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FR at T2?
Quite a surprise if true - all those airbridges as well.
BTW no gaps in the FR schedule now although Wednesday afternoon
was showing 3 aircraft required the last time I looked but I am sure
that this will be adjusted.
Pete
BTW no gaps in the FR schedule now although Wednesday afternoon
was showing 3 aircraft required the last time I looked but I am sure
that this will be adjusted.
Pete
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Rumour has it BHX have been chasing the Orange lot for ages now...
He who hesitates as they say.
I would doubt even this announcement will stop BHX from continuing
the chase but some would say on slightly different terms now.
Ask most here in the Midlands (interested in aviation) who they would have preferred, Orange would probably have come out on top but
business is business and when you apply for a runway extension with
pax figures barely moving BHX needed to do something fast.
Add Turkish to the list (press release today in Turkish on their website),
it certainly has been a storming start to 2008.
Pete
Rumour has it BHX have been chasing the Orange lot for ages now...
He who hesitates as they say.
I would doubt even this announcement will stop BHX from continuing
the chase but some would say on slightly different terms now.
Ask most here in the Midlands (interested in aviation) who they would have preferred, Orange would probably have come out on top but
business is business and when you apply for a runway extension with
pax figures barely moving BHX needed to do something fast.
Add Turkish to the list (press release today in Turkish on their website),
it certainly has been a storming start to 2008.
Pete
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Turkish
Following a prompt from another forum it seems that Turkish are for real.
The press release was originally thought to be from a Turkish news agency but it was a direct copy from the thy.com dated today. However it does not show on the English version of the site.
As my Turkish is non existent and I could not be bothered to find an
online translation I do not know exactly what it says other than new
for 2008 are destinations are listed which include Washington, Toronto, Birmingham, Lahore amongst others.
All I can say to that if true is
Peter
The press release was originally thought to be from a Turkish news agency but it was a direct copy from the thy.com dated today. However it does not show on the English version of the site.
As my Turkish is non existent and I could not be bothered to find an
online translation I do not know exactly what it says other than new
for 2008 are destinations are listed which include Washington, Toronto, Birmingham, Lahore amongst others.
All I can say to that if true is
Peter
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Turkish
OP - yes thats certainly a storming start to 2008, a more positive vibe at BHX I have not felt in a long time. Will be great to have Turkish on board, it would seem the UK is an expanding market for them, they are also increasing their MAN flights to 11 per week this summer, along with the new BHX flights I hope there is enough demand for all, lets face it BHX has quite a history of here today gone tomorrow airlines......
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bhx space
Looking at the i.t charter flights for 2008 at bhx the merger with tcx/air shows 1 less based aircraft and no L/H flights from bhx also the fca/tom shows also 1 less based aircraft t/b/c , plus no bmi charter at weekends and from oct the xl/air malta is withdrawn from bhx.
This may be why bhx need ryanair to fill a approx 10% loss in pax in 2008.
Please feel free to correct any details i may have incorrect.
This may be why bhx need ryanair to fill a approx 10% loss in pax in 2008.
Please feel free to correct any details i may have incorrect.
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BHX Charetr Flights
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TCX/MYT have not operated their own long haul flights from Birmingham for a few years now, presumably due to payload restrictions on A330s hence the need for the runway extension. TCX will operate 3 757-200s and several foreign charter flights operate in a 'W' pattern to BHX eg SSHx2 and NAP.
TOM are basing a 767-300,2 757-200s and 2 First Choice 757-200s all fully utilised.
MON base an A321 also solely for charter work.
Looking at the XL Website (Most of KMs passengers at BHX are provided by them) all of the winter 2008/9 services have yet to be loaded it shows MAN as only having flights to FUE.
IT flights are in decline and who knows how long the traditional package holiday will exist? This is a national trend. Charter passengers only accounted for 27% of BHX passengers in 2007. So the loss of KM (which is only ever fully utilised during August Summer holidays) and 3 BMI flights will certainly not mean the loss of 1million passengers.
Oh and Turkish Airlines will soon announce BHX-IST 3 times per week.
Daza
TCX/MYT have not operated their own long haul flights from Birmingham for a few years now, presumably due to payload restrictions on A330s hence the need for the runway extension. TCX will operate 3 757-200s and several foreign charter flights operate in a 'W' pattern to BHX eg SSHx2 and NAP.
