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Whoosh Figures
an average of 17 may not be enough to save this route, heard rumours that 20 was the break even figure & it only gets that on certain days, may be that he will have to drop one of the flights on certain days (Weds for sure where single fig's are the norm). Winter will be the tester for Aden for sure.
If anyone is interested, the Saudi Princes private A340 is operating back into BHX tonight (unknown however how many of his wives on board this time), it will remain on stand 86 for the rest of the week. Rumour has it that it has its own keypad activated alarm system? thats why you don't see any security around the aircraft.
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If anyone is interested, the Saudi Princes private A340 is operating back into BHX tonight (unknown however how many of his wives on board this time), it will remain on stand 86 for the rest of the week. Rumour has it that it has its own keypad activated alarm system? thats why you don't see any security around the aircraft.
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Appears as if CGN will be chopped for good at the end of the winter season. TUIFly's summer 08 will go on sale tomorrow, but as it appears, BHX will no longer feature in their schedules.
Augsburg, Duo, Germanwings and now TUIFly - four have tried it in the past 10 years with no success.
Augsburg, Duo, Germanwings and now TUIFly - four have tried it in the past 10 years with no success.
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Cgn/sn/340
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Go back a bit further and add Maersk Fk50's and BA 1-11's and didn't
Lufthansa use a FK50 or and I am I just thinking of the Augsburg Dash?
As I have monitored the CAA stats at BHX for over 20 years in various
forms I don't think any route can claim to be as consistently bad for loads
as Cologne. I assume at some point yields must have been okay but saying that I an unsure which airline has lasted the longest on the route.
Certainly can't knock HLX too much, as they have give it a year with low fares and the only questionable aspect was the times (not business friendly at all).
Daza
I notice from another forum that two SN's were logged this lunch-time and one was a 737. I assume that at least one was tech.
legalize
Can't tell you his name as I have not been paying attention too much but allegedly he lives south of BHX but not too close (well one of his properties) and there are other aspects as well such as schools.
Pete
Go back a bit further and add Maersk Fk50's and BA 1-11's and didn't
Lufthansa use a FK50 or and I am I just thinking of the Augsburg Dash?
As I have monitored the CAA stats at BHX for over 20 years in various
forms I don't think any route can claim to be as consistently bad for loads
as Cologne. I assume at some point yields must have been okay but saying that I an unsure which airline has lasted the longest on the route.
Certainly can't knock HLX too much, as they have give it a year with low fares and the only questionable aspect was the times (not business friendly at all).
Daza
I notice from another forum that two SN's were logged this lunch-time and one was a 737. I assume that at least one was tech.
legalize
Can't tell you his name as I have not been paying attention too much but allegedly he lives south of BHX but not too close (well one of his properties) and there are other aspects as well such as schools.
Pete
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You are right about LH etc. They used to serve BHX as part of the failed Euro-Hub at CGN in the early 1990s. Not sure about Birmingham European - did they ever serve CGN (they were DUS regulars, weren't they?).
The X3 loads to CGN are not exactly terrible. The average this year has been 77 pax - which is hardly 50% in a B737, but would make it a good route for a 100seater.
The X3 loads to CGN are not exactly terrible. The average this year has been 77 pax - which is hardly 50% in a B737, but would make it a good route for a 100seater.
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Another month, another airline and route drops off the radar. So farewell Cologne (again!) not great news but no real surprise. I am sure this route would have done better with a more sociable flight time and perhaps the option to do a day return - the same goes for Billund which has also recently disappeared. In the words of the late great Freddie Mercury "and another one bites and another one bites and another one bites the dust" Perhaps this rock epic could be used as the new BHX corporate anthem or played on the SkyRail??
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I guess this is good news for EMA, since easyJet fly to cologne, at a time when Ryanair has just added yet another new route from EMA. Seems to be a real lack of flights to Germany, lets not forget Germany is our biggest trading partner in Europe 
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No, for the winter BHX-CGN is five times weekly (X26). Summer lfights 08 are now bookable and indeed BHX not available after 31MAR08.
