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Interesting Pete
as 45000 for MAN operating on aircraft that carry 427 only leaves 21 seats spare
and I have heard quite a few Manchester pax have been roaded down to BHX
as flights have been full and mainly business class at that.
Ian
as 45000 for MAN operating on aircraft that carry 427 only leaves 21 seats spare
and I have heard quite a few Manchester pax have been roaded down to BHX
as flights have been full and mainly business class at that.
Ian
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Ian
I read that too and it might be true in some instances and I certainly have nothing to prove it otherwise. However EK37 on 19 occasions was a 442
seater rather than the usual 364 config. The EK19 on 14 of those dates
was a 427 seat aircraft.
You would think (subject to the inbound BHX load) that they would have
put the 442 seat plane on Manchester rather than BHX if they were transferring pax down on a regular basis. I know it is not always as simple as that on every occasion but it really depends on what kind of figures we are talking about.
EK17 was a 442 seat aircraft on 24 out of 25 flights showing on acarsd in February and there were a few on EK19 as well. Still about 93% load factor.
Pete
I read that too and it might be true in some instances and I certainly have nothing to prove it otherwise. However EK37 on 19 occasions was a 442
seater rather than the usual 364 config. The EK19 on 14 of those dates
was a 427 seat aircraft.
You would think (subject to the inbound BHX load) that they would have
put the 442 seat plane on Manchester rather than BHX if they were transferring pax down on a regular basis. I know it is not always as simple as that on every occasion but it really depends on what kind of figures we are talking about.
EK17 was a 442 seat aircraft on 24 out of 25 flights showing on acarsd in February and there were a few on EK19 as well. Still about 93% load factor.
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Pete, I think that as BHX is flavour of the year with Emirates it helps our cause.
Shame about the figures generally, Seems we are all suffering with the economic failures thrust upon us. (No pay rise..
).
It looks like the general forecast going forward is a slight improvement. Fingers crossed, it can't last forever....
Shame about the figures generally, Seems we are all suffering with the economic failures thrust upon us. (No pay rise..
). It looks like the general forecast going forward is a slight improvement. Fingers crossed, it can't last forever....
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A380's a shoe in at MAN from Spetember is the popular rumour, just to open a debate what would you prefer, an A380 daily plus the second daily 777, or a 3rd daily service with a 777 or 330 and no A380?
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The suggestion for MAN is that in addition to the A380 starting up, the evening service is slanted to become a 3-class 777 which would appear to suggest they are just trying to max out yield from MAN? However, not too sure if that means that there may not be any increase in seating capacity for MAN unless they go for a 3rd service using an A330 as it appears easier to get more passengers paying for economy and having some cargo capability to make up for the A380s "problems". I imagine such a scenario will exist for BHX shortly.
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Will be intersting to see what effect the proposed upgrades at MAN have on BHX loads for EK. I travelled twice this year so far from BHX on EK, both flights packed out on 773ER in Business and Economy. Interestingly, I sat next to MAN pax on both flights, not that they had booked MAN and been bussed doen but had booked BHX as it was much cheaper (on my last flight in March the guy said BHX-DXB-BKK was 150GBP cheaper than MAN-DXB-BKK)
As for BHX pax figures nothing unexpected there. more steps backwards before going forwards. 7th biggest airport this year me thinks as EDI have now overtaken. Will that get a press release???
As for BHX pax figures nothing unexpected there. more steps backwards before going forwards. 7th biggest airport this year me thinks as EDI have now overtaken. Will that get a press release???
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EK & BHX pax
Great news for Manchester then (unless you want a cheap fare) if EK
are more expensive and filling the flights. That February load factor was hot.
BHX averaged 375 pax per flight at 88% (yes I went through each day to
check the config).
The February pax figures were actually quite good believe it or not and I
am sure BHX will be pushing double digit decreases this summer unless
something happens soon.
There are the usual horror figures such as Stuttgart & Milan but at least
late fares tend to hold up on these flights . Dusseldorf actually showed a
15% increase with one less flight but CR7/CR9's LH rather than CR2's,
Hanover was +29% and Lyon was up 24%
I will post all the schedule flights with averages in the next few days.