TOM are basing a 767-300,2 757-200s and 2 First Choice 757-200s all fully utilised.
MON base an A321 also solely for charter work.
Looking at the XL Website (Most of KMs passengers at BHX are provided by them) all of the winter 2008/9 services have yet to be loaded it shows MAN as only having flights to FUE.
IT flights are in decline and who knows how long the traditional package holiday will exist? This is a national trend. Charter passengers only accounted for 27% of BHX passengers in 2007. So the loss of KM (which is only ever fully utilised during August Summer holidays) and 3 BMI flights will certainly not mean the loss of 1million passengers.
Oh and Turkish Airlines will soon announce BHX-IST 3 times per week.
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Summer 2008 IT
I think Daza has summed it up pretty well.
I went online last week and certainly Thomas Cook/MyTravel have changed their schedule since before Christmas. However as Daza
has said several "W" pattern flights added such as Naples, Ibiza, SSH etc.
There is a TOM loss compared to 2008 and that is the 762 going down
to a 757 but that was always going to happen the way the LCC's were
eating into their business.
I understand EMA have lost another 757 in respect of TOM? Is it not now 2 x 738 and 1 x 757 for summer 2008 and I am sure both airports will face more cuts in 2009.
I was still predicting a passenger increase for 2008 prior to Lufthansa, Ryanair and Turkish announcements and although the 2008 IT reduction was bad it was not as drastic as first thought.
Pete
I went online last week and certainly Thomas Cook/MyTravel have changed their schedule since before Christmas. However as Daza
has said several "W" pattern flights added such as Naples, Ibiza, SSH etc.
There is a TOM loss compared to 2008 and that is the 762 going down
to a 757 but that was always going to happen the way the LCC's were
eating into their business.
I understand EMA have lost another 757 in respect of TOM? Is it not now 2 x 738 and 1 x 757 for summer 2008 and I am sure both airports will face more cuts in 2009.
I was still predicting a passenger increase for 2008 prior to Lufthansa, Ryanair and Turkish announcements and although the 2008 IT reduction was bad it was not as drastic as first thought.
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TCX and MYT both had allocations on the TOM POP and CUN, MYT also had some on the SFB, TCX did in 2006 on the Friday SFB but that hasn't operated since. Goa is on sale for next winter through TCX on TOM, but the CUN and POP were both on sale for this summer but everyone was moved to MAN so the same may happen.
This summer TCX has 2 x SSH and 1 x HRG operated by Koral Blue airlines on A320, 1 x BOJ by a MON 757 on a W from somewhere, Eurofly or AirBee on Naples, Spanair doing an Ibiza, seats on a ZB TFS and LEI, seats on FCA FNC, CFU, SKG, seats on TOM LXR, and a KJ to MIR!
Plus the 3 757 working very hard, quite a few late departures and 3 rotations per day! Hope the engineers are ready!
This summer TCX has 2 x SSH and 1 x HRG operated by Koral Blue airlines on A320, 1 x BOJ by a MON 757 on a W from somewhere, Eurofly or AirBee on Naples, Spanair doing an Ibiza, seats on a ZB TFS and LEI, seats on FCA FNC, CFU, SKG, seats on TOM LXR, and a KJ to MIR!
Plus the 3 757 working very hard, quite a few late departures and 3 rotations per day! Hope the engineers are ready!
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tom/fca merger.
At BHX we have not been informed of any aircraft reductions in terms of units as a result of our merger with FCA. Indeed, they have not yet decided how to market the two companys post AOC merger on May 1 st although, the flight deck crews will be able to fly together.
As for the 762 's at TOM, we owned some and have wanted to get rid of them for some time, finding a buyer has not been easy until Silverjet came along and their sale has got nothing to do with loco airlines taking our business and therefore the aircraft being too big.The routes i flew these aircraft on last summer were almost always full with 290 seats. Finding a buyer has been their demise from Thomson along with them being old in the tooth.This Winter they have been configured with 238 seats for longhaul.
I would n't be surprised if in the future they did reduce some capacity as a result of the merger.The airline trade is cyclical and expansion will come.