As for Easyjet's EMA route to CGN, there have been rumours here in Germany that it might be chopped as well as it is only available until early January 08.
As for Easyjet's EMA route to CGN, there have been rumours here in Germany that it might be chopped as well as it is only available until early January 08.
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The EasyJet CGN flight is being dropped to allow them to start PMI, initially the frequencies are going to be reduced before the route is cut altogether. Not sure if anybody is planning any replacement service to that part of Germany, though surely the flybe and Lufthansa DUS flights will see a small surge in bookings.
Apparently baby's new routes next summer might be more to eastern europe than other med destinations from BHX - just a hot tip from Tiny Town.
Apparently baby's new routes next summer might be more to eastern europe than other med destinations from BHX - just a hot tip from Tiny Town.
Bye Bye TUIFLY
As a regular on the X3 (HLX) route, I'm terribly disappointed but not at all surprised. I never flew on a flight more than half full and that included the odd Friday flight. They tried a little longer than Germanwings but the loads just never improved. I'm going to miss them though. I guess it's back to either BEE or CLH from DUS, or DAT (Brussels Airlines) from BRU. All a lot more expensive than HLX 
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Wizz @ CVT
Didn't think it would be long before new routes announced from CVT, just as they have done from DSA - apparently load factors very high on Katowice from CVT. What is it about BHX and Poland (or indeed most other Eastern European nations) that just doesn't connect. Lets hope Baby indeed come to the rescue or else BHX will continue to move yet further into the shadows
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sounds like some people aren't happy about cvt and their expansion to poland!!. dont think bhx will be to upset about cvt and wizz air, considering tom has moved some flights from cvt to bhx. regarding baby coming to the rescue cant see it working otherwise wizz would of started from bhx and not cvt.. perhaps not enough polish people in birmingham as there is in coventry, hence wizz flying a320's into cvt and not bhx.
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Wizz expansion is welcome for Coventry, however that is better dealt with one thinks on the Coventry thread.
You might find that WIZZ like to fly from airports for next to nothing hence the absence from BHX.
As to the Polish in Birmingham only have to visit the city or any service idustry to see that there are a great number in the area.
I think that on the regional Polish flights that the cost of the ticket is everything.
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You might find that WIZZ like to fly from airports for next to nothing hence the absence from BHX.
As to the Polish in Birmingham only have to visit the city or any service idustry to see that there are a great number in the area.
I think that on the regional Polish flights that the cost of the ticket is everything.
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Whizz is only being driven by the very large Polish community in Coventry. Even before the recent influx Coventry had strong ties to Poland. I don't think it's any threat to Birmingham.
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Info on Charter?
Just a "fishing trip" really folks to see if anybody has any info at all on an ad-hoc charter (possibly on a freight a/c) into either BHX or CVT this afternoon with parts on board for a car manufacturer not a million miles from BHX.
The charter would have probably only been arranged this morning / lunch time.
I am lead to believe that as of 1300 local the a/c would be approx 30 minutes into its flight and the eta is 1430/1500; and I would guess it would come from Eastern Europe somewhere. Subsequent to its arrival I would imagine a big hurry to get the parts to destination.
I appreciate I am very vague on details but this is all I have. Would be interested in a/c details / owner, departure a/d, arrival a/d, charter firm etc.
Only interested for nosey reasons really - no commercial interest. Many thanks in advance.
HC.
The charter would have probably only been arranged this morning / lunch time.
I am lead to believe that as of 1300 local the a/c would be approx 30 minutes into its flight and the eta is 1430/1500; and I would guess it would come from Eastern Europe somewhere. Subsequent to its arrival I would imagine a big hurry to get the parts to destination.
I appreciate I am very vague on details but this is all I have. Would be interested in a/c details / owner, departure a/d, arrival a/d, charter firm etc.
Only interested for nosey reasons really - no commercial interest. Many thanks in advance.
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Charter, oh no not today!!!!
Nothing into bhx today as regards freighters OR AD-HOC movements apart from the OU flight from Split, there will be the fedex ATR later to CDG but nothing else of interest. May have gone into CVT or EMA but not BHX.
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