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-3.6% Nov 11
Aer Lingus and Wizz Air acctually increased capacity this Winter. Aer Lingus Regional, Jet2.com should all be ruffley the same. However Ryanair significantly reduced flights this Winter axing of Dublin & Faro (Now Seasonal) routes, Reduction of Service to Liverpool. Also there is now one weekly charter flight to Lanzarote via SNN, significantly lower then last year when there was direct service to ACE (Plus the current service via SNN) aswell as LPA by charter companies.
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Did Wizz not cut all there polish routes to 1 or 2 weekly from mid Nov? This just proves that there is not demad for flights and people just can't afford to travel. So would expect this for most of the winter not just from Cork but all airports in Ireland. Flights are there to an extent but not being filled. There is only so much the airlines can do to get passengers on seats.
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Wizz Air - Winter 10/11:
Gdansk - 2PW
Katowice - 3PW
Poznan - 2PW
Wroclaw - 2PW
Weekly flights: 9PW
Wizz Air - Winter 11/12:
Gdansk - 2PW*
Katowice - 3PW*
Poznan - 2PW*
Vilnius - 2PW
Warsaw - 2PW*
Wroclaw - 2PW*
*Reduction of one weekly flight for months of Jan, Feb and Mar.
Weekly flights: 13PW
Weekly flights: 8PW (Jan to Mar reduction)
Gdansk - 2PW
Katowice - 3PW
Poznan - 2PW
Wroclaw - 2PW
Weekly flights: 9PW
Wizz Air - Winter 11/12:
Gdansk - 2PW*
Katowice - 3PW*
Poznan - 2PW*
Vilnius - 2PW
Warsaw - 2PW*
Wroclaw - 2PW*
*Reduction of one weekly flight for months of Jan, Feb and Mar.
Weekly flights: 13PW
Weekly flights: 8PW (Jan to Mar reduction)
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The report of DUB,ORK And SNN has being concluded as says Cork should stay under the DAA but it should have greather autonomy while Shannon should be split.
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It might work out for the best in the short-term as debt-free doesn't seem to have been on offer and the debt itself would cripple an independent entity.
The important thing now is to ensure that whatever set-up gets created doesn't give Shannon an advantage over Cork or vice-versa.
The cynic in me says that the proposed structure ensures that the national government can blame local politicians if/when things go wrong in Shannon.
The important thing now is to ensure that whatever set-up gets created doesn't give Shannon an advantage over Cork or vice-versa.
The cynic in me says that the proposed structure ensures that the national government can blame local politicians if/when things go wrong in Shannon.
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Ryanair Bucket and Spade route's fully released
It might work out for the best in the short-term
. But i was delighted to read within the Booz & co. report that greater autonomy is needed at ORK which hopefully will suffice when the MoT presents the report to Dáil Eireann.On another note, Ryanair have just updated their booking engine for Cork and re-added ALC, BOD, CCF, LRH, REU for Su12 along with the new additions of PMI, PSA plus existing service to ACE, AGP, FAO, FUE, LGW, LPA, LPL, STN, TFS. Only two routes not re-appearing DUB (was axed) and surprisingly no BGY even though loads where good on the route last Summer although there's plenty of time to re-add it, i remember it being announced last January anyway. Wonder if there is any more Ryanair routes on the way? hopefully there is, and hopefully a route which will attract inbound tourism.
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MON is not fly ORK-FAO next summer. Both Falcon and Thomas Cook have pulled it. An extra PMI on Thursdays will operate and as a result Holidays Czech Airlines will not start PMI.
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A few people on here think if/once ORK gets more power that everything will be alright. It wont be we are just about gone back into recession and airlines are not going to start flying to Cork just because charges may be slightly lower.
November 2011 - Air Traffic movements down 14.8% compares to Snn down 4.1% and Dublin down 5.7%.
Agree with Ryan2000 EI woud be better keeping FRA rather than BRU.
November 2011 - Air Traffic movements down 14.8% compares to Snn down 4.1% and Dublin down 5.7%.
Agree with Ryan2000 EI woud be better keeping FRA rather than BRU.
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Speculation that about Brussells replacing Frankfurt. Hopefully it's wide of the mark as there is no comparison in terms of connecting traffic.
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The word was that BRU wasnt particularly successful when Jetmagic did it at €99.... totally agree that BRU not nearly as much potential as FRA. It will be a point to point route quite literally. What value would connecting to Brussels Airlines bring? Connections to Africa, no other tangible benefits as far as I can see.... besides AMS and LHR are comprehensive enough for connecting traffic. Maybe Cork will get a 319 for marginal routes?
