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Roller powered 767s
I believe that the only taker for the RB211 powered 767 was BA. They then of course leased some (7?) across to QANTAS.
BAs original disposal streategy for at least some of the 767s was to the RAF as tankers, but the A330 won that competition.
Since then money has been spent on the long-haul configured 767s for lie flat beds, but I believe there are some Eurofleet machines.....if Jet2 could source some of these I suppose there would be some engine maintenance commonalities to the 757s for Jet2 that would put most other 767 operators right-off.
BAs original disposal streategy for at least some of the 767s was to the RAF as tankers, but the A330 won that competition.
Since then money has been spent on the long-haul configured 767s for lie flat beds, but I believe there are some Eurofleet machines.....if Jet2 could source some of these I suppose there would be some engine maintenance commonalities to the 757s for Jet2 that would put most other 767 operators right-off.
RR-powered 767s were only ordered by BA and China Eastern. From memory, BA took 28 and China Eastern ordered 3. Everyone else went for either GE CF6 or PW4000 engines on 767-300s. BA leased a number of aircraft (I think it's seven) to Qantas and so QF are another operator of RR-powered 767s, even though the aircraft which Qantas ordered themselves are CF6 powered.
I'm under the impression that the engines on the ex-GF aircraft are so limiting that if Jet2 are going down this road, they will need a longer runway (or a techstop at a service station on the M62) to go long-haul ex LBA with them. The performance of the RB211-powered aircraft isn't a great deal better as the engines are so heavy.
14 Loop - our posts must have crossed!
I'm under the impression that the engines on the ex-GF aircraft are so limiting that if Jet2 are going down this road, they will need a longer runway (or a techstop at a service station on the M62) to go long-haul ex LBA with them. The performance of the RB211-powered aircraft isn't a great deal better as the engines are so heavy.
14 Loop - our posts must have crossed!
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Flightrider - yes posts crossing in the night.
Didn't BA have issues in re-engineering engine pylons on their 767s due weight?
Anyway..if the stats say LBA-JFK/DXB is possible with higher-end CF6s - isn't that probably sufficient for an embryonic long-haul programme for Jet2 from LBA??? Although I would say that Jet2 might be peeved not to be able to fly to Florida direct.
I've seen lots of bits about Jet2 committing to a long-haul programme from DSA....yes they've got the runway but I can't see it happening...if the LBA runway is a problem (which we know it is to a point) then surely MAN & NCL would be preferable in terms of building a market where they already have a presence.
Didn't BA have issues in re-engineering engine pylons on their 767s due weight?
Anyway..if the stats say LBA-JFK/DXB is possible with higher-end CF6s - isn't that probably sufficient for an embryonic long-haul programme for Jet2 from LBA??? Although I would say that Jet2 might be peeved not to be able to fly to Florida direct.
I've seen lots of bits about Jet2 committing to a long-haul programme from DSA....yes they've got the runway but I can't see it happening...if the LBA runway is a problem (which we know it is to a point) then surely MAN & NCL would be preferable in terms of building a market where they already have a presence.
Yes, I would agree about DSA being unlikely on the face of things. However, it also remains to be seen whether Peel will hose down Jet2 with cash to operate routes from there.
In terms of the aircraft, it really is up to PM this time around. His modus operandi up to now has been to take older aircraft and the ex-Gulf 767s would fit in nicely in terms of age amongst the ex-Ansett 737-300s and increasing variety of 757s. However, this strategy is dependent upon the aircraft having the performance to do the job - and I seem to recall that they had to upgrade the engines of some of the 737-300s from 3B1 to 3B2 power to hack Leeds in the first place. I suppose there's no technical reason why you couldn't upgrade the 767 engines for the same reason, but I shudder to think what the cost would be. I would have thought it would be more than enough to put off most airlines looking at those aircraft.
In terms of the aircraft, it really is up to PM this time around. His modus operandi up to now has been to take older aircraft and the ex-Gulf 767s would fit in nicely in terms of age amongst the ex-Ansett 737-300s and increasing variety of 757s. However, this strategy is dependent upon the aircraft having the performance to do the job - and I seem to recall that they had to upgrade the engines of some of the 737-300s from 3B1 to 3B2 power to hack Leeds in the first place. I suppose there's no technical reason why you couldn't upgrade the 767 engines for the same reason, but I shudder to think what the cost would be. I would have thought it would be more than enough to put off most airlines looking at those aircraft.
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But wouldn't Peel prefer to throw (more?) cash at Thomsonfly who have put DSA on the map (it's near the M18 / A1M junction)?
