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Is there such a thing as airport management and Ryanair on same page when it comes to agreements - more often than not the early positivity ends in tears at most airports - typical in that all the European inbound tourism access announced in fanfare from Shannon and Knock has now all but neem removed ie Paris, Munich, Berlin from Shannon and Eindhoven, Glasgow, Hahn from knock - so much for balanced regional development - will never happen unless govt put in place a regional access initiative
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My understanding is that the staff has changed quite a bit since the original deal was being worked out in 2013, alot of the newer management seem to prefer sustainable growth rather than Ryanair growth, this is evident by the new CEO securing Lufthansa and SAS when others couldn't.
And in regards to government and regional development, it'll never happen. In order to spend money you need money, and the Irish public expect all these infastructures and schemes to just appear without paying for it, so no political party will go for it.
In regards to Shannon, Berlin is a bad loss, I understand that it was a very good route for Ryanair with good onboard sales and yield in general. Pity to see it go.
And in regards to government and regional development, it'll never happen. In order to spend money you need money, and the Irish public expect all these infastructures and schemes to just appear without paying for it, so no political party will go for it.
In regards to Shannon, Berlin is a bad loss, I understand that it was a very good route for Ryanair with good onboard sales and yield in general. Pity to see it go.
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My understanding is that the staff has changed quite a bit since the original deal was being worked out in 2013, alot of the newer management seem to prefer sustainable growth rather than Ryanair growth, this is evident by the new CEO securing Lufthansa and SAS when others couldn't.
And in regards to government and regional development, it'll never happen. In order to spend money you need money, and the Irish public expect all these infastructures and schemes to just appear without paying for it, so no political party will go for it.
In regards to Shannon, Berlin is a bad loss, I understand that it was a very good route for Ryanair with good onboard sales and yield in general. Pity to see it go.
And in regards to government and regional development, it'll never happen. In order to spend money you need money, and the Irish public expect all these infastructures and schemes to just appear without paying for it, so no political party will go for it.
In regards to Shannon, Berlin is a bad loss, I understand that it was a very good route for Ryanair with good onboard sales and yield in general. Pity to see it go.
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Any Chance of getting AerLingus or even Lufthansa to do SNN to Berlin-Tegel? Maybe even Easyjet to Schönefeld twice a week? In would be Brillant just to see FRs reaction and if they offer to return, then sorry but we have done an "exklusive deal" for 2 years on this route. A repeat of what FR did in Cork with Wizz is not good for the Airport or passengers.
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Any Chance of getting AerLingus or even Lufthansa to do SNN to Berlin-Tegel? Maybe even Easyjet to Schönefeld twice a week? In would be Brillant just to see FRs reaction and if they offer to return, then sorry but we have done an "exklusive deal" for 2 years on this route. A repeat of what FR did in Cork with Wizz is not good for the Airport or passengers.
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Confirmed on the Shannon airport twitter page that the Berlin service is moving to Kerry - disappointing this service didn't work but the Kerry folk be delighted - prob do well down there
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If they (Shannon Group) put half the effort into route development as they do into property development/ management then perhaps we would have more positive than negative news. In saying that I never expected Kuwait to stay short term. Too many awards being handed out patting each other on the back for "Best Airport with cleanest toilet" awards thinking that's what keeps an airport ticking over. So much complacency down there it's unbelievable which has always been hereditary.
Sickens me and my employees having to drive to Dublin week in week out seeing the same Clare, Limerick and Galway folks boarding flights on a regular basis with an airport on our doorstep.
Wonder when the next upgrade in the departures lounge is going to happen as there always seems to be some so called "improved" customer experience construction/ refurbishment every few months which does not in anyway seem necessary and monies used could be used elsewhere on asking customers what they want rather than predefined questions about "experiences" and "where are you flying from SNN today"- data they already have!!!!. Many many times I have asked for my final destination to be included and also how many times I fly from another Irish airport, the reasons why, where, frequency and preferred timings. They have enough staff that could digest this information and conclude with a formidable analysis presentable to airlines. Anna Aero reported that 30k looked at SNN- AMS in 2015 so it should be at least an EMB175 route 3 times a week seen as AMS is a passenger friendly transit airport and based on those who did use SNN-CDG on AF who now head via DUB.
Always remember the Skynet flights where loads were not great to Moscow on the continuation with 80% getting off in AMS.
I feel difficult times are ahead for the airport in the medium & long term term especially on the Transatlantic be it aging 757's, Norwegian to non connecting friendly airports which could and possibly will damage the legacy carriers. Short flights apart from Stobart routes are being reduced and eliminated which does not inconvenience the "tourist traveller" as much as the "frequent" traveller. You can put up with longer stays at a transit airport such as Stansted using a lounge and doing a bit of work but when the transit ends up being 5/6/7/8/9/10+ hours then the only option is to head East up the motorway. Timings with Gatwick are now for tourists or those weekending in the West of Ireland or London only.
I have taken close on 12 departures from Ireland this year with 4 from SNN to USA and LHR with the balance to Dublin and thankfully my next one is Tuesday from SNN on UA.
As a foot note price is not the ultimate factor and should not be used to discourage airlines from using SNN as most of the time myself or my guys would spend a bit on fuel, staying in the Radisson at DUB etc. I'd prefer my gang to be home with their family and stress free rather than having a DUB slog.
Rant over.
Sickens me and my employees having to drive to Dublin week in week out seeing the same Clare, Limerick and Galway folks boarding flights on a regular basis with an airport on our doorstep.