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Has EI ever done Brussels in the past? I'd say there would be some demand for such a service but filling even an A319 maybe tricky. It may be suprising though and provide some in bound tourism in summer as well as opening up places like Brugge to the Irish market.
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Next April Aer Lingus will operate the following weekly frequency on Dublin to Brussels:
12 x A320 + 6 x A321 = 18 x weekly (and judging by load factor and prices this route is one of Aer Lingus' biggest earners)
Ryanair will operate the following weekly frequency on Dublin to Charleroi:
7 x B738
That's 25 big aircraft flying from Dublin to Belgium every week.
Surely 3 x A320 from Cork to Brussels is conceivable.
Okay I am biased. I am a Cork man living in Belgium. I nearly always fly to Dublin to get home and I see an important number of people from Munster on the flights. In the days of Charleroi to Shannon, half the plane used to have Cork as final destination from what I could see. I regularly have friends from Cork needing to come to Belgium for work. Pharmaceutical and telecommunication business links are not the only ones. Think of all the Munster people working for the European Union or for legal or lobby groups.
And then all the people like me, Munster Irish living in Belgium, and then all the Belgians living in Munster.
In 2003 Jet Magic had built up a significant customer base on Cork to Brussels by the time they went bankrupt. 99 euro tickets were few and far between. Typically it was costing almost 300 euros return.
In summer 2005 when Brussels Airlines operately Brussels to Cork 2 x weekly M--T--- in a mix of 80 and 100 seater Avro jets they had a load factor above 95% despite being very expensive and having zero marketing of the route on either side.
Aer Lingus' routes from Cork to Paris and Amsterdam are strong performers, and possibly Cork to Brussels would be a natural expansion of these routes.
An introduction of Cork to Brussels would have a negative effect on the following routes:
EI: DUB-BRU
FR: DUB-CRL
EI: ORK-AMS + KL: AMS-BRU + KL: AMS-LUX
EI: ORK-CDG
EI: ORK-LHR + BA: LHR-BRU + BA: LHR-LUX
FR: DUB-EIN
EI: DUS-DUB
FR: HHN-KIR
etc etc
Any new route will have a negative effect on an airlines' existing routes. But I am convinced that there is strong demand for Cork to Brussels.
12 x A320 + 6 x A321 = 18 x weekly (and judging by load factor and prices this route is one of Aer Lingus' biggest earners)
Ryanair will operate the following weekly frequency on Dublin to Charleroi:
7 x B738
That's 25 big aircraft flying from Dublin to Belgium every week.
Surely 3 x A320 from Cork to Brussels is conceivable.
Okay I am biased. I am a Cork man living in Belgium. I nearly always fly to Dublin to get home and I see an important number of people from Munster on the flights. In the days of Charleroi to Shannon, half the plane used to have Cork as final destination from what I could see. I regularly have friends from Cork needing to come to Belgium for work. Pharmaceutical and telecommunication business links are not the only ones. Think of all the Munster people working for the European Union or for legal or lobby groups.
And then all the people like me, Munster Irish living in Belgium, and then all the Belgians living in Munster.
In 2003 Jet Magic had built up a significant customer base on Cork to Brussels by the time they went bankrupt. 99 euro tickets were few and far between. Typically it was costing almost 300 euros return.
In summer 2005 when Brussels Airlines operately Brussels to Cork 2 x weekly M--T--- in a mix of 80 and 100 seater Avro jets they had a load factor above 95% despite being very expensive and having zero marketing of the route on either side.
Aer Lingus' routes from Cork to Paris and Amsterdam are strong performers, and possibly Cork to Brussels would be a natural expansion of these routes.
An introduction of Cork to Brussels would have a negative effect on the following routes:
EI: DUB-BRU
FR: DUB-CRL
EI: ORK-AMS + KL: AMS-BRU + KL: AMS-LUX
EI: ORK-CDG
EI: ORK-LHR + BA: LHR-BRU + BA: LHR-LUX
FR: DUB-EIN
EI: DUS-DUB
FR: HHN-KIR
etc etc
Any new route will have a negative effect on an airlines' existing routes. But I am convinced that there is strong demand for Cork to Brussels.
Last edited by Charlie Roy; 17th Dec 2011 at 12:48.