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It is threads and topics like this that I love, because it shows the very little business sense that some people have. Operating from IOM is not a game, it is business.
Flybe will enter a market where they feel there is adequate share. Despite what Jetstreamtechrecords may think, they wont just go in with the intention to kick another carrier off as there would be too much risk at running to a loss to begin with - they would only go in if they felt there were sufficient passenger numbers to start with.
BE have operated to and from BHX from the Island for a very long time so I hardly think that is a very good example, for your argument against Flybe. SOU still operates - it is not a primary business route and therefore operates to a leisure timetable (IE not daily, only certain days of the week)
To my knowledge, it was not the airport that had anything to do with the DHSS decision to go to BE. This was based on cost and I am sure the DHSS can make up their own mind.
I completely agree with the poster which said Manx2 would operate the thinner routes and BE the trunk routes. I dont think Manx2 have anything to worry about, right now BE have their eyes on bigger fish and they are on the mainland........someone that doesn't operate into IOM. Ooopss sorry that doesn't narrow it down much does it, not many carriers go there.
Flybe will enter a market where they feel there is adequate share. Despite what Jetstreamtechrecords may think, they wont just go in with the intention to kick another carrier off as there would be too much risk at running to a loss to begin with - they would only go in if they felt there were sufficient passenger numbers to start with.
BE have operated to and from BHX from the Island for a very long time so I hardly think that is a very good example, for your argument against Flybe. SOU still operates - it is not a primary business route and therefore operates to a leisure timetable (IE not daily, only certain days of the week)
To my knowledge, it was not the airport that had anything to do with the DHSS decision to go to BE. This was based on cost and I am sure the DHSS can make up their own mind.
I completely agree with the poster which said Manx2 would operate the thinner routes and BE the trunk routes. I dont think Manx2 have anything to worry about, right now BE have their eyes on bigger fish and they are on the mainland........someone that doesn't operate into IOM. Ooopss sorry that doesn't narrow it down much does it, not many carriers go there.
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Logiebear pulling off BHD 23rd October
Eastern totally out end August
It seems the IOM pax numbers as a whole are down in July and forward bookings
? Too much capacity chasing too few punters from where I sit. LPL loads are and LPL was always our core route. Lots of punters trying the new fastcraft insted
Eastern totally out end August It seems the IOM pax numbers as a whole are down in July and forward bookings
? Too much capacity chasing too few punters from where I sit. LPL loads are and LPL was always our core route. Lots of punters trying the new fastcraft insted
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True, not that the Steam Packet fares are that much cheaper....Mind you Winter will soon be around, and you can keep your boat in the seas we get!
BHX-IOM is a mature Flybe route, it was around when the Sheds did the Belfast and Blackpool runs. I doubt very much the W09 twice daily will drop back as being run from the Island it will take into account business travellers, as the change in timings is to move it into business route territory, as it's more leisure focused now.
I wonder what else they might offer up with the the spare aircraft during the day.....?
BHX-IOM is a mature Flybe route, it was around when the Sheds did the Belfast and Blackpool runs. I doubt very much the W09 twice daily will drop back as being run from the Island it will take into account business travellers, as the change in timings is to move it into business route territory, as it's more leisure focused now.
I wonder what else they might offer up with the the spare aircraft during the day.....?
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From BE website:
The new services will start their daily schedule from Birmingham however will seamlessly link into Flybe’s current Winter schedule from October 25th when the aircraft becomes Isle of Man based, meaning the services will commence from the Isle of Man.
This would suggest another aircraft unless they are dropping current routes. I dont believe the current 3 a/c would be able to accommodate the other routes unless they move say a MAN or LGW onto another based a/c (IE a LGW based or MAN based)
The new services will start their daily schedule from Birmingham however will seamlessly link into Flybe’s current Winter schedule from October 25th when the aircraft becomes Isle of Man based, meaning the services will commence from the Isle of Man.
This would suggest another aircraft unless they are dropping current routes. I dont believe the current 3 a/c would be able to accommodate the other routes unless they move say a MAN or LGW onto another based a/c (IE a LGW based or MAN based)
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W09 timetable shows early morning departures to LGW, LPL, MAN and BHX, so clearly the plan, right now is to have 4 Q400's at Ronaldsway. However it's 3 months away so anything could happen.
