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were they picking up passengers ?
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Hadnt heard this myself. Might be old news here.
FROM May 8, Delta Air Lines and Air France KLM will reinstate year-round nonstop service between Shannon International Airport and New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport, restoring a popular link between the west of Ireland and the United States.
The flight will operate daily between the two cities during the summer, with four weekly services during the winter.
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FROM May 8, Delta Air Lines and Air France KLM will reinstate year-round nonstop service between Shannon International Airport and New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport, restoring a popular link between the west of Ireland and the United States.
The flight will operate daily between the two cities during the summer, with four weekly services during the winter.
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it was a pity to see the Delta desk empty in the airport hall not to mention the U.S. Airways desk!
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OMNI leaving SNN due Volcanic activity
The story is going around SNN that OMNI has left due unreliability of the operation there as a result of the recent volcanic activity in Iceland. They have not been in SNN for over a week and are now operating out of OSLO. OMNI are probably SNN's biggest customer with 25+ widebody flights per week.
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Where have they gone if this is true. Heard they were using Porto but Im sure that has been affetected with the ash in recent days. The IAWM will be delighted. If this is true, Shannons days are numbered
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Well moving because of the ash, seems a bit strange. Thats completely out of the control of the airport. The same thing could happen Oslo, or Leipzig too?
I would not go as far as saying the days or numbered but its not good news for sure.
I would not go as far as saying the days or numbered but its not good news for sure.
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Shannon future does not look good. I do believe they have two options in the current climate. One option could be to break apart from DAA and try to work something for themselves as a separate entity.But I am not sure if that would bring more good than harm as the base cost involved. Base cost which is currently subsumed into the DAA. The other option could be a swap with Baldonnel in that SNN becomes a joint civil-military airport, I believe they have them in Spain and Italy, allowing for civil flights and becoming at the same time the main air base for the Air Corps which means part of the cost of running SNN could be paid my the department of defence. Baldonnel could so become a very much needed second civil Dublin airport , (at the same time nothing prevents some military capabilities to be kept in Baldonnel).
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all of EI TATL DUB services to land in SNN tomorrow. Will be a long time since there was so many A330's in EI colours at SNN. Should be at least 4 if not 5 and possible 6 if the 108 decideds to go to SNN too depending upon how long they delay it for from JFK.
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Shannons future has looked worse in the past and it still survived. There were times in the 80's when it had 3 or 4 EI flights a day a few aeroflots and maybe a Northwest Orient or Transamaerica heavy and that was it. It has always been vulnerable to changes in the aviation world, lets hope this one doesnt bring it down.
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Baldonnel could so become a very much needed second civil Dublin airport
I mean DUB as it stands is in decline, a very costly piece of kit is almost complete in the guise of T2, it looks nice but I really hope that it can encourage Aer Lingus to deliver on a Gateway between USA and EU airports, I certainly believe that if they market this properly, taking on its unique offerings it can be a winner. When T2 opens the airport will have far more capacity than is needed at this time.
Volcanic ash is a new challenge in the last few months, that combined to a weak Aer Lingus, consolidation in the airline business and general recessionary environment makes me think that dublin could do without a second airport.
In addition, when I look at what is going on in Belfast, ie 2 airports after the same passengers (and yes there is competition) I cant help but feel the whole province long term would do well to have its aviation business consolidated into one facility. I know that Belfast is a much smaller market but their are parallels.
As for Shannon, it is fair to say that 1. Ryanair never mets it target of passengers. 2. Its unrealistic demands on passenger charges are testimony to the fact that they were not making much return there. 3. If Ryanair had brought a base to Shannon, it is arguable to say that the airport would not have seen the growth that it did.
My view is that Shannon needs to get used to the reality of its catchment. Ie there is a niche for essentially needed services to the main routes of London a few UK regionals and similar to Belfast for eg an offering to the Sun destinations. Oh and of course a few routes to the USA. With a realistic schedule that makes a return for the operator it makes for better sense for the future. Are there any opportunities for other non passenger traffic business ie maintenance etc?
As well as having a fairly limited market we should not forget that Shannon has quite a few airports competing for the business locally. IE Kerry, Galway and Cork.
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Shannons future has looked worse in the past and it still survived. There were times in the 80's when it had 3 or 4 EI flights a day a few aeroflots and maybe a Northwest Orient or Transamaerica heavy and that was it. It has always been vulnerable to changes in the aviation world, lets hope this one doesnt bring it down.
SNN without some sort of government support does not look good...
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thanks EI BUD. but let me comment on the following..
Dublin has already a second airport. Bal is there and is used (by Air Corps).It makes much more sense to me to open it to the public.
that's true but the bottleneck in DUB is not the terminals nor the apron capacity. Is the runway.And a second runway is needed in DUB (deferred until 2012). There is where BAL could play a sensible role to integrate all the problematic issues involved here. (dub second runway + SNN)
correct but as you said, Belfast is a smaller market. I do think a population of 3 million makes sense (justifies) to do this kind of swap. Plus not all of type of aircraft would be able to land in BAL. So heavier hardware would continue to use DUB but BAL would make an ideal airport for "smaller" aircraft.
the catchment aerea can grow in the future as the population / transport infrastructures grow. At the same time motorways will put you at 2.30-3 hours from Dublin. As for the present it is already used for military traffic and therefore it is this the reason that it makes perfect sense to me to install the main Air Corps HQ there. Plus, on the other hand, you still can use SNN as a combined civil military airport.
