posts: 1,984
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Shocking! Agreed, neither CY or KM were major base hub carriers and yes the flights to these destinations continue with others (ZB a credible alternative to CY,
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Finsbury Park
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
stealing routes
GFriendly...calm down!!
I guess flybe employed the same business model when they took over all the BA/Maersk/BRAL routes.
market forces
who did FR steal BZG, KUN, GDN, KTW, KRK, BTS, LDY, and BIQ from? I don't remember anyone else flying to those destinations before FR started on them.
And thats the whole stinking problem with FR at BHX - no backbone to start their own routes or get into new markets, just starting routes that push others off (having already spent years establishing them). FR are truly a blight on the fortunes of BHX route and airline development.
market forces
who did FR steal BZG, KUN, GDN, KTW, KRK, BTS, LDY, and BIQ from? I don't remember anyone else flying to those destinations before FR started on them.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Solihull
Age: 60
Posts: 3,326
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cyprus
It is true there is nothing in the Cyprus Mail stating BHX-LCA is stopping.
However I thinks wanna_be_there post is based on the fact you can't book BHX-LCA next summer, which is a fair assumption as Manchester and Heathrow is bookable.
I would say at the very least it is under review. Both PFO & LCA is still bookable in November but I can't remember when PFO was supposed to stop.
Pete
However I thinks wanna_be_there post is based on the fact you can't book BHX-LCA next summer, which is a fair assumption as Manchester and Heathrow is bookable.
I would say at the very least it is under review. Both PFO & LCA is still bookable in November but I can't remember when PFO was supposed to stop.
Pete
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
Age: 42
Posts: 6,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I guess flybe employed the same business model when they took over all the BA/Maersk/BRAL routes.
It is true that Ryanair are deadly competition to many alas. The latest is Palmair who might have been the "World's Best Airline" recently but can't afford to fight the competition at BOH anymore. Sadly that's business.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Solihull
Age: 60
Posts: 3,326
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Winter 2010/11
Up and running today and what a change.
Ryanair's four based aircraft did a massive five return flights and just
one other flight, a Dublin based aircraft.
BMI Baby are down to two aircraft but at least they managed six flights.
Monarch actually managed seven schedule flights although that included
Palma which won't operate next Sunday.
The Air France/flybe codeshare began with flybe operating two flights and Air France three in the form of cityjet three flights.
Turkmenistan though started their new schedule with two flights, one 757
and one 737-800.
Even Lufthansa operated more flights than Ryanair (13 sectors).
A hard winter ahead one thinks.
Ryanair are loading summer 2011 and Dublin seems to be remaining two
daily at the weekend compared to three in 2010.
On the positive side the first regular Air France 318 starts tomorrow
although the SAS MD on the morning flight is not showing in the SAS
timetable in November (seems to be December now).
Pete
Pete
Ryanair's four based aircraft did a massive five return flights and just
one other flight, a Dublin based aircraft.
BMI Baby are down to two aircraft but at least they managed six flights.
Monarch actually managed seven schedule flights although that included
Palma which won't operate next Sunday.
The Air France/flybe codeshare began with flybe operating two flights and Air France three in the form of cityjet three flights.
Turkmenistan though started their new schedule with two flights, one 757
and one 737-800.
Even Lufthansa operated more flights than Ryanair (13 sectors).
A hard winter ahead one thinks.
Ryanair are loading summer 2011 and Dublin seems to be remaining two
daily at the weekend compared to three in 2010.
On the positive side the first regular Air France 318 starts tomorrow
although the SAS MD on the morning flight is not showing in the SAS
timetable in November (seems to be December now).
Pete
Pete
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 647
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
OP Just a small clarification
Pete - re the morning SAS to CPH -Is the flight suspended until Dec or is it just no MD series airliner listed on their schedule.
Re; The others obviously only the hubs and capital business centers matter from BHX - back to the 1970/1980's. With the exception of CO/UA, EK,PK Mahan and Turkmenistan.
No real economic progress ? perhaps. PAX NOS UP but its economic profile just the same.A provincial UK Airport.
Just wait until the RESA'S are promulgated to the recommended CAA length and those carriers will reluctantly say "Bye to Brum" - Hay that's a catchphrase, any route development team jobs going ?
CAT III
Re; The others obviously only the hubs and capital business centers matter from BHX - back to the 1970/1980's. With the exception of CO/UA, EK,PK Mahan and Turkmenistan.
No real economic progress ? perhaps. PAX NOS UP but its economic profile just the same.A provincial UK Airport.
Just wait until the RESA'S are promulgated to the recommended CAA length and those carriers will reluctantly say "Bye to Brum" - Hay that's a catchphrase, any route development team jobs going ?
CAT III
Last edited by Guest 112233; 1st Nov 2010 at 09:14. Reason: ua/co
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Solihull
Age: 60
Posts: 3,326
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
SAS/Air France
CATIII-NDB
SAS is continuing but shows double daily CR9 although that does not mean too much with regular aircraft changes.
Air France 318 did not turn up but a 319 did so not a bad start and even the Turkish was an upgrade for a Monday with a 73H.
Not all gloom.
Pete
SAS is continuing but shows double daily CR9 although that does not mean too much with regular aircraft changes.
Air France 318 did not turn up but a 319 did so not a bad start and even the Turkish was an upgrade for a Monday with a 73H.
Not all gloom.
Pete