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I would say Coventry is almost as it was in the mid to late 1990's, plenty of training movements and a handful of business movements. Shame there aren't a few more cargo movements, could do with the bhx traffic returning to cvt.
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Focusing on landing fees is, I suppose, a it like wondering how a shopping centre makes money when it only charges shoppers £2ph to park their cars!
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Well, I suppose that Coventry doesn't have to worry about landing fees with the amount it makes on passenger car parking and concession charges for the shops that cater to them.
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Gateway goes to planning at CCC tonight, then WDC next Wednesday. Both have given it outline approval, but there are 500+ objections. The airport "only" got to about 900, and that was at the inquiry stage, so I'd say that's pretty vehement local opposition - even above the usual 7-1 ratio you might expect. Supporters barely number about 20.
As for the airport, there's quite a lot of "suspicion" that the Gateway will be used as leverage to push for more commercial flights, or even that closing the Bubbenhall Lane will make it easier to built a runway extension.
I would simply ask how and for who? To support the kind of ops Thomsonfly put on, you need a catchment of 1m+, so a few office parks won't make any difference, especially as very few of the TOM routes were aimed at biz pax anyway.
Maybe a bit more GA + exec flights, freight might get some new clients, but I suspect the real appeal of the new units will be direct access to the A45/46 + M6.
As for the airport, there's quite a lot of "suspicion" that the Gateway will be used as leverage to push for more commercial flights, or even that closing the Bubbenhall Lane will make it easier to built a runway extension.
I would simply ask how and for who? To support the kind of ops Thomsonfly put on, you need a catchment of 1m+, so a few office parks won't make any difference, especially as very few of the TOM routes were aimed at biz pax anyway.
Maybe a bit more GA + exec flights, freight might get some new clients, but I suspect the real appeal of the new units will be direct access to the A45/46 + M6.
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Regardless of whether the Gateway development goes ahead or not Coventry will always remain an aerodrome and not an airport. Surely if there are plans to extend the runway or develop the airfield it would be part of the planning proposal that has been submitted.
Why would any airline look at CVT when there is spare capacity at both BHX and EMA with established passenger facilities, rail and road links etc etc.
Why would any airline look at CVT when there is spare capacity at both BHX and EMA with established passenger facilities, rail and road links etc etc.
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CCC approve the scheme with conditions:
Controversial plans for the £250m Gateway development on land surrounding Coventry Airport have been approved, with conditions, by councillors at the city's planning committee.
The promise of the creation of up to 14,000 jobs and 'significant economic benefits' swung Coventry City Council's support behind the proposals.
Warwick District Council will now vote next week as large parts of the scheme falls within its administrative authority.
If approved, the project could be called in by communities secretary Eric Pickles to decide the fate of the ambitious scheme.
Plans for the proposed development, which were submitted in September, can be divided into five parts with approval sought for a total space covering more than 4.7 million sq ft.
It is claimed the Gateway project will create up to 14,000 jobs – 6,000 on the logistics park, 4,000 on the technology park and an extra 4,000 at Whitley Business Park, where Jaguar's headquarters are located, as a result of the plans.
Controversial plans for the £250m Gateway development on land surrounding Coventry Airport have been approved, with conditions, by councillors at the city's planning committee.
The promise of the creation of up to 14,000 jobs and 'significant economic benefits' swung Coventry City Council's support behind the proposals.
Warwick District Council will now vote next week as large parts of the scheme falls within its administrative authority.
If approved, the project could be called in by communities secretary Eric Pickles to decide the fate of the ambitious scheme.
Plans for the proposed development, which were submitted in September, can be divided into five parts with approval sought for a total space covering more than 4.7 million sq ft.
It is claimed the Gateway project will create up to 14,000 jobs – 6,000 on the logistics park, 4,000 on the technology park and an extra 4,000 at Whitley Business Park, where Jaguar's headquarters are located, as a result of the plans.
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Warwick District Council will now vote next week as large parts of the scheme falls within its administrative authority.
WDC do hate Coventry having an airport. It might be different if WDC got the profits and kudos, as they don't, they won't.
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Warwick have deferred the decision, to get more information....I think the point is that they don't want the Airport operation expanding through the back door.....
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It is utterly fanciful to link these proposals to airport development - a myth invented and perpetuated by local nimbys and taken in and repeated by the gullible.
Three of the more bizarre links made by the protesters are;-
That some of the warehousing on the proposed logistics site have been deliberately made large enough to accomodate a 747 so after being built they can be converted into maintenance hangers - presumably accessed by these mythical 747s taxing over the grass and down the loigistic park roads!!
