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Ryanair would only be worried about the terminal if it impacted turnaround times or cost them increased fees. They'd be happy with a runway and a portakabin (some would argue that's what they've got).
The guys up north clearly don't worry about bad publicity from BOH - they've got bigger fish to fry.
The guys up north clearly don't worry about bad publicity from BOH - they've got bigger fish to fry.
not at HUY the fish flights went to EMA at that`s were it will stay
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Bournemouth Airport has been a "standing joke" for many years! In fact it has never had any facilities that could ever cope with much more than one or two 737s at a time. Nobody seems to be in a rush today to rectify that either! Compared to any other regional airports like Southampton, Exeter or Bristol for example it is a complete shambles!!! If Ryanair do decide to base even three or four 737s at BOH, add the Palmair 737 and the Thompson 737 and that's potentially 1000 passengers in and out of departures / arrivals at roughly the same time which doesn't bear thinking about and possibly 3 million passengers a year. BOH aren't planning for these kind of numbers for another 15 years!!! They don't seem to have a clue! As for better road links, airport hotels, etc, these aren't even on the agenda in the next 15 years!!! They seem more interested in shafting the "aviation museum" and displacing a few light aircraft than getting on with the real job of expanding the airport!!!
Come on Manchester Airport Group - sort this mess out!!!
Come on Manchester Airport Group - sort this mess out!!!
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Interesting view...
BOH can and has coped with 3 737s arriving at the same time on plenty of occasions. It depends on what you mean by 'cope with'. I mean pax are delivered and aircraft turned around within the published schedule. I'm sure that arrivals feels pretty cramped to those pax, but hey, that's what you get when you fly LCC. I for one think that the quick exit to the car afterwards more than makes up for it!
You compare SOU to BOH. BAA spent (if I recall their figures correctly) £25m on SOU and you can only just about fly a 737 in and out because of the runway length. The terminal is much newer and shinier than BOH but the facilities are not markedly better, and arrivals is smaller. BRS is a significantly bigger airport - hardly a good comparison. Exeter is nice but BOH has managed to achieve the same pax numbers without lots of investment - so why would the owners pump money in?
BOH can and has coped with 3 737s arriving at the same time on plenty of occasions. It depends on what you mean by 'cope with'. I mean pax are delivered and aircraft turned around within the published schedule. I'm sure that arrivals feels pretty cramped to those pax, but hey, that's what you get when you fly LCC. I for one think that the quick exit to the car afterwards more than makes up for it!
You compare SOU to BOH. BAA spent (if I recall their figures correctly) £25m on SOU and you can only just about fly a 737 in and out because of the runway length. The terminal is much newer and shinier than BOH but the facilities are not markedly better, and arrivals is smaller. BRS is a significantly bigger airport - hardly a good comparison. Exeter is nice but BOH has managed to achieve the same pax numbers without lots of investment - so why would the owners pump money in?
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Leave it as it is...I,m in and out of arrivals and in my car in 5 minutes...who wants another shopping mall ..forget it...and at least the loads aren't that high, you don't even have to waste money on prority boarding. £38 return to Pisa inc taxes...jeez you could pay that on a coffee and car parking at a B.A.A airport ! Best kept secret is BOH
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Bournemouth Airport
How about this;Two B737 Flights Checking in simultaneously recently and Passengers took 1 Hour to clear through Outbound Security.....also from a well respected Airline Rep; On many Summer Weekends, Passengers are queing out of the main Terminal doors and onto the pavement to Check-in....Hope it wasn't raining ...... Happy Landings
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Muppets for avin luggage..thats all I can say
What is it with the coffin dodgers that they have to pack rich tea biscuits, pg tips and a coat just in case it gets cold !
garlic bread, its the future, im telling you.
Thank god most of em are flying on the coal burning Palmair Pensioner 737's
......remove all lose items ...can you imagine all those dentures...don't even go there....
What is it with the coffin dodgers that they have to pack rich tea biscuits, pg tips and a coat just in case it gets cold !
garlic bread, its the future, im telling you.
Thank god most of em are flying on the coal burning Palmair Pensioner 737's
......remove all lose items ...can you imagine all those dentures...don't even go there....
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Thank god most of em are flying on the coal burning Palmair Pensioner 737's
Palmair European has a member of staff who greets every single passenger and draws up the seating plans from her kitchen table the night before departures. The airline flies its 34-year-old Boeing 737 no more than twice-a-day yet beat off multi-national rivals Virgin Atlantic and British Airways in the poll.
