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Most airports with a curfew have a fine for late carriers rather than a requirement to divert. The fine covers things like extended control cover, plus any noise pollution breaches.
If the curfew was set for midnight, no airline would want to operate a service that was scheduled to arrive after 11pm (arguable EIR would need to go with 10pm), if it meant a diversion. Delays happen and as often as not one of the aircraft arriving back into Cork at night has a delay of around an hour on the flight.
Looking at today's flights, we already see 45 mins on the aircraft operating the BRS flight.
If the curfew was set for midnight, no airline would want to operate a service that was scheduled to arrive after 11pm (arguable EIR would need to go with 10pm), if it meant a diversion. Delays happen and as often as not one of the aircraft arriving back into Cork at night has a delay of around an hour on the flight.
Looking at today's flights, we already see 45 mins on the aircraft operating the BRS flight.
00.00 in winter is acceptable but possible 01.30 in summer and possibly a 90 minute delay period once they get some notice which most of the time airlines will know if there will be a significant delay to operations.
I assume the airport doesn't need to be operational with no ATC so it could save a lot of costs.
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Wasn't capacity up in July with extra Ryanair flights or is my memory of July 2012 wrong?
If capacity is up or stable those are awful figures
In the meantime, Dublin posts good figures and Shannon does too now it is free of the DAA.
If capacity is up or stable those are awful figures
In the meantime, Dublin posts good figures and Shannon does too now it is free of the DAA.
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Seems like Cork is just treading water with those figures. The CAA`s marketing dept needs to get their finger out. Think East Midlands is the only new route announced in recent times.
The CAA should be talking to Lufthansa on a Cork-Frankfurt route, given they operate a thrice daily A321 service to Dublin. The Bombardier 900 regional jet that Lufthansa/Eurowings operate to Knock would be perfect for Cork.
An increase in frequencies to Paris and Brussels would be great too.
It was a bit ironic recently to hear Herr Mueller stating that there will no longer be a Cork-Dublin service due to the close proximity of Cork and Dublin via the motorway yet in his own country, the land of the autobahn, Lufthansa operates flights from a city like Nuremberg to cities closer in proximity than Cork is to Dublin, to destinations such as Munich, Frankfurt and Stuttgart.
The CAA should be talking to Lufthansa on a Cork-Frankfurt route, given they operate a thrice daily A321 service to Dublin. The Bombardier 900 regional jet that Lufthansa/Eurowings operate to Knock would be perfect for Cork.
An increase in frequencies to Paris and Brussels would be great too.
It was a bit ironic recently to hear Herr Mueller stating that there will no longer be a Cork-Dublin service due to the close proximity of Cork and Dublin via the motorway yet in his own country, the land of the autobahn, Lufthansa operates flights from a city like Nuremberg to cities closer in proximity than Cork is to Dublin, to destinations such as Munich, Frankfurt and Stuttgart.
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CCR Germany is a country of 90 million, Ireland on the other hand has a paltry 4.5 million, 1/4 of whom reside in Dublin and 1/3 in the Greater Dublin Area.
I'm sure there's a market for connecting traffic, however maybe its a case of they need a certain amount of O&D business traffic in order for it to be sustainable.
I'm sure there's a market for connecting traffic, however maybe its a case of they need a certain amount of O&D business traffic in order for it to be sustainable.
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I mentioned Nuremberg as it`s population is similar to Cork`s (city&county) population. It`s quite a change from 11 flights a day between Cork and Dublin with 2 airlines on the route to no service in a few short years.
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I wonder what Cork were basing their growth projections on for 2012. Maybe they assumed Wizz would hold out against Ryanair on the Polish routes. It's certainly disappointing to have negative growth when there appears to have been more seats available.
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Cork Rebel Week
I see that Cork Airport has given a commitment to the organisers of Cork Rebel Week that they will try and persuade airlines to put on extra flights for the event. This Paddywhackery takes place in October and you can even get a rebel Cork passport if you apply online!
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Not sure if it's being marketed overseas. I suppose Tourism Ireland might include it on their events list. There's a mention of international sports fixtures in Cprk during the so called rebel week. I wonder what teams they have in mind? I'll be surprised if the week attracts more than a handful of extra passengers to Cork let alone extra flights.
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Interesting comment from Cork Chamber and the DAA regarding a ORK-DUB service.
Aer Lingus: No new Cork winter routes | Irish Examiner
According to the Cork Chamber of Commerce, one of the key routes required at Cork Airport is the restoration of the Cork-Dublin connection.
With Dublin being developed as a European hub for passengers flying to America, the importance of feeding into the network has never been greater, argues the chamber.
The Dublin Airport Authority has stated it was their number one priority to get a Dublin-Cork link back, chamber chief executive Conor Healy said.
We are working with them to prove that demand exists, he said
Aer Lingus: No new Cork winter routes | Irish Examiner
According to the Cork Chamber of Commerce, one of the key routes required at Cork Airport is the restoration of the Cork-Dublin connection.
With Dublin being developed as a European hub for passengers flying to America, the importance of feeding into the network has never been greater, argues the chamber.
The Dublin Airport Authority has stated it was their number one priority to get a Dublin-Cork link back, chamber chief executive Conor Healy said.
We are working with them to prove that demand exists, he said
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Cork should be happy with what they got for the winter.
Yes SNN-ACE announced but one LHR flight dropped to make way for it to operate and the A320 based is being replaced by a A319 which is 1260 seats lost per week apart from Christmas/NY period. There is SNN-BOS on the 757 but overall a large cut in capacity.
Can't see Cork-Dublin happening at all, who would operate it and if EI could, would a 72 be viable as the 42's won't be around long term.
Yes SNN-ACE announced but one LHR flight dropped to make way for it to operate and the A320 based is being replaced by a A319 which is 1260 seats lost per week apart from Christmas/NY period. There is SNN-BOS on the 757 but overall a large cut in capacity.
Can't see Cork-Dublin happening at all, who would operate it and if EI could, would a 72 be viable as the 42's won't be around long term.
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The critical thing with ORK-DUB is that there is only one potential operator. So, if it was reintroduced, it would more than likely mean lost seats to UK regional destinations.
I'm actually surprised EI don't want to to feed transatlantic flights though. I know it would take people off ORK-LHR and ORK-AMS, so the benefit isn't what it might be, but it would still make a lot more money for them to fly a passenger across the Atlantic.
I'm actually surprised EI don't want to to feed transatlantic flights though. I know it would take people off ORK-LHR and ORK-AMS, so the benefit isn't what it might be, but it would still make a lot more money for them to fly a passenger across the Atlantic.
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But surely EI is already getting the lion's share of transatlantic traffic to/from Cork, either via LHR/AMS, or via people travelling by car/bus to Dublin or Shannon?
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My point was more why get 160 for flying someone to Amsterdam and back when you could get 600 for flying them to New York. I'm surprised they see demand as so low that the additional income isn't worth it.
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DAA have the answer to the above: their passenger surveys in Dublin ( and I imagine Shannon until last year) include questions about county of origin. I don't know the answer myself so I am just musing aloud!
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Business class passengers tend to travel via LHR from Cork if they want to fly to the U.S. Aerlingus used to offer a limousine service to Shannon free of charge as an incentive but it never really made an impact. Those promoting the wider Cork region as an investment location say the Heathrow service is almost as important to Cork's connectivity to North America as a token direct service to JFK would be.