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^^U wish! 
As 2 one of they above comments regarding Aer Lingus service i have to say.... that your are totally incorrect!
The reason Aer Lingus' attracks so much custom is due to their service they havnt grown the reputation of Ireland's Premier Airline for nothing!!
As 2 one of they above comments regarding Aer Lingus service i have to say.... that your are totally incorrect!
The reason Aer Lingus' attracks so much custom is due to their service they havnt grown the reputation of Ireland's Premier Airline for nothing!!
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Ireland's Premier airline? According to whom? Aer Lingus stopped being a 'premier' airline a long time ago.
Anyway, regardless of those facts, I will always try and fly AL unless A: They are too expensive (which is most of the time on Transatlantic Routes - and you can check that with a number of sources) and B :Their service isn't particularly good - like not having individual AVOD. They must remain the only major long haul carrier not to have seat back AVOD in all their aircraft.
I'd be interested to see what would happen their passenger numbers if there was no pre-clearance in Dublin.
Anyway, regardless of those facts, I will always try and fly AL unless A: They are too expensive (which is most of the time on Transatlantic Routes - and you can check that with a number of sources) and B :Their service isn't particularly good - like not having individual AVOD. They must remain the only major long haul carrier not to have seat back AVOD in all their aircraft.
I'd be interested to see what would happen their passenger numbers if there was no pre-clearance in Dublin.
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Ireland's Premier airline? According to whom? Aer Lingus stopped being a 'premier' airline a long time ago.
Anyway, regardless of those facts, I will always try and fly AL unless A: They are too expensive (which is most of the time on Transatlantic Routes - and you can check that with a number of sources) and B :Their service isn't particularly good - like not having individual AVOD. They must remain the only major long haul carrier not to have seat back AVOD in all their aircraft.
I'd be interested to see what would happen their passenger numbers if there was no pre-clearance in Dublin.
I think you'll find that each aircraft has individual AVOD now.
Anyway, regardless of those facts, I will always try and fly AL unless A: They are too expensive (which is most of the time on Transatlantic Routes - and you can check that with a number of sources) and B :Their service isn't particularly good - like not having individual AVOD. They must remain the only major long haul carrier not to have seat back AVOD in all their aircraft.
I'd be interested to see what would happen their passenger numbers if there was no pre-clearance in Dublin.
I think you'll find that each aircraft has individual AVOD now.
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Transatlantic feasibility
See multiple comments on this subject over the past couple of years on this thread- it arises every so often and the same old pros and cons are trotted out each time.
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Ok, aside from the Pros and Cons argument, is there a valid operational argument as to why a service could not operate?
In addition, do Cork airport actually put a figure on the number of people within the airport catchment area that use Shannon or a feeder flight to get to the US? For example, do they believe that 25,000 per annum people might avail of such a service?
In addition, do Cork airport actually put a figure on the number of people within the airport catchment area that use Shannon or a feeder flight to get to the US? For example, do they believe that 25,000 per annum people might avail of such a service?
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To be honest, 'm a lot less optimistic about getting TA services out of Cork now. Considering Bristol, with a much bigger catchment couldn't keep its service, it's hard to see what hope for Cork.
As for operational argument, the main one is that the only really suitable aircraft is the 757 and that's not made any more. The only other real alternative seems to be the 737-900ER (the 767 and A330, which could operate off Cork's runway look too big), but does anyone know which US-based airlines have them available to launch a service. Probably just Continental/United, who are the very airline that pulled out of Bristol.
As for operational argument, the main one is that the only really suitable aircraft is the 757 and that's not made any more. The only other real alternative seems to be the 737-900ER (the 767 and A330, which could operate off Cork's runway look too big), but does anyone know which US-based airlines have them available to launch a service. Probably just Continental/United, who are the very airline that pulled out of Bristol.
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Incidentally, I recommend keeping an eye on the Air Southwest thread. While, they only delivers around 10,000 passengers last year, it would be unfortunate to lose another airline.
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Any update as to when EI - ORK (FULL) timetable will be released it was always usually round the end of May i.e. 2008 - 28/05 ??
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I understand your points but the reputation EI have grown since April 1935 cannot be matched ! But in every ''Irish'' persons heart they're the airline to fly with a chance to fly with EI -v- FR usually wins out !
Fruitnfibre....
I understand your points but the reputation EI have grown since April 1935 cannot be matched ! But in every ''Irish'' persons heart they're the airline to fly with a chance to fly with EI -v- FR usually wins out !
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To be honest, 'm a lot less optimistic about getting TA services out of Cork now. Considering Bristol, with a much bigger catchment couldn't keep its service, it's hard to see what hope for Cork.
Besides that FlyGlobespan did well on Knock NewYork and Boston, apparently the Liverpool piece of the route was very poor and this meant that the route never got a second summer.
In time when this recession lifts and the airports go into investment mode again we might see some link with JFK or Boston, a nicely kitted out 320 on a daily rotation would work!!!
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Problem is EI-BUD, even with 'heratige links' routes can still struggle.
Look at DUB, its just lost its AA flight for the winter, so cork may have to wait on the backburners for a while yet.
Look at DUB, its just lost its AA flight for the winter, so cork may have to wait on the backburners for a while yet.
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Yes thats true but that doesnt mean that a say 4 times a week flight to NYC or BOS couldnt work.
I suppose the bigger challenge at this time is that the TA routes are not very profitable for many reasons, so that may be the biggest barrier, the yield not too great.