Second MAN rotation will be operated from MAN, as now, so difficult to see what the 4th aircraft will do between 9am and 5pm. Hot spare maybe? - IOM is a good central location to reach several key BE bases in well under an hour?
Second MAN rotation will be operated from MAN, as now, so difficult to see what the 4th aircraft will do between 9am and 5pm. Hot spare maybe? - IOM is a good central location to reach several key BE bases in well under an hour?
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Just received this thru company mail.
!NEWS! NEWS ! NEWS!
FLYBE BOOSTS MANX LINK TO BIRMINGHAM WITH NEW DAILY SERVICES
We have added three new double daily services between the Isle of Man and Birmingham on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, meaning that, effective September 2nd, Islanders will have the choice of double daily flights on every day of the week, Monday through Friday. Lead-in fares are from £29.99 one way including taxes and charges. The new services will start their daily schedule from Birmingham however will seamlessly link into Flybe’s current Winter schedule from October 25th when the aircraft becomes Isle of Man based and the services will commence from the Isle of Man.
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!NEWS! NEWS ! NEWS!
FLYBE BOOSTS MANX LINK TO BIRMINGHAM WITH NEW DAILY SERVICES
We have added three new double daily services between the Isle of Man and Birmingham on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, meaning that, effective September 2nd, Islanders will have the choice of double daily flights on every day of the week, Monday through Friday. Lead-in fares are from £29.99 one way including taxes and charges. The new services will start their daily schedule from Birmingham however will seamlessly link into Flybe’s current Winter schedule from October 25th when the aircraft becomes Isle of Man based and the services will commence from the Isle of Man.
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Strange how all the predicitions of BE cutting the route right back after Eastern haven't come to pass. It's good to see BE offering the choice to IOM pax. 
I beleive BE have also offered some of the staff affected by the Eastern closure an opputunity....
I beleive BE have also offered some of the staff affected by the Eastern closure an opputunity....
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Im sure that Manx ramper is a billionaire and would run it at a loss just for good the of the other islanders!!!..........Think you need to get out more! I'm sure they care but there is a line and if it's not making money then you have to pull off eventually cannot loose money for a sustained period or will be bust!
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I think we can all assume that FlyBe are doing very nicely on their core IOM routes, despite the economic situation. There is plenty of scope to trim the schedules on LPL, MAN and LGW if they felt they needed to, and that rarely happens, outside the quiet months of Jan. and Feb.
I guess that SOU, NQY and JER are operated on a marginal cost basis, or to position aircraft, but they seem to tick along too. If they didn't, they'd be off.
I imagine that forward booking revenue is generally healthy from IOM and good for cash flow. Lots of people here booking well ahead for school holidays, half term etc.
The patient contract will add over a £1 million to their revenues, and will add very little to their costs. They should get other additional revenue too as the patients will generate higher load factors, which will jack fares up for everyone else.
Anyway Ramper, you need to hope I'm on the right track, as no FlyBe, and no obvious Plan B = fewer flights and fewer ramp jobs, so maybe you need to get the old prayer mat out.
I guess that SOU, NQY and JER are operated on a marginal cost basis, or to position aircraft, but they seem to tick along too. If they didn't, they'd be off.
I imagine that forward booking revenue is generally healthy from IOM and good for cash flow. Lots of people here booking well ahead for school holidays, half term etc.
The patient contract will add over a £1 million to their revenues, and will add very little to their costs. They should get other additional revenue too as the patients will generate higher load factors, which will jack fares up for everyone else.
Anyway Ramper, you need to hope I'm on the right track, as no FlyBe, and no obvious Plan B = fewer flights and fewer ramp jobs, so maybe you need to get the old prayer mat out.
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Yes there are still two GHA at IOM. Airbase Flight Support and Manx Regional. As for under pressure? Does anyone know of a handling agent that isn't these days? 
As for Flybe not giving a thats your personal opinion - enjoy!
Any routes that don't make money... Probably true..
What business is going to keep doing something that loses them money?! Flybe are a commercial BUSINESS and a very good one at that. Not many other carriers are still making money in these times. Manx ramper you seem to have a sense of entitlement for IOM with regards to BE.
