CORK - 5

[cloudier]

what a pity Mr Conor Healy form chamber of commerce did not tell the late Joe Gantly who was a member, when he got rid of aer arran , and gave the route to Ryanair yet there are ways to get to USA from CORK via LHR AMS AND CDG MAN

[CCR]

Business traffic from Cork will continue to fly to the US via LHR, AMS and MAN.

The best EI long haul can hope for is leisure traffic from Cork punters willing to take the motorway to Dublin or take on the drive to Shannon which is an ordeal in itself once you are north of Mallow to the county boundary

Hopefully one of the US airlines will take a chance on Cork in the coming year. American Airlines is probably the best bet given they seem to be the only major long haul US airline who does not already fly into Shannon.

[Jamie2k9]

Business traffic from Cork will continue to fly to the US via LHR, AMS and MAN.

The best EI long haul can hope for is leisure traffic from Cork punters willing to take the motorway to Dublin or take on the drive to Shannon which is an ordeal in itself once you are north of Mallow to the county boundary

Hopefully one of the US airlines will take a chance on Cork in the coming year. American Airlines is probably the best bet given they seem to be the only major long haul US airline who does not already fly into Shannon.

American Airlines are more less US Airways and AA now only have two remaining B757 routes to Europe from the US so not much chance of them around Cork anytime soon.

Your right about Business traffic using the current European hubs available but plenty still use SNN/DUB.

Don't hold much hope for EMA to take off again, unless FR are on a deal with ORK.

[Jack1985]

Don't hold much hope for EMA to take off again, unless FR are on a deal with ORK.

Oh it'll take-off alright be assured of that, just hope Management had the balls to stick to policy regarding incentives!

[Jamie2k9]

Oh it'll take-off alright be assured of that, just hope Management had the balls to stick to policy regarding incentives!

well we know what happened last time FR wanted to bend the rules of the incentives at DUB, they have not used them since...

[ryan2000]

When EMA was operating in 2007/8, both EI and WW were operating jet services to BHX. Now its just. A double daily ATR operating for RE. That might help FR. I'd imagine the incentives at the Cork end are the same as those available for any other new routes. Looks as if FR are aiming to replace EI as the number 1 carrier as the gap between them is closing steadily particularly during the Summer.

[racedo]

Why can't they just improve and extend the one they've got?

Lets see waste €200 million on an airport that has maximum of 3 million passengers a years and will never pay for itself.

Waste €1 Billion plus on a Terminal......

Why would they extend the runway...............no brownie points for that

[racedo]

What airport are you talking about with 3 million passengers a year?

Cork airport wasted €200 Million on itself or have you forgotten ?

What Terminal are you talking about that cost €1 Billion? This is the Dublin Thread, the most recent terminal, T2 only cost €600m.

And what was the cost of writing off the previous investment still on the books at Dublin ?

[Aerlingus231]

Cork airport wasted €200 Million on itself or have you forgotten ?

What difference does what the Cork Airport Authority did have on to Dublin Airport. Cork now have a fine airport that is ready for growth in passenger numbers as they increase. Future proofing, it's a good idea.

And what was the cost of writing off the previous investment still on the books at Dublin ?

Which previous investment would this be?

[racedo]

What difference does what the Cork Airport Authority did have on to Dublin Airport. Cork now have a fine airport that is ready for growth in passenger numbers as they increase. Future proofing, it's a good idea.

It was managed and controlled by DAA and they had no idea that a small airport was spending in excess of their overall turnover.

Future proofilng is a wonderful idea but reality is Cork handled 2.3 Million passengers last year, less than 2011. By the time the supposed Future proofing gets called into play andother €50 million will be needed for run down facilities.

Which previous investment would this be?

All the previous investment that T2 replaced.

It wasn't valued at zero so had to be written down to zero because you were replacing and knocking it down or did you figure it was valued at nothing ?

[Jack1985]

It was managed and controlled by DAA and they had no idea that a small airport was spending in excess of their overall turnover.

