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Think putting an ATR rather than an Airbus320 on the Brussels route is more realistic than optimistic I'd say. An extra Aer Arann ATR in Cork next summer is a possibility.
The Geneva route has always perfomed well for Aer Lingus since its inception a few years ago and as someone who has been on this service several times, there are as many Swiss & French passengers on board as there are Irish.
The Geneva route has always perfomed well for Aer Lingus since its inception a few years ago and as someone who has been on this service several times, there are as many Swiss & French passengers on board as there are Irish.
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It was actually proposed at one stage this year to increase the Geneva service to 3 times a week this winter but somehow it was changed to a weekly service.
Every time I've been on board the past few years, the flight has pretty full..enough said.
Every time I've been on board the past few years, the flight has pretty full..enough said.
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Yes but CCR its pretty clear they view it as a Winter Ski destination ''enough said'' loads may be good and i've seen flights go out full nearly every Saturday last Winter but they go out full with skier's i've seen a few Swiss pax but very low numbers of them its mostly Irish pax to be frank i see Aer Lingus re-launching either Berlin/Madrid/Prague to a lessor extent Brussels, Frankfurt or Zürich. The reason i would choose Zürich over Geneva in the Summer months is the number of Swiss Business men and families in the Zürich region appeal to European carriers for European City Breaks paticularly during the months of May, June, July to a lessor extent August the peak Summer Sun getaway for Swiss nationals to Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, USA, Asia etc...
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The Mrs and I flew on the Geneva over four sectors over the last few years. Loads were good on all flights. Once a week last winter and the coming season is a total disappointment. I would not wish the M8 drive to connect with the DUB-GVA on anyone - you would want to have your head examined to go down that track.
When there are three aeroplanes rather than four at Cork over the winter schedule the above is bound to happen. Scarce resources and all that.
The highlight of the year so far for me during Cork's 50th anniversary celebrations (!) has been the visit of the four survey aircraft over the course of the weekend. Two Rockwell Commander AC-690s, one Cessna 340 and a Swearingen Merlin III of Aerodata Surveys arrived at Cork on Saturday between 1330 and 1530. In the fine and sunny afternoon these four arrivals were an exotic sight to behold at Cork. The four aeroplanes overnighted and went off again on Sunday morning on survey work and returned again around 1400 hrs to again overnight and they are due to leave us sometime tomorrow.
Real class.
When there are three aeroplanes rather than four at Cork over the winter schedule the above is bound to happen. Scarce resources and all that.
The highlight of the year so far for me during Cork's 50th anniversary celebrations (!) has been the visit of the four survey aircraft over the course of the weekend. Two Rockwell Commander AC-690s, one Cessna 340 and a Swearingen Merlin III of Aerodata Surveys arrived at Cork on Saturday between 1330 and 1530. In the fine and sunny afternoon these four arrivals were an exotic sight to behold at Cork. The four aeroplanes overnighted and went off again on Sunday morning on survey work and returned again around 1400 hrs to again overnight and they are due to leave us sometime tomorrow.
Real class.
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Think putting an ATR rather than an Airbus320 on the Brussels route is more realistic than optimistic I'd say.
There is evidence of demand for a Cork to Brussels route if you look at the August 11th poll on Cork Airport's Face-book page:
Cork Airport - Airport - Cork, Ireland | Facebook
However I do expect the gap in the schedule will be filled with Berlin or Madrid.
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Jet Magic operated the route to Brussels on an Embraer 145 and failed.
Just saying that in the present climate, a new route to Brussels could be served by an ATR and if successful, the frequency could be increased as happened when Aer Lingus transferred the Manchester and Birmingham routes to Aer Arann/Aer Lingus Regional.
In the long run, maybe an A319/320 could be used but it would undermine the existing EI Amsterdam route somewhat.
Just saying that in the present climate, a new route to Brussels could be served by an ATR and if successful, the frequency could be increased as happened when Aer Lingus transferred the Manchester and Birmingham routes to Aer Arann/Aer Lingus Regional.
In the long run, maybe an A319/320 could be used but it would undermine the existing EI Amsterdam route somewhat.
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jetmagic never flew to Brussels.why do people say it would dilute Amsterdam numbers?surely a seperate and mostly connecting Market?Brussels airlines operated to cork twice weekly about 5 years ago during the summer and loads were very good I believe.
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Jetmagic did operate to Brussels - twice daily at one point.
As for the Amsterdam claim, as a former heavy user of the ORK-AMS route, I can give some anecdotal evidence.
Judging from what I would see in Schiphol train station, I reckon 10-15 people a flight were getting off and taking the train to Antwerp or Brussels. That's quite a chunk to lose in terms of viability. What's more is that they were often the business travellers who would be flying every week and not paying rock-bottom fares.