The other aspect I have noticed but whether it has affected the bottom
line (you would hope so) is that base fares were more expensive on some
airlines during February. Combined with less frequency than 2009 on some
routes and improving load factors, hopefully it has not been as traumatic compared to previous months with the weather etc.
Pete
are more expensive and filling the flights. That February load factor was hot.
BHX averaged 375 pax per flight at 88% (yes I went through each day to
check the config).
The February pax figures were actually quite good believe it or not and I
am sure BHX will be pushing double digit decreases this summer unless
something happens soon.
There are the usual horror figures such as Stuttgart & Milan but at least
late fares tend to hold up on these flights . Dusseldorf actually showed a
15% increase with one less flight but CR7/CR9's LH rather than CR2's,
Hanover was +29% and Lyon was up 24%
I will post all the schedule flights with averages in the next few days.
The other aspect I have noticed but whether it has affected the bottom
line (you would hope so) is that base fares were more expensive on some
airlines during February. Combined with less frequency than 2009 on some
routes and improving load factors, hopefully it has not been as traumatic compared to previous months with the weather etc.
Pete
Emirates lounge
Nice to see that the purpose built Emirates lounge at BHX is now open, with enough capacity for more than 100 pax, so plenty of room for expansion of flights from BHX for them, i assume a 2 class A380 has about 100 seats in biz class ?
With the pax figures that have been mentioned recently on the DXB route i wonder if there will be further expansion from BHX for EK before other airlines step in ..
With the pax figures that have been mentioned recently on the DXB route i wonder if there will be further expansion from BHX for EK before other airlines step in ..
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Just to add to S78's post
Barcelona starts Thursday 20/05/10 by the look of it
Dep BHX Mon 15.05
Dep BHX Tue 20.55
Dep BHX Thu 20.55
Dep BHX Fri 23.25
Madrid appears to start Saturday 22/5
Dep BHX Tu/Th/Sat 09.00.
I wonder if LH is behind this and will the flights be sold on baby and BMI's site?
Baby Barcelona ends 7/6/2010
Pete
Barcelona starts Thursday 20/05/10 by the look of it
Dep BHX Mon 15.05
Dep BHX Tue 20.55
Dep BHX Thu 20.55
Dep BHX Fri 23.25
Madrid appears to start Saturday 22/5
Dep BHX Tu/Th/Sat 09.00.
I wonder if LH is behind this and will the flights be sold on baby and BMI's site?
Baby Barcelona ends 7/6/2010
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I can't see LH being behind this move. Firstly LH have no stake in Spanair - they are just another Star Alliance partner. And SAS sold most of their stake so their influence is limited
Secondly Spanair are launching a number of new routes this summer to various European destinations, so new UK routes could be part of this wider expansion
I'm guessing a bmi codeshare could be expected though
Secondly Spanair are launching a number of new routes this summer to various European destinations, so new UK routes could be part of this wider expansion
I'm guessing a bmi codeshare could be expected though
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Announcement from BHX:
Spanair Announces Birmingham as First UK Scheduled launch Airport
17 March 2010
Spanair has chosen Birmingham Airport to launch its first scheduled operation in the UK with new flights to Barcelona and Madrid starting in May. Barcelona will be served four times per week each Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday starting on 20th May and Madrid will operate three times a week each Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday from the 25th May 2010.
Spanair, a member of the Star Alliance network, will operate an Airbus A320 aircraft with 168 seats, which will be split into Business and Economy cabins on board. Timings have been scheduled to meet business and leisure travellers’ needs and both destinations will be served all year round.
Although Madrid previously operated from Birmingham until October 2008 it is currently unavailable from the Midlands region. Moreover, the current Barcelona service offered by bmibaby from Birmingham is planned to cease on the 7th June so travellers will not be left short of flights to this popular destination.
