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all I can see on google is a Clare pol on a jolly
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Just some info from local press on that terminal expansion and plans. You have to register for the full articles so i'll post . Feel free to remove if not appropriate
http://www.clarepeople.com/content/view/528/555/
THE Shannon Airport Authority has moved to expand the airport’s €30 million terminal building to prepare for the end of the Shannon stopover. The phased ending of the stopover will be complete by April of next year. The Shannon Airport Authority (SAA) is hoping that by then the airport will have a competitive advantage by having in place a full Customs and Border Protection Post. As a result, the SAA has lodged plans with Clare County Council for a two-storey extension to the existing terminal.
Planning documents lodged with the council state that “the proposed terminal extension is an integral part of Shannon Airport’s physical development to meet the significant challenges that lay ahead for the airport and in particular the introduction of ‘open skies’ in April 2008. “The design updates the existing terminal building in a sensitive manner, improving the external appearance of the older building, as well as the overall function of the terminal.” The SAA’s consultants believe that the extension will lead to an improved passenger experience at Shannon. In a statement, the SAA said yesterday, “Management at Shannon Airport confirmed that the DAA are currently examining the feasibility of upgrading the current US Immigration pre-inspection facility to a Full Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Inspection Post at Shannon.
“Exploratory talks have been held between the DAA, Shannon Airport management, the Department of Transport and the CBP Organisation on the matter. As part of the feasibility study, the airport confirms that they are seeking planning permission to extend the terminal building and carry out alterations to existing sections of the main terminal building. The statement said that “summer 2008 is the target date for the establishment of this facility subject to approval”. Explaining the significance of the move to put in place a customs facility last month, the SAA’s Executive chairman, Pat Shanahan said, “This means that airlines can fly into any domestic terminal in the US and won’t have to go through the international hubs. That is going to be a major bonus in Shannon and Shannon would be first airport in Europe to have that facility
“That is one of our tactics to try to sustain transatlantic traffic.”
A decision is due on the application during the summer.
http://www.clarepeople.com/content/view/562/555/
THE Executive Chairman of the Shannon Airport Authority (SAA), Pat Shanahan, has confirmed that €150 million will be spent on capital investment at the airport over the next 10 years. Mr Shanahan also confirmed that Shannon was on course to make a profit this year and that the Marsh Point Bar – closed last year as part of cutbacks at the airport – is to re-open in the next number of weeks. Mr Shanahan last Friday briefed airport employees on the future direction of Shannon following the implementation of the “survival plan”. Mr Shanahan said, “Morale among staff is positive. We have got to a very significant change in Shannon so there is going to be a period of time where people are unsure of their environment. Practically every job in the airport has changed so there will be a settling-in period. “But after two years of discussion and negotiations, people were more than relieved that we have actually come to a conclusion, particularly the employees remaining in Shannon. We are quite anxious to move on and turn Shannon into a vibrant international airport and get to a level of exceeding the customer services where Shannon was always deemed to be a friendly face.” With traffic levels at currently 3.6 million, Mr Shanahan said that the SAA had ambitions to breach the five million mark in the next number of years. “We don’t want to be overly optimistic either, we want to be realistic about what we can achieve. We are optimistic that we can achieve the figure of five million in a sensible time period,” he said. “We are currently growing at 10 per cent per annum and if the various markets continue to expand, then we will get close to it very soon. It is a very cyclical industry so it is very difficult to predict what might happen Mr Shanahan said that there were no immediate plans to lodge a business plan for the airport to Government. He said, “Our focus has been on implementing and making sure we have our cost base right.
He said, “We hope that we would have a very clear picture of the viability of the airport at the back end of this year..
http://www.clarepeople.com/content/view/528/555/
THE Shannon Airport Authority has moved to expand the airport’s €30 million terminal building to prepare for the end of the Shannon stopover. The phased ending of the stopover will be complete by April of next year. The Shannon Airport Authority (SAA) is hoping that by then the airport will have a competitive advantage by having in place a full Customs and Border Protection Post. As a result, the SAA has lodged plans with Clare County Council for a two-storey extension to the existing terminal.
