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Cyrano, you are correct, an airline can give six months notice of intention to cease a PSO route. Heard that FR often run with single digit pax numbers on KIR-DUB with ORK not much better. This forray into domestic routes is ego driven, is counter to the FR model, has lost substantial money, and offers no shareholder value, it's about time it stopped, but will it?
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EISNN.....wrong, Euroceltic operated Sligo and Donegal, never NOC. Loganair withdrew from NOC and was replaced by RE. Cityjet tendered successfully and decided not to operated as correctly pointed out by previous posters!
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CCR- I have never seen Dublin/Cork packed. Some flights maybe but in my experience it is at most 70 often 50 and sometimes as low as 25!
Wish we had CAA type stats for flights ex Dublin and ROI to non UK destinations!
EI-BUD
Wish we had CAA type stats for flights ex Dublin and ROI to non UK destinations!
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IWAK. yes you are right. I remember Euroceltic going off the end of the runway in Sligo. Mixed the two places up. apologies for that. It wasn't too long after that they went bust. and yes Loganair dropped NOC but that was more recently, wasn't it?
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EI-BUD, there are statistics available for what you are looking for but they are routinely six months behind. They are available from the very informative Central Statistics Office website - CSO - Central Statistics Office Ireland.
Now, the snn crowd are going to despair of me - during the better years of stronger figures at the Irish aiports the twisted, bitter cynic in me came to the conclusion, perhaps quite wrongly, that the reason why the the figures were always so late being published was that there was a dark underhand attempt from somewhere within the State apparatus to protect the interests of snn over Cork!
Still have an open mind on the subject.
Now, the snn crowd are going to despair of me - during the better years of stronger figures at the Irish aiports the twisted, bitter cynic in me came to the conclusion, perhaps quite wrongly, that the reason why the the figures were always so late being published was that there was a dark underhand attempt from somewhere within the State apparatus to protect the interests of snn over Cork!
Still have an open mind on the subject.
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EI-BUD, I can only tell you what I experience on this route. I usually take the 7:40 or 10:10 flight ex-Cork every month and the flights are pretty full every time I fly. I usually return to Cork taking a connecting flight @ Dublin departing at 18:20. Again, a very busy flight. I often meet people I know on board and I know many of the crew who operate this route. It's a busy route I can assure you!
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ORK DUB and Ryanair
Ryanair are now operating the Cork Dublin route for over four years. Surely they wouldn't be throwing good money after bad just to annoy Aer Arran. There are also lots of no shows who pay their money and airport charges.
The vast majority of them never bother to recoup these due to Ryanairs administration charges. Ryanair also benefit by allowing passengers feed into their UK and Continental network from Dublin.
The vast majority of them never bother to recoup these due to Ryanairs administration charges. Ryanair also benefit by allowing passengers feed into their UK and Continental network from Dublin.
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I have never seen Dublin/Cork packed. Some flights maybe but in my experience it is at most 70 often 50 and sometimes as low as 25!
How frequently do you travel Cork to Dublin?
Which flights do you use?
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I have never seen Dublin/Cork packed. Some flights maybe but in my experience it is at most 70 often 50 and sometimes as low as 25!
Mainly mid-week. Flights have never been more than half full. I have never paid more than 6 euro.
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Sorry, I should have been more specific.
I know that the Irish-USA link it quite obvious but what is the population surrounding Shannon? I know the city itself has <10,000 but what is the population around fay, 2 hours drive?
It does amaze me how such a small city can expand on the route!
I know that the Irish-USA link it quite obvious but what is the population surrounding Shannon? I know the city itself has <10,000 but what is the population around fay, 2 hours drive?
It does amaze me how such a small city can expand on the route!
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The immediate catchment of Shannon is the entire counties of Clare and Limerick, which have populations of 111,000 and 184,000 respectively.
However, as none of Cork, Kerry, Galway or Knock airports have transatlantic services, Shannon becomes the nearest transatlantic airport for people living in Cork (481,000), Kerry (140,000), Tipperary (149,000), Galway (231,000), Roscommon (59,000) and Mayo (124,000) as well as being an option for people living in counties like Offaly (71,000) and Westmeath (79,000).
Combined, that's almost 40% of the population of Ireland. As long as Dublin remains the only transatlantic alternative, Shannon's business should remain strong.
However, as none of Cork, Kerry, Galway or Knock airports have transatlantic services, Shannon becomes the nearest transatlantic airport for people living in Cork (481,000), Kerry (140,000), Tipperary (149,000), Galway (231,000), Roscommon (59,000) and Mayo (124,000) as well as being an option for people living in counties like Offaly (71,000) and Westmeath (79,000).
Combined, that's almost 40% of the population of Ireland. As long as Dublin remains the only transatlantic alternative, Shannon's business should remain strong.
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Sony.......having dusted off the Enigma machine, I have finally managed to decypher your post. It has obviously helped, particularly with connections, however Continental were doing well prior to its introduction!