Future proofilng is a wonderful idea but reality is Cork handled 2.3 Million passengers last year, less than 2011. By the time the supposed Future proofing gets called into play andother €50 million will be needed for run down facilities.

Are you being serious? That is such bull!! Fair enough pax numbers have been declining since 2009, but don't try spill your usually tripe across this forum when you have no notion about what you are talking about. Had the growth rates continued at Cork Airport past 2008 we would be approaching 5m passengers right now, the investment did not predict a financial collapse in this country, but obviously you did, amazing. Regarding your last statement, can you provide evidence of that?

[racedo]

Are you being serious? That is such bull!! Fair enough pax numbers have been declining since 2009, but don't try spill your usually tripe across this forum when you have no notion about what you are talking about. Had the growth rates continued at Cork Airport past 2008 we would be approaching 5m passengers right now, the investment did not predict a financial collapse in this country, but obviously you did, amazing. Regarding your last statement, can you provide evidence of that?

Cork airport spent €200 million and on what ?

Marseille built a terminal for €10 Million.

Cork was never going to reach 5 million passengers and any claim it was pretty much shows someone has been availing of the local dark liquids.

Irelands sad financial collapse was not a shock, You can't really have an economy where reliant on building and selling new houses ad infinitum and that was just for their tax revenue.

[Tom the Tenor]

Racedo, have you ever been to Cork Airport? May I be the first to invite you to visit us all here in Cork and you can see for yourself the working of the Cork terminal. You are probably correct that it was the Dublin bozos who decided on the final plan but it is the folk here in Cork whom have now made it work as well as it now does

Another thing, Ryanair seem to know a good thing at Cork this summer. A third aeroplane is summer based and they are going out everyday near to full to twenty odd destinations from Cork. I am sure Ryanair is more than happy now with it's Cork operations and it has been a long time indeed since there has been any moans and whines from Head Office. Ryanair are getting on with it and making good money from Cork.

If anything, Ryanair are now far more willing and, dare I say it, more adventurous at Cork than Aer Lingus.

[GCUFD]

Originally Posted by racedo

Cork airport spent €200 million and on what ?

Marseille built a terminal for €10 Million.

Cork was never going to reach 5 million passengers and any claim it was pretty much shows someone has been availing of the local dark liquids.

Look, I don't think anyone could argue with you about the misplaced sense of priority in all this. But I think you might not have a handle on the extent to which the issue is political interference, rather than the management of the DAA per se. The political intention was, basically, that Dublin Airport would give one last bailout to Cork and Shannon before letting them go on their way, debt free. So Cork would have a brand new terminal, copulate expensium.

Incidently, the only complaint the bozos in Cork had about the project while the terminal was being built was there weren't enough airbridges. You can probably imagine the political fallout when, given that this whole turkey was about as financially sound as something that isn't very financially sound, the Government partly reneged on its commitment to making Cork Airport independent and debt-free. Instead, Cork Airport would have to meet half of the cost (just half the cost) out of it's own resources if they wanted independence.

Again, no defence of the cock-eyed priorities, which are much as you see them. Its just not so much about the DAA, and more about political interference by their shareholder. Which leaves us with this looming issue of the investment needed to keep open the runway that handles 75% of national air traffic. Ironically, most West of Ireland tourists enter the country through Dublin Airport. Its more important for West of Ireland tourism than Shannon ever was or will be. But that's not how the political system decides the priorities.

[Jack1985]

Cork airport spent €200 million and on what ?

Marseille built a terminal for €10 Million.

Cork was never going to reach 5 million passengers and any claim it was pretty much shows someone has been availing of the local dark liquids.

Irelands sad financial collapse was not a shock, You can't really have an economy where reliant on building and selling new houses ad infinitum and that was just for their tax revenue.

Stop dodging the question I've asked you idiot, you're ignoring a false statement you have made and are now deferring the question.

First off:

Cork Airport did not spend €200m the DAA did.

Your statement re: 5m passengers, total bull yet again. Cork Airport will reach 5m passengers in the future years ahead it jumped from 1.3m pax in 1998 to 3.3m in 10 years. 5m was most definitely achievable.