Planning documents lodged with the council state that “the proposed terminal extension is an integral part of Shannon Airport’s physical development to meet the significant challenges that lay ahead for the airport and in particular the introduction of ‘open skies’ in April 2008. “The design updates the existing terminal building in a sensitive manner, improving the external appearance of the older building, as well as the overall function of the terminal.” The SAA’s consultants believe that the extension will lead to an improved passenger experience at Shannon. In a statement, the SAA said yesterday, “Management at Shannon Airport confirmed that the DAA are currently examining the feasibility of upgrading the current US Immigration pre-inspection facility to a Full Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Inspection Post at Shannon.
“Exploratory talks have been held between the DAA, Shannon Airport management, the Department of Transport and the CBP Organisation on the matter. As part of the feasibility study, the airport confirms that they are seeking planning permission to extend the terminal building and carry out alterations to existing sections of the main terminal building. The statement said that “summer 2008 is the target date for the establishment of this facility subject to approval”. Explaining the significance of the move to put in place a customs facility last month, the SAA’s Executive chairman, Pat Shanahan said, “This means that airlines can fly into any domestic terminal in the US and won’t have to go through the international hubs. That is going to be a major bonus in Shannon and Shannon would be first airport in Europe to have that facility
“That is one of our tactics to try to sustain transatlantic traffic.”
A decision is due on the application during the summer.
http://www.clarepeople.com/content/view/562/555/
THE Executive Chairman of the Shannon Airport Authority (SAA), Pat Shanahan, has confirmed that €150 million will be spent on capital investment at the airport over the next 10 years. Mr Shanahan also confirmed that Shannon was on course to make a profit this year and that the Marsh Point Bar – closed last year as part of cutbacks at the airport – is to re-open in the next number of weeks. Mr Shanahan last Friday briefed airport employees on the future direction of Shannon following the implementation of the “survival plan”. Mr Shanahan said, “Morale among staff is positive. We have got to a very significant change in Shannon so there is going to be a period of time where people are unsure of their environment. Practically every job in the airport has changed so there will be a settling-in period. “But after two years of discussion and negotiations, people were more than relieved that we have actually come to a conclusion, particularly the employees remaining in Shannon. We are quite anxious to move on and turn Shannon into a vibrant international airport and get to a level of exceeding the customer services where Shannon was always deemed to be a friendly face.” With traffic levels at currently 3.6 million, Mr Shanahan said that the SAA had ambitions to breach the five million mark in the next number of years. “We don’t want to be overly optimistic either, we want to be realistic about what we can achieve. We are optimistic that we can achieve the figure of five million in a sensible time period,” he said. “We are currently growing at 10 per cent per annum and if the various markets continue to expand, then we will get close to it very soon. It is a very cyclical industry so it is very difficult to predict what might happen Mr Shanahan said that there were no immediate plans to lodge a business plan for the airport to Government. He said, “Our focus has been on implementing and making sure we have our cost base right.
He said, “We hope that we would have a very clear picture of the viability of the airport at the back end of this year..
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"With traffic levels at currently 3.6 million, Mr Shanahan said that the SAA had ambitions to breach the five million mark in the next number of years."
How is shannon going to do this with all the heavies pulling out? Also,with flights not transiting through snn and on to dub anymore,won't numbers be down there too? 674,841 pax transited through shannon in 2005,i doubt all were troops?
Are the troop flights being cut back also?
Link:http://www.shannonairport.com/compan...icfigures.html
How is shannon going to do this with all the heavies pulling out? Also,with flights not transiting through snn and on to dub anymore,won't numbers be down there too? 674,841 pax transited through shannon in 2005,i doubt all were troops?
Are the troop flights being cut back also?
