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Obviously security were taken up with the vital task of ensuring that the plastic bags the crews use are regulation size and type and that no one was foolish enough to consider going through the detector with both their belt AND watch on at the same time.
God forbid!
God forbid!
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OK. I'll not disagree with you there....I don't think though that they can come up with anything 100% secure. Also, as always, the cost/risk calculation will dictate, therefore, not giving what you probably see as needed...
I know; why not build a 10ft high and 10ft thick concrete wall all around the perimeter, and rename the airport Stalag Elmdon?
We also allegedly live in a free country, and one of the pay-offs of living in such a "free" environment, is that security such as you have tongue in cheek suggested is just unacceptable. Anyway, if such a defence was errected then the eejits who attached the WMP helicopter would just have found any less well protected target to go after.
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nothing can ever be 100% secure, however I think that we can improve the situation by increasing police numbers and having suitable airport security staff, which sadly BHX does not and I will wager a guess we are no different from other airports
Fencing will not stop but deter however beefing up the fences and maybe installing hardware that is available that will notify when an incursion takes place should be considered. I know it will cost but think of the cost should something happen and the passengers decide to fly from another airport where they rightly or wrongly consider is safer!
Fencing will not stop but deter however beefing up the fences and maybe installing hardware that is available that will notify when an incursion takes place should be considered. I know it will cost but think of the cost should something happen and the passengers decide to fly from another airport where they rightly or wrongly consider is safer!
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May Passenger figures
Over 5% down, reported on another forum as follows: -
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"During May, Birmingham International Airport handled 831,738
travelers through its two terminals, including 611,780 scheduled
passengers and 219,958 charter passengers"
End of quote.
May 2008 Charter was 255k of which about 10-12k would have
been from the Air Malta based unit.
Schedules were down but only just and I believe that there were
just a few transits in 2009 compared to nearly 4000 last May.
I thought the loss would have been a bit lower but those charter
figures did the main damage.
Dubai showed another increase this time 9% although the average
pax per flight was well down on previous months as we are now
in the low season.
Pete
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"During May, Birmingham International Airport handled 831,738
travelers through its two terminals, including 611,780 scheduled
passengers and 219,958 charter passengers"
End of quote.
May 2008 Charter was 255k of which about 10-12k would have
been from the Air Malta based unit.
Schedules were down but only just and I believe that there were
just a few transits in 2009 compared to nearly 4000 last May.
I thought the loss would have been a bit lower but those charter
figures did the main damage.
Dubai showed another increase this time 9% although the average
pax per flight was well down on previous months as we are now
in the low season.
Pete
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Thanks Call100,
Although the 'graphics' are simply the smilies provided by this site!
I do think they have a point because they illustrate how shockingly amazing it is that you think the hangar would be still going up regardless of recent events. Incase you haven't noticed there isn't a helicopter to go in it anymore.
I take it your source hasn't backed up your previous statements.
Thanks for the offer of a tour around the airfield, however I don't need one arranged thanks. I have this very day walked round myself, (inside the fence).
Funny that I didn't see an airfield security vehicle/person, let alone be stopped by one!
Although the 'graphics' are simply the smilies provided by this site!
I do think they have a point because they illustrate how shockingly amazing it is that you think the hangar would be still going up regardless of recent events. Incase you haven't noticed there isn't a helicopter to go in it anymore.
I take it your source hasn't backed up your previous statements.
Thanks for the offer of a tour around the airfield, however I don't need one arranged thanks. I have this very day walked round myself, (inside the fence).
Funny that I didn't see an airfield security vehicle/person, let alone be stopped by one!
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Thanks Call100,
Although the 'graphics' are simply the smilies provided by this site!
I do think they have a point because they illustrate how shockingly amazing it is that you think the hangar would be still going up regardless of recent events. Incase you haven't noticed there isn't a helicopter to go in it anymore.
I take it your source hasn't backed up your previous statements.
Thanks for the offer of a tour around the airfield, however I don't need one arranged thanks. I have this very day walked round myself, (inside the fence).
Funny that I didn't see an airfield security vehicle/person, let alone be stopped by one!
Although the 'graphics' are simply the smilies provided by this site!
I do think they have a point because they illustrate how shockingly amazing it is that you think the hangar would be still going up regardless of recent events. Incase you haven't noticed there isn't a helicopter to go in it anymore.