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But I am not sure that a second airport for Dublin is needed any longer.
I mean DUB as it stands is in decline, a very costly piece of kit is almost complete in the guise of T2, it looks nice but I really hope that it can encourage Aer Lingus to deliver on a Gateway between USA and EU airports, I certainly believe that if they market this properly, taking on its unique offerings it can be a winner. When T2 opens the airport will have far more capacity than is needed at this time.
In addition, when I look at what is going on in Belfast, ie 2 airports after the same passengers (and yes there is competition) I cant help but feel the whole province long term would do well to have its aviation business consolidated into one facility. I know that Belfast is a much smaller market but their are parallels.
My view is that Shannon needs to get used to the reality of its catchment. Ie there is a niche for essentially needed services to the main routes of London a few UK regionals and similar to Belfast for eg an offering to the Sun destinations. Oh and of course a few routes to the USA. With a realistic schedule that makes a return for the operator it makes for better sense for the future. Are there any opportunities for other non passenger traffic business ie maintenance etc?
regards
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Shannon has been doing pretty well tonight due to the latest ash problems at Dublin. Up to now snn has received about twenty diversions from Dublin. As usual in these circumstances Cork has received just a few diversions.
Just what are the Cork authorities doing in losing out on so much of this business? These regretable ash episodes for the airlines and the passengers do, nevertheless, present business opportunities elsewhere and why is Cork losing out - I am sure the airline handlers at Cork would welcome the extra business and local coach companies in helping transport diverted passengers back to the Dublin area. Do Cork Airport jobs count for less than snn jobs in the mindset of the DAA?
What kind of govenment intervention will be brought to bear to help keep the Omni business at Shannon? The locally based Minister for Defence and no doubt Cork's own Minister for Foregin Affairs may well be prevailed upon to help out snn in the currently reported Omni crisis. Fair enough too, it may argued, but why the hell is not the same kind of concentration put forward by Cork in the new challenges we are faced with whether it be with declining markets or the new volcano related environment? Does Cork Airport count as much as snn for the DAA?
Cork Airport needs to learn from both the past and present at Shannon Airport and to never take it's eye off the ball.
Just what are the Cork authorities doing in losing out on so much of this business? These regretable ash episodes for the airlines and the passengers do, nevertheless, present business opportunities elsewhere and why is Cork losing out - I am sure the airline handlers at Cork would welcome the extra business and local coach companies in helping transport diverted passengers back to the Dublin area. Do Cork Airport jobs count for less than snn jobs in the mindset of the DAA?
What kind of govenment intervention will be brought to bear to help keep the Omni business at Shannon? The locally based Minister for Defence and no doubt Cork's own Minister for Foregin Affairs may well be prevailed upon to help out snn in the currently reported Omni crisis. Fair enough too, it may argued, but why the hell is not the same kind of concentration put forward by Cork in the new challenges we are faced with whether it be with declining markets or the new volcano related environment? Does Cork Airport count as much as snn for the DAA?
Cork Airport needs to learn from both the past and present at Shannon Airport and to never take it's eye off the ball.
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I do think theres is nothing personal here but big problem with Cork, when we compare it to snn, is the "infrastructure" disadvantage they suffer, i.e. airport layout (runway lenght). It appear to me that it makes sense to "appoint" as a diversion airport the one which has a "better " (longer) runway or more space on the apron.
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I think it's purely a function of space, SNN has plenty of room for additional aircraft. The ramp space at ORK is relatively limited. Bearing in mind the four EI A320s, two RE ATRs and one FR must be accommodated first, there is not scope for many more than half a dosen diverts.
SNN has plenty of ramp-space can (and does) use old runway space and ramps associated with hangar space to find temporary accommodation for diverted flights.
SNN has plenty of ramp-space can (and does) use old runway space and ramps associated with hangar space to find temporary accommodation for diverted flights.
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Dunno about anyone else but I'm glad to see the back of Omni Air and any carrier using Irish airports to transport troops to Iraq or Afghanistan. We are a neutral country, and its not good enough to just claim neutrality, we have to show it as well and not allow Irish airports to be used for any conflict, particularly one as unjust and illegal as the invasion of Iraq.
You can argue all yeh like about how much the airport has benefitted from it, but it says a lot about the future of the airport if it has to rely on diversions and troop transport flights to keep passenger numbers up. The war in Iraq was never going to last forever and neither will the war in Afghanistan, so relying on these flights for revenue was never sustainable, and the government shouldn't do anything to try to keep them in Shannon.
You can argue all yeh like about how much the airport has benefitted from it, but it says a lot about the future of the airport if it has to rely on diversions and troop transport flights to keep passenger numbers up. The war in Iraq was never going to last forever and neither will the war in Afghanistan, so relying on these flights for revenue was never sustainable, and the government shouldn't do anything to try to keep them in Shannon.