Paul Kehoe, Birmingham Airport’s CEO, said, “From May we will provide the only direct Madrid service south of Liverpool and north of Watford Gap and with the excellent road and rail access to Birmingham it’s a no brainer for people wanting to reach Spain’s capital city from this stretch of the country. We are obviously delighted too with the news that Barcelona will continue to be available for our passengers once the current service stops in June.
“Although it’s not clear if news like this is the early signs of economic recovering, it certainly demonstrates that the industry has confidence in Birmingham so we are delighted to have been chosen as the first airport in the UK where Spanair will start operating scheduled flights. We believe that once people experience the benefits of travelling from central England’s global gateway they with continue to choose Birmingham for a hassle free air travel experience, benefitting from the 140 plus destinations already available worldwide. We welcome the carrier to the Midlands and I encourage the region to support both routes to help show other airlines to show that the Heart of England is a safe bet for expanding their future operations.”
Spanair CEO Mike Szucs commented: “With the introduction of these new routes from Birmingham, Spanair is delighted to create a year-round gateway to Spain from the Heart of England. Via our hubs in Barcelona and Madrid, passengers will enjoy connections to a range of Spanish peninsula cities and Islands, which they could otherwise only reach during the peak season with low cost carriers and charter flights. With competitive fares, a free baggage allowance and allocated seating, Spanair offers tremendous value to leisure travellers, while allowing business travellers to fly direct to Spain’s leading business centres in Barcelona and Madrid without enduring the hassle of London’s airports or connecting flights. We are very much looking forward to filling the gap left by low cost and full service airlines on these important routes for the Midlands region.”
Spanair will also offer onward flights from Barcelona and Madrid across its scheduled network in mainland Spain, the Balearics and Canaries Islands as well as North Africa, increasing the 300 plus one-stop flights currently available from Birmingham.
Spanair has currently 16 codeshare agreements with Air Canada, airBaltic, Air Europa, Austrian Airlines, Brussels Airlines, EgyptAir, EstonianAir, LOT Polish Airlines, Lufthansa, SAS, SWISS, TAP Portugal, THAI, Turkish Airlines, Singapore Airlines and US Airways. The airline has previously operated charter flights from Birmingham.
Lead in fares start from £69 return including taxes and charges (can vary with changing exchange rates) and can be booked via www.spanair.com
17 March 2010
Spanair has chosen Birmingham Airport to launch its first scheduled operation in the UK with new flights to Barcelona and Madrid starting in May. Barcelona will be served four times per week each Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday starting on 20th May and Madrid will operate three times a week each Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday from the 25th May 2010.
Spanair, a member of the Star Alliance network, will operate an Airbus A320 aircraft with 168 seats, which will be split into Business and Economy cabins on board. Timings have been scheduled to meet business and leisure travellers’ needs and both destinations will be served all year round.
Although Madrid previously operated from Birmingham until October 2008 it is currently unavailable from the Midlands region. Moreover, the current Barcelona service offered by bmibaby from Birmingham is planned to cease on the 7th June so travellers will not be left short of flights to this popular destination.
Paul Kehoe, Birmingham Airport’s CEO, said, “From May we will provide the only direct Madrid service south of Liverpool and north of Watford Gap and with the excellent road and rail access to Birmingham it’s a no brainer for people wanting to reach Spain’s capital city from this stretch of the country. We are obviously delighted too with the news that Barcelona will continue to be available for our passengers once the current service stops in June.
“Although it’s not clear if news like this is the early signs of economic recovering, it certainly demonstrates that the industry has confidence in Birmingham so we are delighted to have been chosen as the first airport in the UK where Spanair will start operating scheduled flights. We believe that once people experience the benefits of travelling from central England’s global gateway they with continue to choose Birmingham for a hassle free air travel experience, benefitting from the 140 plus destinations already available worldwide. We welcome the carrier to the Midlands and I encourage the region to support both routes to help show other airlines to show that the Heart of England is a safe bet for expanding their future operations.”