Some 70,000 passengers were asked to vote the best overall experience and value for money of 70 worldwide airlines by consumer magazine Which? They were asked to rate the cleanliness of the aeroplanes, the amount of leg-room, catering quality and the cabin crew performance.
Palmair, which has just 70,000 passengers a year, came in joint third position with Air New Zealand and behind Jet Airways and survey winner Singapore Airlines. It also came in first place for the short haul airline category.....
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Orac, I would guess that the profile of a Which magazine reader is someone who lives in a bungalow in Barton on sea and drives a Honda automatic, which often ends up in the front window of a hairdressers ?
Whilst you can't knock em for trying, do you really want to be met by a grinning Peter Bath at the steps?
I personally prefer a young East European hard cash hostie any day, more pleasing on the eye and they don't arf look good in a bikini. Miss July in Pikeyairs' on board magazine is a stunna !
Think you will find that European won't have much choice in looking for newer/old equipment, what with the noise and emissions from those scuttle bucket JT8's..the time must be coming...to purchase some MD83's ??
PS Hit the tarmac at BOH this morning from PSA and was in the car in 4 minutes after swerving past a couple of hip replacements...marvelous,
G+T anyone.
Whilst you can't knock em for trying, do you really want to be met by a grinning Peter Bath at the steps?
I personally prefer a young East European hard cash hostie any day, more pleasing on the eye and they don't arf look good in a bikini. Miss July in Pikeyairs' on board magazine is a stunna !
Think you will find that European won't have much choice in looking for newer/old equipment, what with the noise and emissions from those scuttle bucket JT8's..the time must be coming...to purchase some MD83's ??
PS Hit the tarmac at BOH this morning from PSA and was in the car in 4 minutes after swerving past a couple of hip replacements...marvelous,
G+T anyone.
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Rare visitor????
Heard a rumour flying about today that there may be a visit soon by a certain delta winged V-bomber, maybe to get some avionics work done by someone based at Hurn........ 
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Say what you will about Palmair, and yes I have used Easy, Ryan and Thomson and have no complaints, but Palmair is a breath of fresh air in comparison. Rather than a means to an end, flying with them becomes a part of your holiday, yes I am 58, but hopefully so will you be one day and maybe then your opinions will change. Also on the flights we have been on there has also been the much younger element that truly seem to enjoy and appreciate the difference.
Say what you will about Palmair, and yes I have used Easy, Ryan and Thomson and have no complaints, but Palmair is a breath of fresh air in comparison. Rather than a means to an end, flying with them becomes a part of your holiday, yes I am 58, but hopefully so will you be one day and maybe then your opinions will change. Also on the flights we have been on there has also been the much younger element that truly seem to enjoy and appreciate the difference.
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Bournemouth handled an impressive 99 , 093 passengers in May up 5 % on last years figure
Ryanair load factors on some of there new routes were as follows
Nantes 48 %
Marseille 50 %
Prestwick 51 % double daily now
Pisa 65 %
Wroclaw 65 %
Dublin 76 %
Murcia 77 %
Gerona 79 %
All the Spanish routes operated by Thomsonfly , Palmair and Ryanair performed well which is good news , definate continued demand there
Wizz are cutting back 1 of there flights this winter and have changed the days they operate as well
Monday 0745 0815
Friday 0745 0815
Ryanair load factors on some of there new routes were as follows
Nantes 48 %
Marseille 50 %
Prestwick 51 % double daily now
Pisa 65 %
Wroclaw 65 %
Dublin 76 %
Murcia 77 %
Gerona 79 %
All the Spanish routes operated by Thomsonfly , Palmair and Ryanair performed well which is good news , definate continued demand there
Wizz are cutting back 1 of there flights this winter and have changed the days they operate as well
Monday 0745 0815
Friday 0745 0815
Anyone else amused by the national press stories that
Palmair is "the world's 3rd best airline" after a survey
carried out by an obscure magazine in a small island
off the European coast?
How can journo's print that rubbish? (rhetorical question) 'ZG
Palmair is "the world's 3rd best airline" after a survey
carried out by an obscure magazine in a small island
off the European coast?
How can journo's print that rubbish? (rhetorical question) 'ZG
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Your load factors are a little on the low side.
BOH-PIK is operated 12 times weekly, not 14. So load factor is in fact 66%.