Your final statement, has nothing to do with the DAA the gov's tax revenues were irrelevant to them as it would be with any company, The DAA has unforeseen levels of growth at Dublin (particularly) and Cork (Shannon had begun to decline around 2008) and promptly began to plan for increased capacity at all 3 airports - yet if they had you working with them (thank god not) we would have been sensible and planned to avoid a economic collapse being one of the few companies in this world to have such brains.

God you really are an annoying guy.

[racedo]

Cork Airport did not spend €200m the DAA did.

Your statement re: 5m passengers, total bull yet again. Cork Airport will reach 5m passengers in the future years ahead it jumped from 1.3m pax in 1998 to 3.3m in 10 years. 5m was most definitely achievable.

Right so those good people just sat there and never said a thing and waited for DAA to just spend €200..............right

As for getting to 5 million....................no chance in next 25 years.

Growing economy and influx of east Europeans helped that number, it was a one off and not to be repeated.

Cork

Your final statement, has nothing to do with the DAA the gov's tax revenues were irrelevant to them as it would be with any company, The DAA has unforeseen levels of growth at Dublin (particularly) and Cork (Shannon had begun to decline around 2008) and promptly began to plan for increased capacity at all 3 airports - yet if they had you working with them (thank god not) we would have been sensible and planned to avoid a economic collapse being one of the few companies in this world to have such brains.

God you really are an annoying guy.

One off levels of growth that couldn't last yet spend €1 Billion when Gatwick sold for £1,5 Billion. Project team saw that one coming.

[racedo]

Racedo, have you ever been to Cork Airport? May I be the first to invite you to visit us all here in Cork and you can see for yourself the working of the Cork terminal. You are probably correct that it was the Dublin bozos who decided on the final plan but it is the folk here in Cork whom have now made it work as well as it now does

Been there many times and €200 Million.................. PT Barnum was right

[Jack1985]

Right so those good people just sat there and never said a thing and waited for DAA to just spend €200..............right

Continue to dodge the question haha pathetic! You do know the organisational structure at Cork? Cork is barely responsible for financial matters it basically lies with the DAA - The CAA were briefed on a new terminal by their heads in Dublin and you really believe they would object to such a new face at the airport? These were there bosses telling them we were getting a new terminal covered by the state which they have since refused to pay for so you tell me a company which would object to such a proposal.

As for getting to 5 million....................no chance in next 25 years.

I'll hold you to that statement.

Growing economy and influx of east Europeans helped that number, it was a one off and not to be repeated.

So the fact Cork handled the highest amount of Eastern Europe passengers in 2012 (yet to be declared for 2013) fully support that ludicrous statement.

The decline at Cork was due to the collapse in Domestic travel and reduction in UK flights - Europe has continued to grow although at a much lower pace than pre-2008.

One off levels of growth that couldn't last yet spend €1 Billion when Gatwick sold for £1,5 Billion. Project team saw that one coming.

Ha, you really are wonderman.

Listen mate when you understand what you're talking about brief us, but don't try discredit my colleagues and the company I work for when you don't know what you are talking about.

[GCUFD]

Originally Posted by Jack1985

we were getting a new terminal covered by the state

I think you are being a little parsimonious with the facts. There was never any question of the State covering the cost of the Cork Airport terminal. What was proposed was that the three airports would be split, with any debts incurred at Cork being left with Dublin Airport.

You know, the thread is actually demonstrating the political issue. We've a story that potentially means that 75% of passenger traffic could be disrupted if a solution can't be found for Dublin's runway, and here we are talking about Cork's terminal building as if it mattered.

[Cian]

One off levels of growth that couldn't last yet spend €1 Billion when Gatwick sold for £1,5 Billion. Project team saw that one coming.

That'd be Gatwick, which then required £1.2Bn spent on it to make it just about acceptable as a leisure airport? And has a plan to spend £3Bn for its new terminal and runway?

Great analogy that.