Link:http://www.shannonairport.com/compan...icfigures.html
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All the heavies pulling out?
See earlier posts- it looks like Aer Lingus (3 cities daily), Continental, Delta, US Air and Canadian charters at least will be operating at Shannon for the foreseeable future. I don't understand the desire of any poster- particularly those living anywhere within a reasonable drive from Shannon, to see fewer transatlantic services from a west of Ireland airport.
By the sound of Shannon's U.S. Customs & Border Protection (CBP) plans, passengers there will enjoy a significant improvement to their air travel experience. It may even encourage some travellers to use Shannon as their transatlantic gateway rather than Dublin, given the convenience and time-saving benefits offered by full CBP.
By the sound of Shannon's U.S. Customs & Border Protection (CBP) plans, passengers there will enjoy a significant improvement to their air travel experience. It may even encourage some travellers to use Shannon as their transatlantic gateway rather than Dublin, given the convenience and time-saving benefits offered by full CBP.
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Well said GaelGoir. There is still alot of bad feeling towards Shannon even now with the stopover demise and especially from those whos interst lies solely with Cork. It seems they all expected SNN would die with open skies. IMO it would be in everyones interest from cork to Mayo that these sevices remain and inprove at SNN. If not we will end up with a mediocre service from every regional airport on the western seaboard to the US and expect cockups like just happened at Knock to be the norm. What would you prefer, a few times daily service from SNN to the east coast and more or Flyglobespan 3 times a week from Cork ,Kerry, Knock and god knows where else. If the east coast of Ireland can cope with one airport and all its traffic then surely with the improving road structure in the west then SNN can provide a decent service to the US for everyone.
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Here here..you've explained points I wanted to raise but i'm just tired of SNN's death knell being sounded from the south. Negativity is terrible at times. With the Ennis bypass complete the journey from Galway is a lot simpler and CPO's are underway for the Crusheen - Gort part which will make that journey a lot shorter. Personally think the future is bright in the long term. The journey from Dublin has also been significantly reduced in recent times with the M7 and the Limerick - Nenagh section is also well underway which could see traffic from other parts of the country use Shannon as well. The Shannon Tunnel will also have an impact on journey times. Personally think it is very premature to be writing the place off at this stage
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After the road upgrades between Ennis and Oranmore, do you expect Shannon to shut Galway down or do you think there is room for both of them?
It'll presumably be only 45-50 minutes from Galway City Centre to Shannon then.
It'll presumably be only 45-50 minutes from Galway City Centre to Shannon then.
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Fully rich. Yes, quite so.
No doubt in my mind also that the DAA and the Irish state apparatus will do everything it's power to allow the decades of dirty tricks to continue at Shannon in one way or the other, the latest stunt being the proposed expansion of the US immigration post and as for all those new roads & highways and the new Limerick tunnel - how so conveniently done indeed. That has been right out of the Jackie Healy Rea School of Politics!
Shannon and the supporting public and private bodies in the midwest can trick as many folk as they want to up to their eyeballs. That has been easy to do with the liberal amount of public monies received from state patronage over the last 50 years or so in support of it's favoured position against other airports in Ireland.
Yez dont fool me with all yer oul' blather, not for one second.
No doubt in my mind also that the DAA and the Irish state apparatus will do everything it's power to allow the decades of dirty tricks to continue at Shannon in one way or the other, the latest stunt being the proposed expansion of the US immigration post and as for all those new roads & highways and the new Limerick tunnel - how so conveniently done indeed. That has been right out of the Jackie Healy Rea School of Politics!
Shannon and the supporting public and private bodies in the midwest can trick as many folk as they want to up to their eyeballs. That has been easy to do with the liberal amount of public monies received from state patronage over the last 50 years or so in support of it's favoured position against other airports in Ireland.
Yez dont fool me with all yer oul' blather, not for one second.