Spanair CEO Mike Szucs commented: “With the introduction of these new routes from Birmingham, Spanair is delighted to create a year-round gateway to Spain from the Heart of England. Via our hubs in Barcelona and Madrid, passengers will enjoy connections to a range of Spanish peninsula cities and Islands, which they could otherwise only reach during the peak season with low cost carriers and charter flights. With competitive fares, a free baggage allowance and allocated seating, Spanair offers tremendous value to leisure travellers, while allowing business travellers to fly direct to Spain’s leading business centres in Barcelona and Madrid without enduring the hassle of London’s airports or connecting flights. We are very much looking forward to filling the gap left by low cost and full service airlines on these important routes for the Midlands region.”
Spanair will also offer onward flights from Barcelona and Madrid across its scheduled network in mainland Spain, the Balearics and Canaries Islands as well as North Africa, increasing the 300 plus one-stop flights currently available from Birmingham.
Spanair has currently 16 codeshare agreements with Air Canada, airBaltic, Air Europa, Austrian Airlines, Brussels Airlines, EgyptAir, EstonianAir, LOT Polish Airlines, Lufthansa, SAS, SWISS, TAP Portugal, THAI, Turkish Airlines, Singapore Airlines and US Airways. The airline has previously operated charter flights from Birmingham.
Lead in fares start from £69 return including taxes and charges (can vary with changing exchange rates) and can be booked via www.spanair.com
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Possible new India route.....
Yesterday at approximately 1630, promotional photos were being taken. There was dhol players in the full traditional garments, along with people from the airport.
Are these promo photos for a new India route. Can anybody shed any light?
Are these promo photos for a new India route. Can anybody shed any light?
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February route analysis
Sources
Passenger figures: CAA
average pax: my estimates using acarsd & a local bhx blog
Load factors: as above plus airline sites
2009 in brackets.
Stuttgart is still worrying, Frankfurt still showing little signs of
improving (no Hahn either) and long-haul again very good.
I have taken some rotations off due diversions but I was unsure
of all the weather cancellations.
BRUSSELS 7435 (7363)/33 PAX/39%
COPENHAGEN 5579 (5457)/66 PAX/63%
BIARRITZ 1820 (1558)/114 PAX/60%
CHAMBERY 1281 (756)/53 PAX/68%
GRENOBLE 2132 (2366)/89 PAX/53%
LYON 2484 (2045)/28 PAX/59%
NICE 773 (963)/97 PAX/69%
PARIS 22856 (23694)/64 PAX/73%
DUSSELDORF 11276 (9816)/38 PAX/49%
FRANKFURT 16422 (17364)/52 PAX/55%
HAMBURG 1527 (1216)/38 PAX/49%
HANOVER 2953 (2187)/48 PAX/61%
MUNICH 8365 (10068)/55 PAX/62%
WEEZE 4285 (4988)/134 PAX/71%
STUTTGART 2064 (2503)/22 PAX/28%
CORK 7725 (8718)/90 PAX/52%
DUBLIN 43220 (48996)/131 PAX/71%
KNOCK 2307 (2428)/77 PAX/55%
SHANNON 4559 (7715)/142 PAX/75%
WATERFORD 1120 (1247) 35 PAX/53%
MILAN MXP 1903 (2174) 48 PAX/40%
PISA 2068 (2533) 129 PAX/68%
MALTA 2139 (2739) 134 PAX/82%
AMSTERDAM 32385 (32224)/87 PAX/62%
FARO 4431 (5774)/158 PAX/85%
ALICANTE 10798 (13707)/142 PAX/77%
GIRONA 4234 (2982)/132 PAX/70%
MALAGA 11165 (15647)/143/77%
MURCIA 3383 (3622)/147 PAX/78%
ARRECIFE 5595 (2557)/187 PAX/90%
FUERTEVENTURA 1137 (0)/142 PAX/66%
LAS PALMAS 3526 (0)/147 PAX/75%
TENERIFE 14287 (9193)/155 PAX/74%
GOTHENBERG 1076 (930) 23 PAX/63%
GENEVA 12512 (13794)/111 PAX/72%
ZURICH 11401 (10439)/69 PAX/69%
ISTANBUL 2580 (2151)/68 PAX/43%
PRAGUE 7156 8607)/128 PAX/78%
KAUNAS 2215 (2253)/138 PAX/73%
GDANSK 2428 (2987)/151 PAX/80%
KATOWICE 2245 (2967)/140 PAX/74%
KRAKOW 3308 (3148) 138 PAX/73%
RSEZNOW 2097 (2379)/140 PAX/74%
BRATISLAVA 3770 (0)/157 PAX/83%
ASHKHABAD 4845 (3594)/151 PAX/80%
TEHRAN 5078 (O)/158 PAX/85%
DUBAI 42011 ()+22%/375 PAX/88%
ISLAMABAD 8945 (6960)/298 PAX/78%
NEWARK 6234 (6770) 136 PAX/77%
Pete
Passenger figures: CAA
average pax: my estimates using acarsd & a local bhx blog
Load factors: as above plus airline sites
2009 in brackets.