That other warehouse units on the logistic park are freight sheds in disguise even though there is no planned connection between the logistic park and the airport.
That the proposed hotel in the technology park is actually an airport hotel and the first stage of a new terminal development- which rather ignores the fact that any further development would have to gain planning permission in its own right and could be turned down at that stage.
In truth these proposals have nothing to do with the airport and the protesters are seeking to create scare stories that have no basis in reality.
Three of the more bizarre links made by the protesters are;-
That some of the warehousing on the proposed logistics site have been deliberately made large enough to accomodate a 747 so after being built they can be converted into maintenance hangers - presumably accessed by these mythical 747s taxing over the grass and down the loigistic park roads!!
That other warehouse units on the logistic park are freight sheds in disguise even though there is no planned connection between the logistic park and the airport.
That the proposed hotel in the technology park is actually an airport hotel and the first stage of a new terminal development- which rather ignores the fact that any further development would have to gain planning permission in its own right and could be turned down at that stage.
In truth these proposals have nothing to do with the airport and the protesters are seeking to create scare stories that have no basis in reality.
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WDC do hate Coventry having an airport. It might be different if WDC got the profits and kudos, as they don't, they won't.
any further development would have to gain planning permission in its own right and could be turned down at that stage.
Holiday Inn already exists at end of Siskin Drive. There has been talk of an airport hotel, but you need an airport first!
A few other facts about the airport for the alarmists:
* The logical client for the portakabin terminal would of course be Ryanair. However, no way MOL wants to come in with the limit range of the 738s off CVT''s runway. OK, he might get a good deal on the fees, but BHX gives him full range, and airport can still offer good deal and cash in with mall, parking etc.
* At the moment, a runway extension at Baginton end would be far cheaper than what Brum are doing - but politically a non-starter. Also, the new road would make an extension MUCH more expensive - so anyone want to bet on the odds of it happening?
* To claim a BUSINESS park with ~10k jobs is going to support a loco passenger operation which needs a catchment of a good 1m to make it work is ridiculous. So if Easy or Jet2 did come in and launch a route to BCN etc, there might be one or two business people on the plane, but we're talking a fraction of 1% who would come as a result of this development.
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The only potential market for flights from Coventry would be British bucket and spade resorts. Butlins and Pontins are well supported by coach and rail. So Coventry to Blackpool it is. There is many aircraft all ready parked at Coventry that could be used. No need to extend the runway or build a terminal. Couple of surplus bus shelters would do. The money would pour in. Sir Peter could retire on the profits and would not need the gateway project. I could see both Birmingham and East Midland airports closing due to lack of demand as Coventry expands. It would also bring many jobs back to Coventry and Birmingham supplying the buckets, spades and other vital items required to supply this market. Coventry would also need to expand as a cargo airport, shipping back all the postcards from the many holidaymakers.
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There is a much bigger market in shipping in all the stock for the city's pound stores. They simply cannot keep up with demand and boats are too slow. The whole of the Gateway development will be a warehouse for Poundpikey.
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Heard that a couple of fire fighters and 1 or 2 refuellers have jumped from the CVT ship before it sinks all together, maybe because if CVT get a 'no' decision from WDC about the gateway the owners will cut and run?? Has anyone looked out there lately? Very very quiet...
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If every time a couple of staff left from an airport signalled its closing, there would not be many airports left. The staff have been replaced, the Fire Cat has been maintained at the published levels and refuelling has not be disrupted.
Nobody is pretending the airport is as busy as it would like to be but away from Christmas holidays etc, business traffic is up and there is plenty of training traffic when the weather is anything like decent.
Nobody is pretending the airport is as busy as it would like to be but away from Christmas holidays etc, business traffic is up and there is plenty of training traffic when the weather is anything like decent.
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Uh-oh, looks like Sir Peter is a bit of a NIMBY too, except when there is a bit of profit to be made in other people's back yard??....
Fury at airport chief's 'change of heart' | Coventry Observer
Fury at airport chief's 'change of heart' | Coventry Observer
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wonder if this is good news?
I wonder if this this will be a positive thing, by all accounts it could be.
Nick Clegg backs 30,000 job scheme for Coventry and Warwickshire - Coventry News - News - Coventry Telegraph
Nick Clegg backs 30,000 job scheme for Coventry and Warwickshire - Coventry News - News - Coventry Telegraph
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