I think Cork will gets its own TA route in the next few years, maybe Ryanair will do a 738 on SNN USA route in avoidance of SNN as a test case!!!!! Wouldnt that be a surprise.
Sad to hear AA pulling the winter flight hadnt heard that.
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Yes thats true but that doesnt mean that a say 4 times a week flight to NYC or BOS couldnt work.
I suppose the bigger challenge at this time is that the TA routes are not very profitable for many reasons, so that may be the biggest barrier, the yield not too great.
I think Cork will gets its own TA route in the next few years, maybe Ryanair will do a 738 on SNN USA route in avoidance of SNN as a test case!!!!! Wouldnt that be a surprise.
Sad to hear AA pulling the winter flight hadnt heard that.
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Originally Posted by dublinaviator
You must be flying a different Aer Lingus to one I'm thinking of because the last time I flew long-haul with them they were cheap yeh, but their service was shockin and the crew were the most obnoxious people I've ever come across.
p.s. They would certainly have flown TA into Cork, had it been available.
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Quote "Besides that FlyGlobespan did well on Knock NewYork and Boston, apparently the Liverpool piece of the route was very poor and this meant that the route never got a second summer."
The numbers mentioned in the press at the time were 35,000 carried and 80% LF NOC JFK 3x weekly on a B752, 75% BOS 2x weekly on a B738 from May-September 07. Not sure how that was broken down with LPL pax, but were it not for the airlines serious failings it looked like the route could have been sustained, seasonally at least.
I wonder if a similar shared routing from ORK would work...ORK-NOC-JFK- NOC-ORK, with the benefits higher loads and the longer NOC runway for the transatlantic leg?
The numbers mentioned in the press at the time were 35,000 carried and 80% LF NOC JFK 3x weekly on a B752, 75% BOS 2x weekly on a B738 from May-September 07. Not sure how that was broken down with LPL pax, but were it not for the airlines serious failings it looked like the route could have been sustained, seasonally at least.
I wonder if a similar shared routing from ORK would work...ORK-NOC-JFK- NOC-ORK, with the benefits higher loads and the longer NOC runway for the transatlantic leg?
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ORK-NOC-JFK-NOC-ORK would work fine no doubt but in the right economic climate which is not currently there alas and the runway issue pops up to say hello yet again.
Cork is always up against it and will never be able to give anything ambitious a good go and certainly not with the double whammy of DAAAAAAaaaaaa and snnnnn lurking in the background wanting to suck it's life blood not to say anything about the first class aviation geniuses that manage Cork Airport. The place has bled passengers hand over fist in the last year or so yet if there are a few full flights going out together of an early morning it is in meltdown. You should see it! Guess it would be easier to lose a few more flights - things would then run better.
It would be less embarrassing than loafing around in dayglo jackets stalking passengers anyway. Cork could easily have flights to New York, Istanbul, Lagos but it would never be allowed to keep them. The reason Istanbul is mentioned is because of the Turkish Airlines connections to Asia making it easier for Cork and Munster based Asian people to get home without the securicrat intimidation of Heathrow and Lagos because of the West African people now living locally in Ireland. New York is probably more obvious though yield would be probably poor and may not last for very long but a few seasons would be okay as a novelty for the Cork passengers.
Cork is always up against it and will never be able to give anything ambitious a good go and certainly not with the double whammy of DAAAAAAaaaaaa and snnnnn lurking in the background wanting to suck it's life blood not to say anything about the first class aviation geniuses that manage Cork Airport. The place has bled passengers hand over fist in the last year or so yet if there are a few full flights going out together of an early morning it is in meltdown. You should see it! Guess it would be easier to lose a few more flights - things would then run better.
It would be less embarrassing than loafing around in dayglo jackets stalking passengers anyway. Cork could easily have flights to New York, Istanbul, Lagos but it would never be allowed to keep them. The reason Istanbul is mentioned is because of the Turkish Airlines connections to Asia making it easier for Cork and Munster based Asian people to get home without the securicrat intimidation of Heathrow and Lagos because of the West African people now living locally in Ireland. New York is probably more obvious though yield would be probably poor and may not last for very long but a few seasons would be okay as a novelty for the Cork passengers.
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its also returing to profitability in Q1 2011 
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Well profitability in 2011 was mentioned a few days ago in an interview with Christoph Mueller and although I can see San Francisco returning I'm not so sure about Washington as Enda Corneille pretty much admitted that Aer Lingus didn't see any demand for the route in either winter or summer so pretty much ruled it out.
Also remember that United and Continental are set to merge, Continental management will be taking control of the merged airline and they have their own interests to look after with Continental's Irish routes which do very well so I'm not sure they'd be interested in continuing a partnership with a rival such as Aer Lingus. The merger could be many months away and even once its completed there are bigger issues to deal with but the Aer Lingus/United partnership will have to be addressed.
What it all means for Cork? Very little in my opinion. It's a profitable short haul base for Aer Lingus I don't see them wanting to change that any time soon.
Also remember that United and Continental are set to merge, Continental management will be taking control of the merged airline and they have their own interests to look after with Continental's Irish routes which do very well so I'm not sure they'd be interested in continuing a partnership with a rival such as Aer Lingus. The merger could be many months away and even once its completed there are bigger issues to deal with but the Aer Lingus/United partnership will have to be addressed.
What it all means for Cork? Very little in my opinion. It's a profitable short haul base for Aer Lingus I don't see them wanting to change that any time soon.