BOH-NTE 56%
BOH-PSA 78%
BOH-WRO 75%
Ryanair can make routes contribute at between 49 and 55% depending on trip length.
Your load factors are a little on the low side.
BOH-PIK is operated 12 times weekly, not 14. So load factor is in fact 66%.
BOH-NTE 56%
BOH-PSA 78%
BOH-WRO 75%
Ryanair can make routes contribute at between 49 and 55% depending on trip length.
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BOH Security
Caught this on local TV News this morning
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/7468699.stm
Airport 'vulnerable' to intrusion
Broken sections of perimeter fencing are covered in plastic mesh
One of the UK's fastest growing regional airports is "vulnerable" to intrusion and has no permanent police team, a BBC investigation has revealed.
Annual passenger numbers at Bournemouth Airport in Dorset are one million and could reach three million by 2014.
But at a time when the national terror threat level is "severe", the airport has gaps in its perimeter fencing.
An airport spokesman said security was its "highest priority" and it had a range of non-visible measures.
A BBC South Today examination of perimeter fencing at the airport showed stretches where it had collapsed had been covered in loose plastic, and in places at the back of the airport, was non-existent.
Terrorism expert Professor Frank Gregory, of the University of Southampton, said: "I see the airport as being vulnerable to a number of intrusions - for a whole variety of purposes, protests etc - and I am surprised there is not a consistent standard of barrier around the whole perimeter."
There are nine designated airports in UK where operators have to pay for policing - they are the larger ones categorised by the government and include Gatwick and Heathrow, but not Bournemouth.
There is no specific security threat to Bournemouth Airport and, although police do carry out regular patrols around the terminal and the airport perimeter, there is no permanent police presence.
Insp Andy Earley, of Dorset Police, said: "We will increase our numbers proportionate to the number of passengers.
"What I'd like to do is move towards neighbourhood policing, looking to police the airport as a community on its own.
"That would allow us to actually to take a greater ownership of the airport and understand what the concerns are of everybody in that community and to ensure that we know if something's out of place."
The Department for Transport has overall responsibility of UK aviation security and is responsible for setting, monitoring and enforcing the National Aviation Security Programme.
Any new or extra policing would have to be funded by Dorset tax payers, but there are calls for the airport's private operator to help pay for officers.
Clive Chamberlain, the chairman of the Dorset Police Federation, said: "The money being provided by central government is diminishing at a time when the airport is becoming busier.
"My belief is that funding should come partly from the people who run the airports, because they're the people making a profit out of what they're doing, it's a private company."
MAG Regional Airports, which owns and operates Bournemouth Airport, said the cost of responding to the threat of international terrorism should be funded by central government.
In a statement, the company said: "The security of passengers, staff and businesses operating at the airport is our highest priority.
"The demanding security regime we follow is laid down by government and we bear all the cost of implementing these regulations ourselves.
"Since 9/11, the cost to the UK aviation industry of increased security has risen by 150%.
"We have a long-established and positive working relationship with Dorset police and, like all businesses in the county, already pay for local policing through business rates.
"We believe it is unfair that the aviation industry alone should bear the cost of responding to the threat of international terrorism, neither should the local force - it should be centrally funded."
On the level of its fencing, MAG Regional Airports said the redevelopment of Bournemouth Airport would provide the opportunity to renew fencing as part of facility improvements and "not driven by the requirements of the security regime".
It added: "The requirements for fencing are dictated by the Department for Transport and depend on the level of security required.
"However, fencing is only one manifestation of the security regime.
"Besides fencing, a range of non-visible security measures are in place to ensure security of an airfield and the protection of passengers and aircraft according to strict government regulations."
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BOH does have a very long perimeter to fence/ monitor - but how much of a deterrent is fencing really to terrorists or protestors?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/7468699.stm
Airport 'vulnerable' to intrusion
Broken sections of perimeter fencing are covered in plastic mesh
One of the UK's fastest growing regional airports is "vulnerable" to intrusion and has no permanent police team, a BBC investigation has revealed.
Annual passenger numbers at Bournemouth Airport in Dorset are one million and could reach three million by 2014.
But at a time when the national terror threat level is "severe", the airport has gaps in its perimeter fencing.
An airport spokesman said security was its "highest priority" and it had a range of non-visible measures.
A BBC South Today examination of perimeter fencing at the airport showed stretches where it had collapsed had been covered in loose plastic, and in places at the back of the airport, was non-existent.