I suspect that the current rumour is being encouraged by PM and colleagues as a smokescreen while they put together an entirely different deal, or not as the case may be. There doesn't appear to be any tangible movement at LBIA towards accommodating LS 76s so maybe, if they exits, they are bound for MAN or NCL.
That's the great thing about rumours; they take on alife of their own
I suspect that the current rumour is being encouraged by PM and colleagues as a smokescreen while they put together an entirely different deal, or not as the case may be. There doesn't appear to be any tangible movement at LBIA towards accommodating LS 76s so maybe, if they exits, they are bound for MAN or NCL.
That's the great thing about rumours; they take on alife of their own
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Now I don't know if this would be true, but on my flight from IOM to BLK last week, I was in WHSmith after landing at BLK and I was listening to two check-in girls while they were deciding which chocolates to buy.
They were saying that LS were to make a big announcement concerning BLK. Now this was all that they said, but seeing as they have already put BFS, TFS, AGP and ALC on this winter and MJV already for next summer, will this mean more routes or just them announcing a winter FAO route or something like that?
There are alot of spaces to be filled in the BLK schedule if they are to base ANY planes at the airport this winter.
They were saying that LS were to make a big announcement concerning BLK. Now this was all that they said, but seeing as they have already put BFS, TFS, AGP and ALC on this winter and MJV already for next summer, will this mean more routes or just them announcing a winter FAO route or something like that?
There are alot of spaces to be filled in the BLK schedule if they are to base ANY planes at the airport this winter.
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That isn't necessarily correct. As we all know, B-hall is quite capable of accommodating additional capacity. Monday mornings see the Onur Air check-in down there. The new apron can accommodate 2 x wide bodied aircraft. So that's two major stumbling blocks resolved. Reading between the lines from Jet2's annual statement. It mentioned the 757's capabilities from Leeds as been a factor and that a 'similar larger aircraft' type would be used. One can only presume that this aircraft would too have excellent capabilities with LBA's current take-off limitations. I think it is quite clear that LBA is on the agenda for medium to long haul routes, but this doesn't mean that MAN or NCL wont see any developments there either.
That isn't necessarily correct. As we all know, B-hall is quite capable of accommodating additional capacity. Monday mornings see the Onur Air check-in down there. The new apron can accommodate 2 x wide bodied aircraft. So that's two major stumbling blocks resolved. Reading between the lines from Jet2's annual statement. It mentioned the 757's capabilities from Leeds as been a factor and that a 'similar larger aircraft' type would be used. One can only presume that this aircraft would too have excellent capabilities with LBA's current take-off limitations. I think it is quite clear that LBA is on the agenda for medium to long haul routes, but this doesn't mean that MAN or NCL wont see any developments there either.
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Yes, after a VERY successful summer, they plan to introduce the service on a daily basis.
Anybody know of any other BLK routes on sale soon?
Seems that they have released MAN, BFS and LBA now just BLK, NCL and EDI.
When looking at the BLK timetable currently for the winter, it looks like 1 aircraft will be based from end of October until 4th of February where a second aircraft will up sticks to BLK. I'm also guessing that there will be some new routes from BLK as the timetable is VERY scarce at the moment and will be even more scarce when a second aircraft arrives.
Anyway, nobody hold their breathe!
Anybody know of any other BLK routes on sale soon?
Seems that they have released MAN, BFS and LBA now just BLK, NCL and EDI.
When looking at the BLK timetable currently for the winter, it looks like 1 aircraft will be based from end of October until 4th of February where a second aircraft will up sticks to BLK. I'm also guessing that there will be some new routes from BLK as the timetable is VERY scarce at the moment and will be even more scarce when a second aircraft arrives.
Anyway, nobody hold their breathe!
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Mufc , as you seem to be in the know, will the malaga flights be back for summer 08 , and why are they not flying between nov-feb? Surely when monarch flew that route through the winter, they said it was very popular, only when monarch messed with timings did pax drop off!
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Gulf Air 767s
Flightrider,
Forgive me if someone has already answered this - can't be bothered to read most of the nonsense on this thread. One thing remains fairly clear to me from my time in the sandpit though - the GF 767s I flew were CF6 engined -about 60K from memory.
A 40k 767 wouldn't get off the ground on a summers day in Bahrain.
But don't let me stop the debate ! ......
Scottie.
Forgive me if someone has already answered this - can't be bothered to read most of the nonsense on this thread. One thing remains fairly clear to me from my time in the sandpit though - the GF 767s I flew were CF6 engined -about 60K from memory.