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That's the hope of the government and the SAA....to close GWY if you consider they are the busiest regional airport movements wise, I think they have about 3 times the scheduled movements of that great airport up North of them, and probably account for half of all the regional scheduled movements including Knock and Kerry yet they managed the smallest grant from central funds. Allegedly 2010 is the date that Shannon want it closed, that's why MOL launched the routes with the SAA recently, and I think owners in Galway are looking forward to the land sale. I do think it is sad that the third largest city in Ireland dosen't have an airport with a bright future, and I think it will impact heavily on the local economy. They are so dependent on multi nationals in that part of the world, and they will begin moving east shortly, indeed some have gone already, Crown springs to mind!
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For sure there is room for the two of them.
Shannon has survived with Cork since its conception. And Vice versa
Same goes for Galway
I highly doubt any airport is just going to "close down"
All can survive with each others presence. It is down to the travelling public to decide which airport they want to fly from, whether it is merely personal preference, or times, price etc
Shannon has survived with Cork since its conception. And Vice versa
Same goes for Galway
I highly doubt any airport is just going to "close down"
All can survive with each others presence. It is down to the travelling public to decide which airport they want to fly from, whether it is merely personal preference, or times, price etc
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so now its anti Cork bias and anti Galway bias..please..loose the chip on your shoulder! If you want to talk about dirty tricks etc...then Galway's boundary extension versus Limericks would be a case worth looking at and its position as Ireland's 3rd largest city is highly questionable! The Shannon region is also highly dependant on multinationals so that is a non runner..so too is most of the country. At present Shannon is far more vital to both Galway and Limerick than Galway Airport would be to either. Most of the multinationals in Galway are US..are they all heavily dependent on Galway airport. I doubt it..
I'm not going to argue over this any longer..Its Friday ..i should be happy!
I'm not going to argue over this any longer..Its Friday ..i should be happy!
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Why should Shannon have a monopoly of transatlantic flights serving the South and the West?
Cork, doesn't have or seek a monopoly of European services or UK flights.
This isn't berudgery it's just looking for a level playing pitch which we now have under open skies.
Time will tell if Shannon can sustain all these North Atlantic services.
Furthermore the airport cannot depend on the tragic situation in Iraq providing it with troop flights indefinetely. The revenue from these allows it to provide marketing support to other airlines from Ryanair to Delta.
There's an election in America next year so don't be surprised if Dubya reduces the troop levels in the near future.
Cork, doesn't have or seek a monopoly of European services or UK flights.
This isn't berudgery it's just looking for a level playing pitch which we now have under open skies.
Time will tell if Shannon can sustain all these North Atlantic services.
Furthermore the airport cannot depend on the tragic situation in Iraq providing it with troop flights indefinetely. The revenue from these allows it to provide marketing support to other airlines from Ryanair to Delta.
There's an election in America next year so don't be surprised if Dubya reduces the troop levels in the near future.
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Indeed and who is to say that there won't be more troops in Shannon next year after the election. If airlines want to fly transatlantic routes from Cork or elsewhere they will on the basis that the routes are economically viable and that the local infrastructure can support the route not on the basis of keeping local interests happy.
Cork airport is located on top of a hill. It wasn't someone from Shannon who decided to locate it there. Cork will always be held back because of it's location. If you want a level playing field i'd suggest that the best thing to level is the airport and start again. You can't possibly choose a worse location next time around.
The glee that is sometimes expressed by some posters on bad news stories for Shannon is really amazing. Shannon is the transatlantic gateway to the west because it is the location that makes the most sense at the moment. Cork will have transatlantic routes, of that i'm quite sure but we all know that up until airlines started using 757's there wasn't the type of aircraft suitable to operate T/A out of Cork. The stop over would have made no difference whatsoever. Hey, how about you try trade a New York for an Amsterdam or CDG they'd love those routes in Shannon.
