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Old 31st Dec 2008, 20:28
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That first Northern Echo article is so, I dunno, warming and nice? The annoying thing about it is we all know the airport is going to downsize rather than expand, at least for the time being.

As for the second article, Flyglobespan have handed in their notice already and are definitely, 100% leaving. Sorry, I tell a lie, they're taking over the troop flights from Omni - knowing them they'll use that to fool the media into thinking they're still bringing pax into DTVA after January!!
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Old 1st Jan 2009, 11:30
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If the road links to and from the A1M were sorted, the rail station sorted out and a regular train service laid on, they would be in a good position to get the airport moving. Then if they were to push for a deal with ryanair, and of course, change the name back to "Teesside" I think they would start to see things moving. OIMHO of course!
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Old 1st Jan 2009, 22:22
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Nothing in the article is new but it is coherently collected together and uses ded gud english to say what everyone already knew. I would suggest that whoever wrote the article was trying to scoop the flygobespan decision to pull out but he was stonewalled and this left him very little new to write about. Still, it is a good article bringing the problems to the wider audience of the Northern Echo than this forum.
As fot the road links...everything is sorted with the new junction and as for the wider issues of the A1 this is not something Teesside airport can deliver. There is an excellent road infrastructure compared to other parts of the country. Have you ever tried to access Stansted recently along the A14/M11 it is horrendous whatever time of the day or night you use it.
The rail operator will not stop his trains at the station because there are no passengers wanting to use it. It is a chicken and egg situation but because of recent and proposed building the rail access to the terminal is problematical and requires road transport outside of the airport. There is already a link to Darlington railway station which is as fast as the train journey to Teessside airport and then the transfer to the terminal.
The re re branding back to Teesside is obviously the way forward but whoever made the decision to go for DTV is obviously still at Peel and will not want to look as stupid as he/she obviously was, in the eyes of the people of Teesside.
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 14:42
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I started flying in the north east many years ago. in the early days there was little difference between NCL and Teesside. Over the years NCL made sure they got improved road links. They made sure they got a link to the metro system. They laid in massive car parking facilities. They made deals with loco's and they kept their name and identiy. Teesside did none of the above.
Tesside, or DTV as they now choose to call themselves are in a much better geographic position than NCL, but they have failed at every hurdle to keep up with it. I am sure if they had the management with vsion to make similar things happen for their airport, you would start to see people want to fly from there. But not untill then.
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 17:23
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Tesside, or DTV as they now choose to call themselves are in a much better geographic position than NCL, but they have failed at every hurdle to keep up with it.
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Typical of three local council authorities trying to jointly run an airport. They couldn't run P.U in a brewery.
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 20:02
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Newcastle has 7 LA's - perhaps DTVA has hasn't enough?!
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 20:09
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Doesn't DTVA have 5 local authorities which share the 25% stake? Namely Darlington, Stockton-on-Tees, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool and Redcar and Cleveland Borough Councils?

I'm sure one of them doesn't want their share in DTV due to their interests in NCL, but for some reason or another, have no choice and have to keep it.
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 21:54
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Darlington used to be part of Durham County Council which I believe still has an interest in NCL. It is now a stand alone authority with no interest in NCL. Strange though that Durham , part of the NCL airport authority , should have it's name linked with another airport.
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 21:58
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So is everyone ready to welcome Atlantic and Jet2 to our little humble hole we call DTVA?
Anyone know if they will bother positioning back to NCL (especially Atlantic) given they have no day time flights (Jet2 have Thu and Fri) Seems a bit pointless to me but if engineering backup and stuff is up at NCL then it may be worthwhile?
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 22:23
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Que? Please explain.
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 22:35
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The Newcastle mail flights will be coming to DTVA as of Monday night. NCL closes for runway resurfacing 2330-0545 Mon-Fri from Jan 5th to April 9th according to the NOTAMs.
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 22:45
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So if it snows the post going to be even later!
I wonder were these three will park and will the Fedex ATR come through in the morning.
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Old 3rd Jan 2009, 23:43
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N707ZS - not sure what you mean by the "So if it snows the post going to be even later!" comment, but the Royal Mail depot is in Bishop Auckland, or Newton Aycliffe, or somewhere like that, in other words, a damn sight closer to DTV than NCL. A perfect example of idiotic management somewhere along the line - the mail flights should come to DTV all the time rather than just these next few months.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 09:25
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Totally agree, the mail should of been down here years ago, and perhaps if we had the mail Jet 2 might of been based here also. Its all down to management again.

