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Old 25th Aug 2014, 21:42
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Well at least they currently have an instrument approach to both runways.

Wouldn't putting an LPV approach onto the most commonly used runway the most cost effective method of getting ILS type minima?
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 23:26
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Yes an EGNOS based approach such as LPV or LNAV/VNAV would appear to offer the potential for Cat 1 limits without the need for the expense of the ILS ground installation. The downside is that aircraft would have to carry suitable equipment in order to use it, though I imagine that in time this will become the norm for commercial aircraft. I am not sure how the timing would work out for Stobart and CAX - for all I know they could already be planning for it.

Alderney appears to be the only UK airport publishing an LPV approach at present with a 300ft OCH though presumably other airports will follow suit. The procedures are more widely used already in continental Europe, mainly Germany and France but also Italy and Switzerland.

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Old 26th Aug 2014, 12:32
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Full details of the aerodrome are available on the NATS site;

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Old 4th Oct 2014, 17:01
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Carlisle development!!!!

Noted on the Southend thread...apparently no one has lodged objections to the development of the airport.....over to you Stobarts??
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 19:59
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NEWS!!!!

Info from the Guardian suggests that a skeleton weekly service to Dublin and 2x weekly to SEN will take off next summer.

Carlisle becomes gateway to US in tie-up between Stobart Group and Aer Lingus | World news | The Guardian
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 20:04
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Story in the News and Star is a bit more conservative

News & Star | News | Passenger flights from Carlisle Airport edging closer, says Stobart Group

A few quotes from the Guardian story:

The weekly flight from Carlisle to Dublin will be operated by Stobart Air’s 48-seater ATR42-500 jet
Stobart's are 300's? (we'll ignore the jet bit...)

Tinkler said he expected about 20,000 people a year to fly between Carlisle and the US
20,000 pax a year is almost 400 a week...
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 20:17
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Well I did think that the maths didn't add up on the 20000 pax flying annually, you'd need a weekly A340-600 flight and that would make as much sense as putting a pub in a branch of Alcoholics Anonymous.

Also yes they are 300s as you point out, unless there's something that Stobart hasn't made public knowledge.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 20:50
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Let's see -

which coastal passenger airports have been a roaring success in recent years?

Manston
Plymouth
Blackpool

and which ones are on life support?

Durham Tees Valley
Prestwick
Newquay
Cardiff

The one conspicuous success is Southend, with an EZY base, 50 miles from London and in an affluent catchment area.

EZY to Carlisle? I think not.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 21:45
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I've heard Carlisle called many things, but coastal? and who mentioned EZY?
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 22:30
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When does the runway work start? Will the airport need to close to do it, heard they might need to dig down to the foundations not just a top coat of tarmac.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 22:41
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The subsidy for NQY is reducing year on year with the ancillary business at the airfield increasing year on year.

Doesn't quite seem to indicate life support to me.



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Old 24th Oct 2014, 21:17
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SWBKCB -

OK the Firth of Solway isn't golden beaches, ice cream parlours and kiss-me-quick hats, but it is part of the coastline of Britain, and it's about 20 miles from Carlisle Airport.

But the problem with coastal areas is that they don't have a full 360 degrees of catchment area, and that's my point in using the word 'coastal'.

I mentioned EZY because of the common ownership of Carlisle and SEN. Anyone hoping that Stobart could pull in another EZY base is thinking wishfully - to say the least.

I stand by my post, but offer these clarifications to reinforce my comments.

Cornishsimon -

I sincerely hope NQY survives as a passenger airport, but in that capacity it needs much more business. If it can be made viable by other ancillary business effectively cross-subsidizing it, that's great in the short term but eventually it will need to show it is self-financing in all departments.
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Old 26th Oct 2014, 18:05
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CAX Guardian article

I think the article is supposed to say 2x daily SEN and 1x daily DUB not weekly. What use is a 2 weekly and 1 weekly service to business pax? And also how many hours would be spare on an aircraft that does 6 rotations a week... unless they have drastically cut back their original plans(?)
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Old 26th Oct 2014, 20:57
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Though the spin on all of this is great
Interviewed on Radio Cumbria last week Andrew Tinkler was expounding the benefits of the CAX - DUB flights as a gateway to the USA. He even commented that from NCL folk had to go via AMS!

Er, don't Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart Air) do a daily NCL - DUB flight
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Old 27th Oct 2014, 00:02
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It was a strange comment, especially in view of the Aer Lingus advert on the NCL airport website which is headed NEW YORK from NEWCASTLE and the service to DUB is up to 3 x daily.
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Old 27th Oct 2014, 11:31
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OK the Firth of Solway isn't golden beaches, ice cream parlours and kiss-me-quick hats, but it is part of the coastline of Britain, and it's about 20 miles from Carlisle Airport.

But the problem with coastal areas is that they don't have a full 360 degrees of catchment area, and that's my point in using the word 'coastal'.
Newcastle is more coastal than Carlisle, and it does ok. The whole argument about coastal airports struggling is a load of rubbish, it's all about the size of the catchment area, not the degrees of catchment. Blackpool has a population of 140,000, 2 major airports on it's doorstep, and a contract with a low-cost airline that left them with next to no profit. That's why it struggled, not because it was built next to the coast!
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Old 27th Oct 2014, 20:46
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It was a strange comment,
Even more so now that United have just announced direct flights from NCL to Newark for next summer!
Direct flight 7.5hrs
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 19:58
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News & Star | From Carlisle airport to New York for just 200?
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:18
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So is there any information or website detailing the new Airport.
What the terminal will look like.
How many parking Stands.
How long is the runway? , Will it be extended to cope with an E170 or c series for Example.
Which would give it the range to do some charter stuff.
Or will they Be smart and make it long enough for Easyjet (future proofing not straight away ).
After all, Southend was a short Strip and look at it now.
With Blackpool gone. It might not be that crazy.
Manchester will be a nightmare to reach from anywhere north of the M60 now for three years while they do this new AT system on the Motorway. The M60 is a nightmare at the best of times.
I'd get given the option families want g to start a nice chilled out holiday would have the option of either Grubby Manchester with Crazy traffic or a trip into Scenic Cumbria along the higher sections of the M6 which while bust isn't as Phycotic as the M60. They'd arrive at a nice small friendly new Terminal.
Ideally with free parking.
And if the Airport worked eventually pursuade EZY to try a few Seasonal Mediterranean destinations.
And also cover the Belfast flights lost from
Blackpool.
Manx2 can move there and not need to look.for a new airport.
The question is when is it due to open? ??
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 07:41
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Lest we remember Carlisle is right next to Newcastle airport and although I would like to see Carlisle do well, Newcastle will simply do what they did to MME, the logic doesn't really work with me, Air lingus regional flies a strong frequency to Newcastle which will be much more user friendly than carlisle, as well as cheaper due to competition.

It simply doesn't add up for me, and then saying EZY will be interested, no no no. The money is not to be made in the furthest North of England, they want new bases in affluent and populated areas, hence why the NCL base has been slowly degraded over time. Not to forget EasyJet don't serve small cities, they serve the big airports covering the catchment - Newcastle.
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