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They'll be charged for a 70+seater anyway, so no point keeping a -42, but unless they really push fares to pull traffic off the LGW and LTN routes, then they'll struggle to make much profit.
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'As the press release also mentions "slots"as one of the problems that had to be solved, I guess that they had to put an ATR72 on the route as allegedly LCY does not offer new slots for anything up to 50 seats (which leaves the question how Sun Air recently got their slots for LCY-BLL - the only explanation may be that they got them from the BA slot pool) - unless Aer Arann (or the IOM) bought the slots at LCY from someone else.@
LCY slots cannot be traded - bought or sold. However another operator could 'lend slots' for the winter with the agreement of all concerned. While a new operator makes an application. In the present finacial situation existing operators may be trimming back their operation.
Only slots at LGW, LHR, STN & MAN allocated by ACL are traded. However 'Sky Space' if available is no good if there is no stands available on the ground.
LCY arrivals at peak periodseg before 09:15 is subject to an additional charge -£300 at last check.
Good luck to RE getting IOM-LCY
LCY slots cannot be traded - bought or sold. However another operator could 'lend slots' for the winter with the agreement of all concerned. While a new operator makes an application. In the present finacial situation existing operators may be trimming back their operation.
Only slots at LGW, LHR, STN & MAN allocated by ACL are traded. However 'Sky Space' if available is no good if there is no stands available on the ground.
LCY arrivals at peak periodseg before 09:15 is subject to an additional charge -£300 at last check.
Good luck to RE getting IOM-LCY
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However 'Sky Space' if available is no good if there is no stands available on the ground.
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Fair play to RE they have done well to pull this off.. Without wanting to have a go at 'RE bashing' I will be interested to see if this route will be viable. 72-500 is a nice a/c and compares well with the Q400 although I cannot see it making a massive dent in BE figures.... we shall see. Best of luck!
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You heard it here first a month ago and didnt believe it. (LCY) Now believe this. BE will have megga megga 
tantrum
and drop LGW to 3x daily and LPL to 3x daily for summer 2009.
tantrum and drop LGW to 3x daily and LPL to 3x daily for summer 2009.
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Yes, my apologies to you IOMspotter for suggesting you might be wrong....
As BE were only too aware of the "Airports Board" (showing me age) intention of getting the LCY route re-instated one would imagine that they would probably react by dropping the Luton service they were encouraged to introduce. Whatever happens we will enjoy a mini fares bonanza to LCY for a while, and it will be interesting to see whether BE reduce their LGW fares back to the levels they charged when oil was dear.
As BE were only too aware of the "Airports Board" (showing me age) intention of getting the LCY route re-instated one would imagine that they would probably react by dropping the Luton service they were encouraged to introduce. Whatever happens we will enjoy a mini fares bonanza to LCY for a while, and it will be interesting to see whether BE reduce their LGW fares back to the levels they charged when oil was dear.
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check out the fares to city
Well done Aer Arran, about time too.
Flybe go and have a good sulk. Mike Rutter is a major anyway.
Use the LPL lately and fares have been, lets say a bit pricey to say the least.
Competition appreciated if A Arran would like to reinstate a few LTN's and LPL's ( if at all possible).
Well done Aer Arran, about time too.
Flybe go and have a good sulk. Mike Rutter is a major
anyway. Use the LPL lately and fares have been, lets say a bit pricey to say the least.
Competition appreciated if A Arran would like to reinstate a few LTN's and LPL's ( if at all possible).
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IOM LCY here we come . Aer Arran 3x daily next month
Well done IOMSPOTTER you were right on this rumour and I didnt think it would happen. You proved yourself to be a good source of information!
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and heel be right about a tantrum from BE.I bet threats to cut back in LGW, LTN have already been made
Ann Reynolds phone must have been red hot 
and the air blue 
And for LPL BE are slowly running it down to favour MAN hub so any excuse to cut a rotation and up fares and push SLF into MAN will be taken FlyBe are becoming the uk version of Ryanair 
with all the good bits and bad bits of the Ryanair model including bullying airports and tantrums
Ann Reynolds phone must have been red hot and the air blue And for LPL BE are slowly running it down to favour MAN hub so any excuse to cut a rotation and up fares and push SLF into MAN will be taken
FlyBe are becoming the uk version of Ryanair with all the good bits and bad bits of the Ryanair model including bullying airports and tantrums
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The Flybe LGW and LTN routes were good before EMX folded and will probably continue to be so after January.
Flybe were asked to look at LCY, and were aware that the IOM Govt were doing all they could to get it returned. I would be amazed if anyone was having a sulk.
Selling tickets on a route which has not yet seen approval for the aircraft type is a bold move, although they must be fairly confident - mustn't they ?.
Flybe were asked to look at LCY, and were aware that the IOM Govt were doing all they could to get it returned. I would be amazed if anyone was having a sulk.
Selling tickets on a route which has not yet seen approval for the aircraft type is a bold move, although they must be fairly confident - mustn't they ?.
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BE didnt want LCY as it would have diluted LGW and LTN. They probly gambled IOM wouldnt find anyone brave enough to start LCY in the middle of winter during a financial crunch.
3x daily is a very ballsy move by Arran
and will need cheep fares to shift all those seats.