Terrorism expert Professor Frank Gregory, of the University of Southampton, said: "I see the airport as being vulnerable to a number of intrusions - for a whole variety of purposes, protests etc - and I am surprised there is not a consistent standard of barrier around the whole perimeter."
There are nine designated airports in UK where operators have to pay for policing - they are the larger ones categorised by the government and include Gatwick and Heathrow, but not Bournemouth.
There is no specific security threat to Bournemouth Airport and, although police do carry out regular patrols around the terminal and the airport perimeter, there is no permanent police presence.
Insp Andy Earley, of Dorset Police, said: "We will increase our numbers proportionate to the number of passengers.
"What I'd like to do is move towards neighbourhood policing, looking to police the airport as a community on its own.
"That would allow us to actually to take a greater ownership of the airport and understand what the concerns are of everybody in that community and to ensure that we know if something's out of place."
The Department for Transport has overall responsibility of UK aviation security and is responsible for setting, monitoring and enforcing the National Aviation Security Programme.
Any new or extra policing would have to be funded by Dorset tax payers, but there are calls for the airport's private operator to help pay for officers.
Clive Chamberlain, the chairman of the Dorset Police Federation, said: "The money being provided by central government is diminishing at a time when the airport is becoming busier.
"My belief is that funding should come partly from the people who run the airports, because they're the people making a profit out of what they're doing, it's a private company."
MAG Regional Airports, which owns and operates Bournemouth Airport, said the cost of responding to the threat of international terrorism should be funded by central government.
In a statement, the company said: "The security of passengers, staff and businesses operating at the airport is our highest priority.
"The demanding security regime we follow is laid down by government and we bear all the cost of implementing these regulations ourselves.
"Since 9/11, the cost to the UK aviation industry of increased security has risen by 150%.
"We have a long-established and positive working relationship with Dorset police and, like all businesses in the county, already pay for local policing through business rates.
"We believe it is unfair that the aviation industry alone should bear the cost of responding to the threat of international terrorism, neither should the local force - it should be centrally funded."
On the level of its fencing, MAG Regional Airports said the redevelopment of Bournemouth Airport would provide the opportunity to renew fencing as part of facility improvements and "not driven by the requirements of the security regime".
It added: "The requirements for fencing are dictated by the Department for Transport and depend on the level of security required.
"However, fencing is only one manifestation of the security regime.
"Besides fencing, a range of non-visible security measures are in place to ensure security of an airfield and the protection of passengers and aircraft according to strict government regulations."
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BOH does have a very long perimeter to fence/ monitor - but how much of a deterrent is fencing really to terrorists or protestors?
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BOH - PIK is operated 14 times a week. The service has been double daily since 3rd April. Check the FR website if you don't believe me. Flew up on saturday for the day and flights were virtually full both ways.
This winter will see 13 flights per week with only one on a saturday.
Can't wait for work to start on the actual building of the terminal. It seems to have been at the same stage now for over 3 months.
BOH - PIK is operated 14 times a week. The service has been double daily since 3rd April. Check the FR website if you don't believe me. Flew up on saturday for the day and flights were virtually full both ways.
This winter will see 13 flights per week with only one on a saturday.
Can't wait for work to start on the actual building of the terminal. It seems to have been at the same stage now for over 3 months.
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Protestors are less likely to encroach on the airfield if they are confronted with a 9ft fence topped with razor wire. The areas at the end of the runway where there is little or no perimeter fence is a disgrace and is an open invitation to terrorrists/protestors who might otherwise be deterred by a large fence.
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Really?
The most recent protest I can remember was at Heathrow which has excellent fencing, but didn't stop protestors getting on top of a plane.
If anyone is determined to get onto an airfield how much planning does bringing a pair of wirecutters need?
The issue about permanent police presence is in my opinion a more sensible one, but at the end of the day the cost will get measured against the risks facing a small regional airport.
I think it's press scaremongering of the sort that the tabloids and Channel 4 love to indulge in.
The most recent protest I can remember was at Heathrow which has excellent fencing, but didn't stop protestors getting on top of a plane.
If anyone is determined to get onto an airfield how much planning does bringing a pair of wirecutters need?
The issue about permanent police presence is in my opinion a more sensible one, but at the end of the day the cost will get measured against the risks facing a small regional airport.
I think it's press scaremongering of the sort that the tabloids and Channel 4 love to indulge in.