Stuttgart is still worrying, Frankfurt still showing little signs of
improving (no Hahn either) and long-haul again very good.
I have taken some rotations off due diversions but I was unsure
of all the weather cancellations.
BRUSSELS 7435 (7363)/33 PAX/39%
COPENHAGEN 5579 (5457)/66 PAX/63%
BIARRITZ 1820 (1558)/114 PAX/60%
CHAMBERY 1281 (756)/53 PAX/68%
GRENOBLE 2132 (2366)/89 PAX/53%
LYON 2484 (2045)/28 PAX/59%
NICE 773 (963)/97 PAX/69%
PARIS 22856 (23694)/64 PAX/73%
DUSSELDORF 11276 (9816)/38 PAX/49%
FRANKFURT 16422 (17364)/52 PAX/55%
HAMBURG 1527 (1216)/38 PAX/49%
HANOVER 2953 (2187)/48 PAX/61%
MUNICH 8365 (10068)/55 PAX/62%
WEEZE 4285 (4988)/134 PAX/71%
STUTTGART 2064 (2503)/22 PAX/28%
CORK 7725 (8718)/90 PAX/52%
DUBLIN 43220 (48996)/131 PAX/71%
KNOCK 2307 (2428)/77 PAX/55%
SHANNON 4559 (7715)/142 PAX/75%
WATERFORD 1120 (1247) 35 PAX/53%
MILAN MXP 1903 (2174) 48 PAX/40%
PISA 2068 (2533) 129 PAX/68%
MALTA 2139 (2739) 134 PAX/82%
AMSTERDAM 32385 (32224)/87 PAX/62%
FARO 4431 (5774)/158 PAX/85%
ALICANTE 10798 (13707)/142 PAX/77%
GIRONA 4234 (2982)/132 PAX/70%
MALAGA 11165 (15647)/143/77%
MURCIA 3383 (3622)/147 PAX/78%
ARRECIFE 5595 (2557)/187 PAX/90%
FUERTEVENTURA 1137 (0)/142 PAX/66%
LAS PALMAS 3526 (0)/147 PAX/75%
TENERIFE 14287 (9193)/155 PAX/74%
GOTHENBERG 1076 (930) 23 PAX/63%
GENEVA 12512 (13794)/111 PAX/72%
ZURICH 11401 (10439)/69 PAX/69%
ISTANBUL 2580 (2151)/68 PAX/43%
PRAGUE 7156 8607)/128 PAX/78%
KAUNAS 2215 (2253)/138 PAX/73%
GDANSK 2428 (2987)/151 PAX/80%
KATOWICE 2245 (2967)/140 PAX/74%
KRAKOW 3308 (3148) 138 PAX/73%
RSEZNOW 2097 (2379)/140 PAX/74%
BRATISLAVA 3770 (0)/157 PAX/83%
ASHKHABAD 4845 (3594)/151 PAX/80%
TEHRAN 5078 (O)/158 PAX/85%
DUBAI 42011 ()+22%/375 PAX/88%
ISLAMABAD 8945 (6960)/298 PAX/78%
NEWARK 6234 (6770) 136 PAX/77%
Pete