Snow, well remember the other week, was it less than a centimeter came down and the place was shut until eleven if that happened the mail would have to be diverted to somewhere like Liverpool or Edinburgh.
My post reaches the front door between 12.00 and 14.00 each day so with a bit of snow add another day.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 09:54
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Newcatle has 7 L.A's but with Copenhagen Airports having (49%) Perhaps they are the driving body behind it's advancement, or better management.

The local authorities at Teesside Airport have shown how useless they were at running a business. Just look at it. If it's the management that are not up to it you replace them.

An opportunity wasted.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 11:11
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I believe MME would definitely need to attract again one of the big holiday operators, such as Thomson/Thomas Cook, with at least one aircraft based on selected days during the whole summer season flying to popoular sun spots like Palma, Mahon, Ibiza, Reus, Faro, Tenerife South, Arrecife, Corfu or Zakinthos, Bourgas, Dalaman, Larnaca or Paphos and not competing with RYR services to the Spanish costas.
People are now increasingly looking again into value and ATOL-protected holidays rather than into many low-cost short-breaks throughout the year, so I think that it would work pretty well, considering that the holiday programme that MME can offer for the coming summer season it's fairly disappointing : only Bourgas, Dalaman, Bodrum, Reus and Palma are on sale, plus RYR flights to Alicante and Girona.

It appears MAH has been axed by Thomson for S09.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 12:03
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Teesside, or DTV as they now choose to call themselves are in a much better geographic position than NCL
I just love these subjective statements that sound good but really say absolutely nothing. 'Geography' more than drawing a circle of whatever radius and counting the population therein & in reality DTV through inferior road & rail access actually is in a worse geographic position. Even in overcoming these issues there are other factors such as attitudes to overcome. Any real chance of challenging NCL was dead well before the arrival of EZY primarily due to bad management getting just about everything wrong. As has been stated then the mail operating from NCL vs DTV appears a case in point. I totally condone N707ZS point regards any snowfall which if it does occour then I'm sure DTV will achieve nothing other than support the mails continued operations from NCL.
As for the summer program then I don't feel that the tour operators have felt the full impact of ongoing collapse of sterling on bookings, and perhaps there is more carnage to come if the stregnth of the new year bookings falls way down on forecasts. All makes for a difficult background to forecast growth at any UK airport including the twenty six that are currently ranked above DTV!
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 13:32
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Skyman, Thirty to fourty years ago the road links to both airports were fairly similar. Flights to and from both airports were similar, although NCL did have the edge. This of course you would expect as NCL was a dedicated civil airport a long time before RAF Middleton St George became Teesside.
The big start for the NCL lead can probably be claimed by Jim Denyer. He was in charge at NCL from the 60's to the 80's and he made a lot happen in those days. I agree the loco's are only recent arrivals at NCL but they came because of all that had been achieved by then.
Teesside would now have a long struggle to catch up but if they made the moves I previously mentioned, I think they could make start.
The problem they now face is that the local autorities have decided that NCL is the airport of the north east and laid in the infa structure accordingly. It would now take a real good manager at Teesside to talk the authorities round into doing the same for them.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 16:42
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management

Whilst I agree the management at Teesside don't appear to have been angling for manager of the year awards on too many occasions, it seems a little bit like some people are making them a scapegoat.

Over recent years, MME has attracted lo-cos such as bmibaby, ryanair and globespan as well as more regular bmi services to LHR and eastern to BRU and BRS but what has sealed the nail on the coffin each time has primarily (but NOT exclusively) been down to demand.

Surely comparing MME to NCL as airports is like comparing each area i.e. Middlesbrough, Hartlepool et al to Newcastle/Gateshead-there just is no comparison.

Which area has more businesses, entrepreneurs, international companies, law firms etc with a demand for business routes and which has more wealth in general i.e middle income families earning enough to fly to european cities 2-3 times a year.

Really, all MME has to hope for is the following:
1) FlyBE to start JER route 1xweekly next summer (if HUY can, surely MME can!!)
2) FR to lauch routes to connect to other routes in Europe or operate on a W pattern to guage demand.

I do think MME still has potential-it is relatively untouched by other airlines unlike NCL and LBA where any newcomer would find it hard against EZY, JET2 and FR. BUT, routes must fit both frequency and destination to fit demand as in fairness GSM had seemed to have done before the debacle of will they wont they with regards the leased aircraft.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 16:57
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1) FlyBE to start JER route 1xweekly next summer (if HUY can, surely MME can!!)
That would depend on the requirements of the Channel Island Travel Service and if they wish to offer JER out of MME. The BE service just replaces a previous VLM Fokker 50 charter with BE selling the extra capacity crerated by using a larger aircraft themselves. I presume the Channel Island Travel Service used GSM last year?
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