Cork airport is located on top of a hill. It wasn't someone from Shannon who decided to locate it there. Cork will always be held back because of it's location. If you want a level playing field i'd suggest that the best thing to level is the airport and start again. You can't possibly choose a worse location next time around.
The glee that is sometimes expressed by some posters on bad news stories for Shannon is really amazing. Shannon is the transatlantic gateway to the west because it is the location that makes the most sense at the moment. Cork will have transatlantic routes, of that i'm quite sure but we all know that up until airlines started using 757's there wasn't the type of aircraft suitable to operate T/A out of Cork. The stop over would have made no difference whatsoever. Hey, how about you try trade a New York for an Amsterdam or CDG they'd love those routes in Shannon.
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In an ideal world, Cork Airport should have been built at sea level somewhere to the North of the city to provide servides to everywhere and anywhere for all of Munster. Shannon airport should have been built 40 miles to the North Near Galway and would cater for Connaught/noth Munster etc and there would have been no need for the miracle in Knock or the present Galway airport as it stands. Unfortunately though this did not happen and we have to live with what is and what should never have been.
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These mistakes are a result of the appalling attitude towards Aviation in this country over the decades.
Jokes aside it's incredible that Shannon can support 7 flights a day to the United States in an open skies situation 5 on a year round basis and that Cork cannot support even a seasonal transatlantic service.
There is no such thing as a transatlantic airport. Over time common sense and market forces will dictate who flys where. Shannon is still living on on the legacy of the stopover and will probably do so for a while yet.
The Aerlingus deal with Aer Arann will dilute the numbers in the Cork area who are forced to drive to Shannon.
Jokes aside it's incredible that Shannon can support 7 flights a day to the United States in an open skies situation 5 on a year round basis and that Cork cannot support even a seasonal transatlantic service.
There is no such thing as a transatlantic airport. Over time common sense and market forces will dictate who flys where. Shannon is still living on on the legacy of the stopover and will probably do so for a while yet.
The Aerlingus deal with Aer Arann will dilute the numbers in the Cork area who are forced to drive to Shannon.
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Well, that doesn't tie in with recent developments; June 26 2007
http://www.independent.ie/business/i...rt-772938.html
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That's the hope of the government and the SAA....to close GWY ... Allegedly 2010 is the date that Shannon want it closed ... and I think owners in Galway are looking forward to the land sale.
http://www.independent.ie/business/i...rt-772938.html
Mr [Joe] Walsh [general manager, Galway Airport] said the new hangar was the first phase of a €12m three-year investment plan at the airport.
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Ironically Galway might be better off without a jet runway as Aer Arann and Flybe are safe from a Ryanair assault.
That said Galway will be only 50 mins from Shannon when the motorway is built. Ryanair has repeatedly complained about disappointing yields there.
Wouldn't it suit them and the SAA fine if Galway and Aer Arann gave up the fight and Aerlingus scaled down their operations in Cork.
There has always been a hidden agenda in support of Shannon. For instance I know of one senior politician who was accused of rocking the boat when he expressed the hope that Cork would get transatlantic flights.
Some years ago a then member of management at Cork spoke of a wish to get US flights. He was promptly told to "go easy on the atlantic"
Shannon also cried foul some years ago just because Aerlingus put billboards around Cork advertising the Cork/Dublin/JFK option available at the time.
That said Galway will be only 50 mins from Shannon when the motorway is built. Ryanair has repeatedly complained about disappointing yields there.
Wouldn't it suit them and the SAA fine if Galway and Aer Arann gave up the fight and Aerlingus scaled down their operations in Cork.
There has always been a hidden agenda in support of Shannon. For instance I know of one senior politician who was accused of rocking the boat when he expressed the hope that Cork would get transatlantic flights.
Some years ago a then member of management at Cork spoke of a wish to get US flights. He was promptly told to "go easy on the atlantic"
Shannon also cried foul some years ago just because Aerlingus put billboards around Cork advertising the Cork/Dublin/JFK option available at the time.