I don't think it's possible to get stats on usage, but I would imagine flying to Schiphol and getting the train down is currently the most common way to get to Brussels. Some will fly to Paris and get the train up; some will connect in London; some will fly from Dublin, so various routes get slightly affected, but I think ORK-AMS would be the most heavily affected.
On a side note, I would personally prefer Frankfurt to Brussels as a new route
- It serves an area that is currently tricky to get to
- It offers connections that aren't available from LHR, AMS or CDG
I've had to travel to Austria (Graz) for work a number of times lately and that has effectively meant overnighting in Dublin before the early flight to Frankfurt.
The problem is that it would only really work with Lufthansa overnighting a plane and when they're not serving bigger airports like Bristol and Newcastle, which also have more business users, it's hard to see them opting to do that in Cork.
As for the Amsterdam claim, as a former heavy user of the ORK-AMS route, I can give some anecdotal evidence.
Judging from what I would see in Schiphol train station, I reckon 10-15 people a flight were getting off and taking the train to Antwerp or Brussels. That's quite a chunk to lose in terms of viability. What's more is that they were often the business travellers who would be flying every week and not paying rock-bottom fares.
I don't think it's possible to get stats on usage, but I would imagine flying to Schiphol and getting the train down is currently the most common way to get to Brussels. Some will fly to Paris and get the train up; some will connect in London; some will fly from Dublin, so various routes get slightly affected, but I think ORK-AMS would be the most heavily affected.
On a side note, I would personally prefer Frankfurt to Brussels as a new route
- It serves an area that is currently tricky to get to
- It offers connections that aren't available from LHR, AMS or CDG
I've had to travel to Austria (Graz) for work a number of times lately and that has effectively meant overnighting in Dublin before the early flight to Frankfurt.
The problem is that it would only really work with Lufthansa overnighting a plane and when they're not serving bigger airports like Bristol and Newcastle, which also have more business users, it's hard to see them opting to do that in Cork.
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EI840 DEP ORK 06:00 ARR AMS 08:45 MTWTFSS
EI841 DEP AMS 09:25 ARR ORK 10:10 MTWTFSS
EIXXX DEP ORK XX:XX ARR XXX XX:XX M-W-F--
EIXXX DEP XXX XX:XX ARR ORK XX:XX M-W-F--
EI844 DEP ORK 17:10 ARR AMS 19:55 MTWTFSS
EI845 DEP AMS 20:40 ARR ORK 21:25 MTWTFSS
EI841 DEP AMS 09:25 ARR ORK 10:10 MTWTFSS
EIXXX DEP ORK XX:XX ARR XXX XX:XX M-W-F--
EIXXX DEP XXX XX:XX ARR ORK XX:XX M-W-F--
EI844 DEP ORK 17:10 ARR AMS 19:55 MTWTFSS
EI845 DEP AMS 20:40 ARR ORK 21:25 MTWTFSS
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Would be great if ORK got FRA but I think that those will be used for DUB as all LH have done over the last year was to contuine to increase FRA and sure EI would like to do the same but I do hope ORK gets the slots.
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On the other hand, operating from Cork should ensure that they get most of the business from the South of the country ang increase their overall Market share. It'll be interesting if they enter into an interline agreement with LH or just operate it as a point to point service. Of course getting slots is no guarentee that they'll go ahead with a service.
They came close to launching this route on two previous occasions but it didn't materialise.
They came close to launching this route on two previous occasions but it didn't materialise.
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Berlin is to far away to operate a return leg wihin those slots. I'd like to see it backbut they couldn't make it work even at the tail
end of the boom. Please not another Sun and Sand route!
end of the boom. Please not another Sun and Sand route!
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EI Crimbo flights
A321 will operate LHR route from Wed 21st 725 to Sat 24th 715.
Extra A320 on 21st(Dublin based - I'm on it).
11 rtn flights or 22 rotations with A321 increase pax capacity from 3,828(A320) to 4,664(A321) an increase of 836 seats available plus 174 for extra flight = 1,010. 505 extra seats available each way to LHR, almost equal to 3 extra flights to LHR in total.
Extra A320 on 21st(Dublin based - I'm on it).
11 rtn flights or 22 rotations with A321 increase pax capacity from 3,828(A320) to 4,664(A321) an increase of 836 seats available plus 174 for extra flight = 1,010. 505 extra seats available each way to LHR, almost equal to 3 extra flights to LHR in total.
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Berlin is to far away to operate a return leg wihin those slots. I'd like to see it backbut they couldn't make it work even at the tail
end of the boom. Please not another Sun and Sand route!
end of the boom. Please not another Sun and Sand route!
EI834 DEP ORK 10:50 ARR SXF 14:20 M-W-F--
EI835 DEP SXF 15:00 ARR ORK 16:35 M-W-F--
So Berlin is still a contender along with FRA, MAD, BRU, ZRH, PRG. Just to point out the new Berlin Brandenburg Airport is located at Schönefeld so the times would not really change unless traffic restrictions are included.