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Seen reports today that shall the IAG merger go through, they will try to get Stobart Air to re-open the Shannon base to allow T/A connection through Shannon.
How do you suppose this could be done? Its unlikely they will remove aircraft from Dublin, so could a moving of the Cork base be possible? It would stir a lot of trouble. If the Cork base was to move, could it be something like SNN-BHX-SNN-ORK-BHX-ORK-SNN?
Maybe Stobart could lease a few ATR42's? They are ample size for a large SNN base.
How do you suppose this could be done? Its unlikely they will remove aircraft from Dublin, so could a moving of the Cork base be possible? It would stir a lot of trouble. If the Cork base was to move, could it be something like SNN-BHX-SNN-ORK-BHX-ORK-SNN?
Maybe Stobart could lease a few ATR42's? They are ample size for a large SNN base.
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Seen reports today that shall the IAG merger go through, they will try to get Stobart Air to re-open the Shannon base to allow T/A connection through Shannon.
How do you suppose this could be done? Its unlikely they will remove aircraft from Dublin, so could a moving of the Cork base be possible? It would stir a lot of trouble. If the Cork base was to move, could it be something like SNN-BHX-SNN-ORK-BHX-ORK-SNN?
Maybe Stobart could lease a few ATR42's? They are ample size for a large SNN base.
How do you suppose this could be done? Its unlikely they will remove aircraft from Dublin, so could a moving of the Cork base be possible? It would stir a lot of trouble. If the Cork base was to move, could it be something like SNN-BHX-SNN-ORK-BHX-ORK-SNN?
Maybe Stobart could lease a few ATR42's? They are ample size for a large SNN base.
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It did reasonable before the MAN route was withdrawn. That really changed things
Yes v popular with conx traffic but Stobart were getting **** all money for carrying the conx pax and it's not enough to keep the base going.
Not enough point to point pax, expensive fares and sometimes poor reliability didn't help.
Yes v popular with conx traffic but Stobart were getting **** all money for carrying the conx pax and it's not enough to keep the base going.
Not enough point to point pax, expensive fares and sometimes poor reliability didn't help.
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If you wanted to turn SNN into any form of transatlantic hub, it would be better to use a non-based aircraft.
You want the inbound to arrive between 8am and 8:30am to connect with the late morning departures and the outbound to go out between 8:30am and 9am, late enough to get everyone from the early arrivals.
If you leave from Shannon first thing, you go too early and if you don't arrive back until after 10am, it's useless for connections.
You want the inbound to arrive between 8am and 8:30am to connect with the late morning departures and the outbound to go out between 8:30am and 9am, late enough to get everyone from the early arrivals.
If you leave from Shannon first thing, you go too early and if you don't arrive back until after 10am, it's useless for connections.
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UK based fleets don't make any commercial sense, what's the plane meant to do for the afternoon/evening?
The previous base was perfect. Eg.
The Birmingham flight left at 07:00 (perfect for the EI T/A flights which routinely land before 6am.) And was back in SNN by 10:15, leaving 1hr 35mins for BOS and 2hrs 5mins for JFK. Tight but often very doable.
The previous base was perfect. Eg.
The Birmingham flight left at 07:00 (perfect for the EI T/A flights which routinely land before 6am.) And was back in SNN by 10:15, leaving 1hr 35mins for BOS and 2hrs 5mins for JFK. Tight but often very doable.
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I'm not saying Stobart bases in the UK, but as part of IAG there would be other options.
BTW Routinely landing before a certain time isn't good enough. It's the scheduled time that counts. The absolute minimum connection time allowed would be 45 mins, even in an airport the size of SNN.
BTW Routinely landing before a certain time isn't good enough. It's the scheduled time that counts. The absolute minimum connection time allowed would be 45 mins, even in an airport the size of SNN.
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And there was no connections less than 45 mins.
I completely understand where your coming from though. That's why KLM and Lufthansa overnight aircraft in several European airports. Take Dublin and Cardiff as examples. In Dublin, Lufthansa overnight an A321 so its first to leave DUB in the morning, its times perfectly to align with the wave of long haul departures in Frankfurt. In Cardiff KLM do the same, just with different aircraft and a different hub.
I completely understand where your coming from though. That's why KLM and Lufthansa overnight aircraft in several European airports. Take Dublin and Cardiff as examples. In Dublin, Lufthansa overnight an A321 so its first to leave DUB in the morning, its times perfectly to align with the wave of long haul departures in Frankfurt. In Cardiff KLM do the same, just with different aircraft and a different hub.
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who would blame them with the dismal load figures each month, but the problem if its gone is it will not be filled by another airline, hopefully management will persuade them to stay.
Is there any word on new routes or an extra aircraft as was suggested a few months ago by michael o leary, he said september
Is there any word on new routes or an extra aircraft as was suggested a few months ago by michael o leary, he said september
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Yep hopefully it won't be cancelled.
It's currently scheduled to go down to 2x PW for the winter.
Michael O'Leary said new routes will he added in September, Cophenhagen and Bratislava being likely contenders. I wonder did he mean that they will be announced in September or will commence in September.
It's currently scheduled to go down to 2x PW for the winter.
Michael O'Leary said new routes will he added in September, Cophenhagen and Bratislava being likely contenders. I wonder did he mean that they will be announced in September or will commence in September.
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There will be a 747 in Shannon until Tuesday, the 2nd most powerful man in China flew in (in style) for a 2 day stop in Ireland. He will be heading onto South America on Tuesday.
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Yep hopefully it won't be cancelled.
It's currently scheduled to go down to 2x PW for the winter.
Michael O'Leary said new routes will he added in September, Cophenhagen and Bratislava being likely contenders. I wonder did he mean that they will be announced in September or will commence in September.
It's currently scheduled to go down to 2x PW for the winter.
Michael O'Leary said new routes will he added in September, Cophenhagen and Bratislava being likely contenders. I wonder did he mean that they will be announced in September or will commence in September.
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I'd say a Scottish route would be more sustainable than a Bristol route too, although Bristol was quite popular back in 2007, I was on a flight and it was full.
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I agree Runway Approach, Paris has not worked well to CDG or BVA. Hence, Copenhagen is indeed an odd choice. It is not a questions of whether a route is popular or not it is about whether the travelling public are willing to pay a fare that will deliver some meaningful return....!
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BVA was always popular until ryanair axed it in 2011, really its not that people wont pay but ryanair really burnt that bridge i also think there is a serious lack of local advertising for routes from Shannon which dosent help things
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I genuinely think it's simply a case of too many airports serving the same services in a relatively small market place - eh Birmingham has the same population as Ireland yet - we have services like Paris operating from cork Dublin and Shannon less than two hours away from each other - There's a proven market for UK services from all the airports given the diaspora links and prob sun services - the inbound European services appear to be challenging from regional airports especially with all the major growth recently at Dublin