We ll see if BE are going to turn into another Ryanair. Lots of signs already. Web prices dont include taxes and charges up front
£13 to check a bag pay for seat selection try and make you buy insurance enormus credit card charges. Have you seen all the self check in booths at Ronaldsway? Pay to check in at the desk is next
3x daily is a very ballsy move by Arran
and will need cheep fares to shift all those seats.We ll see if BE are going to turn into another Ryanair. Lots of signs already. Web prices dont include taxes and charges up front
£13 to check a bag pay for seat selection try and make you buy insurance enormus credit card charges. Have you seen all the self check in booths at Ronaldsway? Pay to check in at the desk is next
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With all due respect BE have 'been there, done that' with the IOM-LCY route before. They were the first operator and the I doubt that the volume is there to necessitate a Q400 capacity service.
There is little point in re-training crews specifically for LCY or re-equipping their Q400 fleet (as I understand it, LCY requires steep approach modified aircraft) unless there is a significant gain.
BE still have an RE ATR on lease so I very much doubt the two airlines will fall out over this.
There is little point in re-training crews specifically for LCY or re-equipping their Q400 fleet (as I understand it, LCY requires steep approach modified aircraft) unless there is a significant gain.
BE still have an RE ATR on lease so I very much doubt the two airlines will fall out over this.
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I have never heard such a load of bol**ks for a while. This is not the school playground you know, these are two businesses. I dont expect Flybe give a monkeys about Aer Arran to LCY as many have pointed out it was expected. Flybe will still have a lot of people using their LGW for connections.
They will not 'have a tantrum' but may adjust their schedules in accordance with supply and demand - something which only professional carriers do to remain profitable.
They will not 'have a tantrum' but may adjust their schedules in accordance with supply and demand - something which only professional carriers do to remain profitable.
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Sounds like it's time to take a step back!
Firstly why would BE have a 'tantrum'? They are still, and will be for a good while yet, the Islands main carrier. Personally I feel a bit of competition is good for the market. BE have said before they have no interest in LCY if they did it would have happened already. LCY and LGW/LTN have existed alongside each other before and they will do again.
Secondly despite all of it's good points some people will still choose to travel through LGW and LTN.
As for prices, as the flights for LCY have been on sale for a few days there are bound to be loads of cheap seats available, BE flights have been on sale for best part of the year already so cheap seats will have gone. Also maybe it's just me but when Euromanx had no competition with BE I don't recall their prices shall we say 'low'!!
Firstly why would BE have a 'tantrum'? They are still, and will be for a good while yet, the Islands main carrier. Personally I feel a bit of competition is good for the market. BE have said before they have no interest in LCY if they did it would have happened already. LCY and LGW/LTN have existed alongside each other before and they will do again.
Secondly despite all of it's good points some people will still choose to travel through LGW and LTN.
As for prices, as the flights for LCY have been on sale for a few days there are bound to be loads of cheap seats available, BE flights have been on sale for best part of the year already so cheap seats will have gone. Also maybe it's just me but when Euromanx had no competition with BE I don't recall their prices shall we say 'low'!!
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And therein lies the rub, alas. Can I, for example, book my usual trip in January using the 0955 to LGW which gets me there in good time to make my next flight, or will I find that the 0955 is cancelled (due to demand...) and my travel plans require revision?
Once upon a time a timetable could be relied on. Not any more, sadly!
Once upon a time a timetable could be relied on. Not any more, sadly!
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Haven't a clue if you have seen the punctuality figures for IOM LGw in recent months you would know they are as good as if not better than they were with BA. The same goes for the majority of other BE routes from IOM.... anyway this thread is turning into BE bashing
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Nope, not bashing. Merely reflecting as a frequent flier on Cloud1's comment on adjusting schedules.
And yes, the punctuality figures are now very good. Flew 4 BE sectors last week, all were early; 4 sectors the week before (plus one BA to MAN cos both Fri pm LGW flights were full) all early or on time; only 2 the week before that (was that when the baggage system at IoM broke...) with IIRC only one slightly delayed etc. With 4 returns each day to LGW at convenient for me timings I'll probably carry on using BE to London, although RE may get a look in on a morning or afternoon return from LCY. Otherwise their timetable doesn't really work for me.
Pat on the back for BE, actually.
And yes, the punctuality figures are now very good. Flew 4 BE sectors last week, all were early; 4 sectors the week before (plus one BA to MAN cos both Fri pm LGW flights were full) all early or on time; only 2 the week before that (was that when the baggage system at IoM broke...) with IIRC only one slightly delayed etc. With 4 returns each day to LGW at convenient for me timings I'll probably carry on using BE to London, although RE may get a look in on a morning or afternoon return from LCY. Otherwise their timetable doesn't really work for me.
Pat on the back for BE, actually.
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Stunned you into silence eh?
Try this:
RE hand baggage 7 kg (size 8x11x17ins,20cm x 28cm x 43cm); BE 10 kg (50cm x 35cm x 23cm) so BE let you carry more
RE hold baggage 15k, BE 20kg (RE excess per kg 6.50 = +£32.50 less 7.99 to = BE)
Hmmm...
HaC
Try this:
RE hand baggage 7 kg (size 8x11x17ins,20cm x 28cm x 43cm); BE 10 kg (50cm x 35cm x 23cm) so BE let you carry more
RE hold baggage 15k, BE 20kg (RE excess per kg 6.50 = +£32.50 less 7.99 to = BE)
Hmmm...
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Another issue with regards reliability is slots at LCY. Some days the LCY can be plagued with slot times causing delays, not so much a feature at LGW/LTN. And that is a fair comparison with regards baggage, again it depends what you are looking, unfortunately people often only take notice of the lowest available fare and not the 'add ons'