A 40k 767 wouldn't get off the ground on a summers day in Bahrain.
But don't let me stop the debate ! ......
Scottie.
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All the Gulf Air 767-300's have CF6-80C2B4 engines with a thrust rating of 57,900 so this is sunstantially more than 40,000. Thomsonfly's 767-300's have CF6-80C2B7F engines with a thrust rating of 60,800 and they have managed to get off LBA to the US/Caribbean fine. It has been mensioned else where that two of the 9 GF 767's have been bought by Jet2 and the rest are going to Ethiad for cargo 
Does the 3,000 ibs of thrust make much difference considering the runway etc?
I was thinking bout the ex MYT 763's that are due to leave their fleet in November (apparently) has anyone heard where they are destined for? (im just putting 2 + 2 and getting 5 here)
Does the 3,000 ibs of thrust make much difference considering the runway etc?
I was thinking bout the ex MYT 763's that are due to leave their fleet in November (apparently) has anyone heard where they are destined for? (im just putting 2 + 2 and getting 5 here)
Scottie, thanks. The people who are marketing the GF 767s need a quick rethink on the technical specs published for them, in that case as they show a markedly lower thrust rating than that.
I guess 3k thrust can make a difference if you're fairly tight on performance to start with.
The T-fly flights ex LBA to Barbados this winter are all stopping at Manchester on the way. Is this crew or performance-related?
One of the MyTravel 763s is staying in the fleet and the other is allegedly heading for Condor.
I guess 3k thrust can make a difference if you're fairly tight on performance to start with.
The T-fly flights ex LBA to Barbados this winter are all stopping at Manchester on the way. Is this crew or performance-related?
One of the MyTravel 763s is staying in the fleet and the other is allegedly heading for Condor.
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The cruise program ex LBA on a mix of 200/300's last winter had scheduled fuel stops at either Manchester, Belfast or Montreal Dorval at the time of booking. In reality, if my memory serves me correctly, only one Bridgetown flight, and the Acapulco flight stopped en route via Belfast and Montreal respectively.
I unfortunately don't have the final take off weights or the local weather at the times in question, which obviously would have been a deciding factor whether the flights went direct or not.
I unfortunately don't have the final take off weights or the local weather at the times in question, which obviously would have been a deciding factor whether the flights went direct or not.
Nice job J2
My 1st time on Jet2 this week, MAN-SXF-MAN.
Gotta say good job all round inbound and outbound. Lots of people these days tend to do nothing but moan and rant...so thought I would say something positive.
Arrived in MAN much to early for my check in on Monday, but lo and behold i sat and waited for only 10-15 mins before the nice lady with the clipboard said I could check in.
Flight was ready to go on time, but Alpha dropped a clanger by arriving late (so no fault of J2)
Arrived on time and out the door the other end quick as a flash.
Coming back was fine and dandy on time, clean.
I was onboard LS842/8 yesterday SXF-MAN.....now I do not know if any flight deck boys and girls read these threads....but if the FD who operated that route yesterday pass through here, let me say 1 thing.......
Bye 'eck that FR bird looked close, about an hour into the flight
Anyway J2....top job
B_n_T
Gotta say good job all round inbound and outbound. Lots of people these days tend to do nothing but moan and rant...so thought I would say something positive.
Arrived in MAN much to early for my check in on Monday, but lo and behold i sat and waited for only 10-15 mins before the nice lady with the clipboard said I could check in.
Flight was ready to go on time, but Alpha dropped a clanger by arriving late (so no fault of J2)
Arrived on time and out the door the other end quick as a flash.
Coming back was fine and dandy on time, clean.
I was onboard LS842/8 yesterday SXF-MAN.....now I do not know if any flight deck boys and girls read these threads....but if the FD who operated that route yesterday pass through here, let me say 1 thing.......
Bye 'eck that FR bird looked close, about an hour into the flight
Anyway J2....top job
B_n_T
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Well, thanks old chap. You must of been one of our more lucky punters this summer!
A320 fan, you said that Jet2 have purchased 2 76's from GF, is that from a reliable source?
What's the avg. time for a rumor to become fact?
I remember hearing the rumors about the 3 ex - china 75's about October and think they turned up around March / April time?
A320 fan, you said that Jet2 have purchased 2 76's from GF, is that from a reliable source?
What's the avg. time for a rumor to become fact?
I remember hearing the rumors about the 3 ex - china 75's about October and think they turned up around March / April time?