And not giving a is this the same reason RE have scrapped their lunchtime LCY? No because they realise a lot of traffic in August is holiday orientated and not business... exactly the same reason as VLM.... who are back on September 2nd
As for Flybe not giving a
thats your personal opinion - enjoy!Any routes that don't make money... Probably true..
What business is going to keep doing something that loses them money?! Flybe are a commercial BUSINESS and a very good one at that. Not many other carriers are still making money in these times. Manx ramper you seem to have a sense of entitlement for IOM with regards to BE.
And not giving a
is this the same reason RE have scrapped their lunchtime LCY? No because they realise a lot of traffic in August is holiday orientated and not business... exactly the same reason as VLM.... who are back on September 2nd
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Eastern just confirmed they are exiting IOM totally
Airline to cease Manx operations later this month
Published online at 04/08/2009 17:06:58
Eastern Airways has confirmed it's pulling out of the Isle of Man.
The decision follows a review of the airline's operations to and from Ronaldsway, and services will cease from August 24.
The company says the current tough economic trading conditions have led to a dramatic reduction in demand for business travel on the Birmingham route.
The frequency reduction implemented last October took that into account, but since then the business market to the city has diminished even further, with no signs of recovery or improvement.
Eastern Airways will also be withdrawing from the Newcastle route.
Airline to cease Manx operations later this month
Published online at 04/08/2009 17:06:58
Eastern Airways has confirmed it's pulling out of the Isle of Man.
The decision follows a review of the airline's operations to and from Ronaldsway, and services will cease from August 24.
The company says the current tough economic trading conditions have led to a dramatic reduction in demand for business travel on the Birmingham route.
The frequency reduction implemented last October took that into account, but since then the business market to the city has diminished even further, with no signs of recovery or improvement.
Eastern Airways will also be withdrawing from the Newcastle route.
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Confirms what a lot had been expecting. I am personally sad to see them go but unfortunately not at all suprised. 
At least Flybe are taking up the slack from September and punctuality should improve no end with the a/c being based here from October.
Best of luck to all at Eastern.
At least Flybe are taking up the slack from September and punctuality should improve no end with the a/c being based here from October.
Best of luck to all at Eastern.
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Back on the rock after a short break, sorry if I offended anybody with my language, but I have seen a lot worse on here.
All I am saying is certain airlines target routes to drive off competition if it doesn't work they pull out.
Looks like it worked on the bhx,ncl routes but it didn't work on blk, bhd routes, but who now will provide a service to NE England?
All I am saying is certain airlines target routes to drive off competition if it doesn't work they pull out.
Looks like it worked on the bhx,ncl routes but it didn't work on blk, bhd routes, but who now will provide a service to NE England?
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Manx2 have got to be the only realistic hope for retaining a regular business focused NCL link.
Ofcourse BE also did NCL at one time, when they still had the smaller Dash-8's, the current ones are probably 60+ seats too many for a daily service. However when they get the 4th Q400, maybe a 3 or 4 times a week service, with sensible, leisure focused fares would work - like SOU, NQY or JER.
Ofcourse BE also did NCL at one time, when they still had the smaller Dash-8's, the current ones are probably 60+ seats too many for a daily service. However when they get the 4th Q400, maybe a 3 or 4 times a week service, with sensible, leisure focused fares would work - like SOU, NQY or JER.
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BE used to do NCL IOM BHD - BHD IOM NCL I know I was there and very well it did too. As you say Tony, sensible pricing is the key there are a lot of NE people living on island who could not afford to fly with Eastern who would welcome an alternative to 'the boat in the morning' . I know of at least one 'geordie'
(sorry mate) at airport who would welcome a cheap flight home
(sorry mate) at airport who would welcome a cheap flight home
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Sorry boys I was there in 2002/3 when British European did it in the Dash 8 200 series. 37 seats max but loads were always under 50% and usually 30-40% in winter. Thats why it was past to Eastern before winter 2003 as their J41 was only 29 seats. Started OK then Easterns fares slowly killed it. Who d pay £300 return IOM NCL for lesure and pleasure
Thats why it was past to Eastern before winter 2003 as their J41 was only 29 seats. Started OK then Easterns fares slowly killed it. Who d pay £300 return IOM NCL for lesure and pleasure
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so it would seem that Manx 2 would be the only hope for a NCL service. A bit risky for Aer Arran I suppose, unless they still have an ATR 42 or what about the Loganair division of Flybe?