As for the 762 's at TOM, we owned some and have wanted to get rid of them for some time, finding a buyer has not been easy until Silverjet came along and their sale has got nothing to do with loco airlines taking our business and therefore the aircraft being too big.The routes i flew these aircraft on last summer were almost always full with 290 seats. Finding a buyer has been their demise from Thomson along with them being old in the tooth.This Winter they have been configured with 238 seats for longhaul.
I would n't be surprised if in the future they did reduce some capacity as a result of the merger.The airline trade is cyclical and expansion will come.
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Do Loganair (Flybes Scottish relation) have a base at Dundee? I understand Dundee Airport (& probably BHX) are looking to get the Dundee - BHX route reinstated & a Saab340 would probably be a more suitable aircraft for this route (then the ATR42).
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When I checked the XL website the drop down menus showed only one destination ex MAN the XL website often seems to have problems
. It looks as if XL are massivly reducing their flying programme across the UK next winter
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My point was that KM does very little in the winter ex BHX. Two of its flights are operated as KM scheduled services KM172/3 (one of which it will operate during the summer 08.) With the exception of ACE and TFS the remainder have only short operating periods ie FNC and TCX have an Egypian Airline operating Sharm el Sheik and Hurgada this year, which will replace KM.
TOM are changing their focus at BHX adding new medium and long-haul routes next winter has some really exciting destinations.
Goa, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Cape Verde and 4 destinations in Egypt some of which will utilise a based First Choice 757. Long haul charters are the future for now, out of reach of Low fares airlines.
At BHX there are a mix of airlines legacy,charter,low fares and now FR. BHX isn't reliant on one two or even three airlines for growth. BHX is certainly the first of the major business airports (LHR,BHX,MAN,GLA) to get a FR base it seems to have some people in a bit of a tizz. Airports certainly shouldn't be looking at the charter sector for growth anytime soon.
Despite all of the above an Airport needs to make money and an over reliance on ultra low fares doesn't mean money for airports and development.
Daza
. It looks as if XL are massivly reducing their flying programme across the UK next winter.My point was that KM does very little in the winter ex BHX. Two of its flights are operated as KM scheduled services KM172/3 (one of which it will operate during the summer 08.) With the exception of ACE and TFS the remainder have only short operating periods ie FNC and TCX have an Egypian Airline operating Sharm el Sheik and Hurgada this year, which will replace KM.
TOM are changing their focus at BHX adding new medium and long-haul routes next winter has some really exciting destinations.
Goa, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Cape Verde and 4 destinations in Egypt some of which will utilise a based First Choice 757. Long haul charters are the future for now, out of reach of Low fares airlines.
At BHX there are a mix of airlines legacy,charter,low fares and now FR. BHX isn't reliant on one two or even three airlines for growth. BHX is certainly the first of the major business airports (LHR,BHX,MAN,GLA) to get a FR base it seems to have some people in a bit of a tizz. Airports certainly shouldn't be looking at the charter sector for growth anytime soon.
Despite all of the above an Airport needs to make money and an over reliance on ultra low fares doesn't mean money for airports and development.
Daza
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I think that this FR base is a bit of sitting on the hedge as FR and STN are not on best of terms so they could and probably will give STN a very quick kick to say you raise the charges and this is what we will do, BHX is close enough to hurt STN as a large chunk of its pax are from the midlands
A couple of interesting things to watch in the near future are STN pax figures
and also if FR lower the number of flights from STN for the summer over last year
Ian
A couple of interesting things to watch in the near future are STN pax figures
and also if FR lower the number of flights from STN for the summer over last year
Ian
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BHX instead of STN
Why would FR try BHX to hurt STN?
They could have chosen many airports closer to STN to cause problems. Norwich, Cambridge, Southend and Luton are all nearer and share much more of STN airports catchment area. I would have thought that this base would have more of an effect on LUT down the M1.Have any of you ever travelled from the West Midlands to STN along the awful A14??
you don't do it twice.
Could it be to all the EMA and MAN fans on here that FR saw an opportunity for growth at BHX in the underserved West Midlands??????
BHX Fan
They could have chosen many airports closer to STN to cause problems. Norwich, Cambridge, Southend and Luton are all nearer and share much more of STN airports catchment area. I would have thought that this base would have more of an effect on LUT down the M1.Have any of you ever travelled from the West Midlands to STN along the awful A14??
you don't do it twice.Could it be to all the EMA and MAN fans on here that FR saw an opportunity for growth at BHX in the underserved West Midlands??????
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