Wonder when the next upgrade in the departures lounge is going to happen as there always seems to be some so called "improved" customer experience construction/ refurbishment every few months which does not in anyway seem necessary and monies used could be used elsewhere on asking customers what they want rather than predefined questions about "experiences" and "where are you flying from SNN today"- data they already have!!!!. Many many times I have asked for my final destination to be included and also how many times I fly from another Irish airport, the reasons why, where, frequency and preferred timings. They have enough staff that could digest this information and conclude with a formidable analysis presentable to airlines. Anna Aero reported that 30k looked at SNN- AMS in 2015 so it should be at least an EMB175 route 3 times a week seen as AMS is a passenger friendly transit airport and based on those who did use SNN-CDG on AF who now head via DUB.
Always remember the Skynet flights where loads were not great to Moscow on the continuation with 80% getting off in AMS.
I feel difficult times are ahead for the airport in the medium & long term term especially on the Transatlantic be it aging 757's, Norwegian to non connecting friendly airports which could and possibly will damage the legacy carriers. Short flights apart from Stobart routes are being reduced and eliminated which does not inconvenience the "tourist traveller" as much as the "frequent" traveller. You can put up with longer stays at a transit airport such as Stansted using a lounge and doing a bit of work but when the transit ends up being 5/6/7/8/9/10+ hours then the only option is to head East up the motorway. Timings with Gatwick are now for tourists or those weekending in the West of Ireland or London only.
I have taken close on 12 departures from Ireland this year with 4 from SNN to USA and LHR with the balance to Dublin and thankfully my next one is Tuesday from SNN on UA.
As a foot note price is not the ultimate factor and should not be used to discourage airlines from using SNN as most of the time myself or my guys would spend a bit on fuel, staying in the Radisson at DUB etc. I'd prefer my gang to be home with their family and stress free rather than having a DUB slog.
Rant over.
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Some valid points there banner but in fairness to Shannon the airlines all know it's there and they know the data on route capabilities - the airport has had all manner of services to all parts of Europe and the UK in the last number of years - many have worked transatlantic in particular - however airlines will deploy their assets where they get the best return and at the moment for the main carriers that's into the big hubs - Regional access to European cities has been tried over and over and seems to repeatedly fail so you have to ask yourself the question why ? I wouldn't be so quick to blame airport management - it's their job to get the routes not to fill them
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Hi Bannercounty,
Valid point of view, and Belfast has in many ways a similar challenge with people going to Dublin etc. The key difference being the strangle hold that RyanAir have over the place at SNN.
AMS, the airport asked about destinations and preferred timings etc, herein lies the problem. Of the 30k who want to fly to AMS would a 3 times weekly Embraer suit them at whatever time offered? Not sure... in AMS FR cannot get more slots to expand, so in that competitive environment for slots, likelihood is that airlines will see lots of better opportunities on routes with better returns ... so for a multitude of reasons SNN AMS not a runner..
On the same theme as congested airports and lack of slots and FR not being able to expand at LGW , will SNN maintain the SNN LGW route? As you point out timings are less than optimum
Valid point of view, and Belfast has in many ways a similar challenge with people going to Dublin etc. The key difference being the strangle hold that RyanAir have over the place at SNN.
AMS, the airport asked about destinations and preferred timings etc, herein lies the problem. Of the 30k who want to fly to AMS would a 3 times weekly Embraer suit them at whatever time offered? Not sure... in AMS FR cannot get more slots to expand, so in that competitive environment for slots, likelihood is that airlines will see lots of better opportunities on routes with better returns ... so for a multitude of reasons SNN AMS not a runner..
On the same theme as congested airports and lack of slots and FR not being able to expand at LGW , will SNN maintain the SNN LGW route? As you point out timings are less than optimum
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You do need to separate what people say they want with what they will actually lose. Too many people have very little idea about airports and routes and seem to think it's grand and easy to just start up a 13 times daily service to Amsterdam/Some airport in the middle of eastern Europe that nobody has ever heard of that has fares of €2.99 simply because it's a lovely destination and they can't see why everyone wouldn't want to go there.
Basically, while we get a perception of a strong demand for certain routes, most people won't use them and complain about price and frequency, or the airline, or the airport or the transport to the airport blah blah blah.
KLM in the future could try SNN-AMS, I could see that being a viable route, but I doubt it'll happen currently
My thoughts are stick to FRA with LH and try get that to a workable frequency.
Basically, while we get a perception of a strong demand for certain routes, most people won't use them and complain about price and frequency, or the airline, or the airport or the transport to the airport blah blah blah.
KLM in the future could try SNN-AMS, I could see that being a viable route, but I doubt it'll happen currently
My thoughts are stick to FRA with LH and try get that to a workable frequency.
Not to mention a small aicraft like an E145 into a major hub with associated handling charges and taxes = a whopper price per seat. People will drive to DUB to save a couple of hundred € all day long.
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Of course in the case of AMS alot of traffic will be connecting anyway so it shouldn't lose too much of the market. For O&D though it wouldn't be particularly suitable for the cost sensitive market.
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Anyone know what the backstory is here? Does this have any effect on the ability of SNN to receive diversions?
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Still capable of handling every aircraft, but yes this will stop many large diversions.
Airport is getting a runway overlay in the summer anyway so this would have stopped alot of them.
Airport is getting a runway overlay in the summer anyway so this would have stopped alot of them.
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What is perceived as the principal target market of the route? Scandinavians wishing to visit the west of Ireland? A connection to a secondary European hub for Shannon (an airport that is a bit shy in that regard)?
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Primary market is Scandinavians visiting Ireland. Similar to the Lufthansa target market (but Germans instead of course) which I understand is performing to or over the expectations.