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Old 4th Nov 2013, 13:38
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Carlisle future

Had to escape the DTV thread, all rather depressing! However it got me thinking about Carlisle...does the "panel" think the odd goings on over here will have any impact on the future hearings and destiny of Carlisle?

My thoughts if an established airport with the catchment area of Teesside cant succeed,what chance does a green field site starting afresh?
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Old 4th Nov 2013, 15:14
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Carlisle tho might do Ok. Seeing how Newcase is a pain to get to with the A69.
Glasgow is a fair drive . Beeching stole the rail link to Edinburgh , And Manchester / Leeds are also a fair trip in a car.
That being said I imagine there must be a decent rail service to Manchester.
Also Stobart seemed to have pulled a good deal for SEN. I wonder if done right and being in a reasonably good location Carlisle might pull in a fair catchment.
Scottish Borders Eg Dumfries down to Barrow and Probably areas east of it.
With decent fares it might prove ok?
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Old 4th Nov 2013, 15:28
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Cumbria and Northumberland are the 2 counties in England with the lowest population density - that means lots of space with not many people.
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Old 4th Nov 2013, 16:15
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CAX and MME are similar in that both owners see them as development sites, with some limited aviation activity attached to keep the planners etc happy.

Very limited scope for airline operations, also how would RE operating CAX-SEN fit in with the Aer Lingus Regional/Aer Arran deal?

CAX also has the advantage that the owner needs somewhere to base their biz jet.
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Is there much/any local support for the troublesome farmer?
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 21:48
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Why not Close MME to passengers. Redeploy the Klm to DSA.
And Also Aberdeen to DSA.
Keep MME for business and try get some of that money they had been chasing for Carlisle
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onyx - Carlisle and MME airports are owned by different private companies. Govt does not have the right to dictate what private companies do, unless you live in a communist country like the Soviet Union. Peel, Stobart, Eastern Airways and KLM are 4 very separate companies who each act entirely in their own interest

In addition, if 2 or more separate companies appear to do deals so as to do each other favours, they may be breaking competition law, and the directors of the 2 companies could well end up in court charged with serious offences.

I know you're a strong supporter of DSA, but please try to think through the implications of what you're saying before you post.

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Plus, I think it's been proven that people do not want to fly to Doncaster.

If CAX can advertise itself as a gateway to the Lakes, then maybe. But the SEN route would be up against a very good Virgin Trains service
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 22:53
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onyxcrowle I know you a big supporter of DSA, but do you really think KLM and Eastern would move there MME flights 90 miles down the A19/A1 to DSA, As both routes are operated by the same airlines from both LBA and HUY?

To be honest with you if MME did close (which its not yet!) I think passengers would vote with there feet and chose flights from NCL instead as its closer. Anyway Sorry for the thread drift and lets get back on topic as this is the CAX thread not MME, LBA, DSA or NCL.

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Old 10th Nov 2013, 11:24
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"Stobart Group wants to build a 394,000sq ft freight distribution centre and to resurface the runway for scheduled passenger flights to London Southend and Dublin. Carlisle City Council granted planning permission in February.

But that decision is being challenged by Irthington farmer Gordon Brown, who lives opposite the airport."

Who is paying for all of these challengers it must be costs farmer Brown an absolute fortune.
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Old 10th Nov 2013, 11:50
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Who is paying for all of these challengers it must be costs farmer Brown an absolute fortune.
It's possible there is a Protective Costs Order in place
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http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/stobart-plans-alternative-to-carlisle-airport-scheme-1.1097268

Alternative plans being made for warehouse elsewhere in Carlisle by Stobarts. They already have a depot near the proposed new site which is right next to the M6.
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Old 13th Feb 2014, 20:29
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Carlisle to close?

Hearing rumours that Stobart are giving up on Carlisle Airport because of the ongoing legal battle to get the project moving? Sadly this would result in the airport closing and consequently no Dublin or London-Southend routes launched. Anyone have any info on this?

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Old 13th Feb 2014, 21:14
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What would happen to Stobart's private jet if Carlisle did close?
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Old 13th Feb 2014, 21:39
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Grrr

Probably like Dyson, it would move from Lyneham to Bristol and use the DCOI more?

In the Stobart case, you could still have a runway and build all around, as there is no requirement for terminals and car parks?
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I believe the Stobart's private jet was disposed of a long time ago

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Old 14th Feb 2014, 05:50
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There will be no building without the airport development. Stobarts already have planning permission for their 'plan B' depot in north Carlisle
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I get the impression that all the delays are down to just one man.

Is that the case, or is there more local opposition?
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If it is one man, he's got deep pockets...
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Hearing rumours that Stobart are giving up on Carlisle Airport because of the ongoing legal battle to get the project moving?
Back in court this week, so doesn't look like it

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