I take it your source hasn't backed up your previous statements.
Thanks for the offer of a tour around the airfield, however I don't need one arranged thanks. I have this very day walked round myself, (inside the fence).
Funny that I didn't see an airfield security vehicle/person, let alone be stopped by one!
How long did it take you to walk the complete fence line? Or, did you just walk a bit of it? If you walked the entire fence line then you will have seen the point I was making. Scary isn't it? I don't think we necessarily disagree on this just don't see eye to eye maybe on the solution??
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Call100;
Source still no good then
I understand you can't make it 100% secure, but in my hours walkabout, 5% would have done!
Source still no good then
I understand you can't make it 100% secure, but in my hours walkabout, 5% would have done!
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Interestingly, I had the opportunity to walk the fence line, to the point at which the breach happened. The 1/8" plastic covered wire fence has received a replacement piece to fill the hole...it is held in place the thinnest of mild steel wire that HAS RUSTED IN 6 DAYS. So much so that it can be snapped off by hand.
I think this illustates BHX`s attitude towards its security. As I have said previously..total apathy. Whatever next? Next weeks break in by 10 year old weilding a pair of plastic scissors to cut the wire?
Hnh
I think this illustates BHX`s attitude towards its security. As I have said previously..total apathy. Whatever next? Next weeks break in by 10 year old weilding a pair of plastic scissors to cut the wire?
Hnh
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HnH dont be worried Cal100 will protect you
Ah that will be the bit where BHX state they meet minimum requirements then....
I think this is about as serious as BHX and some (sorry one) short sighted persons on this thread can get, I refer back to head in sand .....
I wait with baited breath for words of wisdom to pour forward...
it is held in place the thinnest of mild steel wire that HAS RUSTED IN 6 DAYS. So much so that it can be snapped off by hand.
I think this is about as serious as BHX and some (sorry one) short sighted persons on this thread can get, I refer back to head in sand .....
I wait with baited breath for words of wisdom to pour forward...
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HnH,
That sounds unbelievable.
I suppose that now the Police Helicopter has been taken out of action, there isn't much for the police to directly protect over there, so guideline security will be enough.
Who will get the wagging fingers if one of the GA cabs are interfered with...Signature?
That sounds unbelievable.
I suppose that now the Police Helicopter has been taken out of action, there isn't much for the police to directly protect over there, so guideline security will be enough.
Who will get the wagging fingers if one of the GA cabs are interfered with...Signature?
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i really dont think the Police will continue their relationship with the airport. Its highly unlikely that any hagar will be built to existing plans...especially when the Airport has demonstrated its lack of care in their shoddy repair job
Hnh
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HnH,
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You should have learnt from the 'Rider of Vols' post earlier, that Avman is the leading advisor in the spelling of 'Hangar' and you WILL be advised of your mistake!
SS
Its highly unlikely that any hagar will be built to existing plans.
You should have learnt from the 'Rider of Vols' post earlier, that Avman is the leading advisor in the spelling of 'Hangar' and you WILL be advised of your mistake!
SS
Huntnhound, you can relax. "Hagar" is tolerated by Avman as this is an obvious typo. My intolerance to hangar (iso hangar) is based on my belief that people involved in aviation should know better. 
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HnH dont be worried Cal100 will protect you
Ah that will be the bit where BHX state they meet minimum requirements then....
I think this is about as serious as BHX and some (sorry one) short sighted persons on this thread can get, I refer back to head in sand .....
I wait with baited breath for words of wisdom to pour forward...
Ah that will be the bit where BHX state they meet minimum requirements then....
I think this is about as serious as BHX and some (sorry one) short sighted persons on this thread can get, I refer back to head in sand .....
I wait with baited breath for words of wisdom to pour forward...
Still waiting for the location of an airfield the Police are moving to that is more secure than BHX.
SilsoeSid
Call100;
Source still no good then
I understand you can't make it 100% secure, but in my hours walkabout, 5% would have done!
Call100;
Source still no good then
I understand you can't make it 100% secure, but in my hours walkabout, 5% would have done!
Maybe you should have been doing your walk round before the incident and making recommendations. Did you walk the entire perimiter? I suspect not, there are some areas worse than the areas around Elmdon. Amazed you hadn't noticed before the incident that there was just a chain link fence in place as a deterrent!