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If connecting flights are important, WX won't get wiped out. If they aren't, well EI were not so silly to get out of the LHR business eh?
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It has all been a bit mad of late but can it be confirmed that FR are pulling the MAD-snn route for the winter? I am very curious about this route because it seems to me that FR only started the route last year to scupper the EI ORK-MAD route.
Now, you all know me and how much I should welcome a long haul from ORK to America. That I admit but for what it is worth and for social and family reasons I would have sooner have hung on to a ORK-MAD than a flight to America. Yes, believe it or not! So, if the route MAD to snn is going I am going to be particularly out of sorts, not that I would in any event have travelled snn-MAD. But still, it might have been option in an emergency.
Now, you all know me and how much I should welcome a long haul from ORK to America. That I admit but for what it is worth and for social and family reasons I would have sooner have hung on to a ORK-MAD than a flight to America. Yes, believe it or not! So, if the route MAD to snn is going I am going to be particularly out of sorts, not that I would in any event have travelled snn-MAD. But still, it might have been option in an emergency.
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SAA finally gets their thumbs out
The SAA yesterday announced a range of incentives for any airline willing to provide services from SNN to any or all of the following LHR,FRA,CDG,AMS
http://www.shannonairport.com/busine...ntschemes.html
There are incentives for the first five years with a tapering off after Y2
There are very specific requirements vis a vis services ( 2 daily m-f + 1 daily on sat and sun. am and pm deps
The airline must be able to market the destination as a point of connection as well as end of journey, the airline must be part of an alliance etc etc )
Well, it has only taken about 6 weeks for them to react!
http://www.shannonairport.com/busine...ntschemes.html
There are incentives for the first five years with a tapering off after Y2
There are very specific requirements vis a vis services ( 2 daily m-f + 1 daily on sat and sun. am and pm deps
The airline must be able to market the destination as a point of connection as well as end of journey, the airline must be part of an alliance etc etc )
Well, it has only taken about 6 weeks for them to react!
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Any possible EU state aid problems with this or is this comparable to other schemes?
Ironically, EI could benefit by initiating FRA/CDG and transferring AMS from ORK, leaving the LHR for a new entrant. I think we'd be picking up pieces of Tom the Tenor for weeks after the explosion though...
Ironically, EI could benefit by initiating FRA/CDG and transferring AMS from ORK, leaving the LHR for a new entrant. I think we'd be picking up pieces of Tom the Tenor for weeks after the explosion though...
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now there's a thought!
Aer Lingus get rid of the shannon staff, then restart operations there with all the incentives... who knows?
The SAA went to the EU recently, and the local media reported that the gist of the meeting was about exactly what Shannon could offer as an inducement for new services, without breaking the law. i'm sure that the SAA offer for new services is exactly the max that you can offer.
Aer Lingus get rid of the shannon staff, then restart operations there with all the incentives... who knows?
The SAA went to the EU recently, and the local media reported that the gist of the meeting was about exactly what Shannon could offer as an inducement for new services, without breaking the law. i'm sure that the SAA offer for new services is exactly the max that you can offer.
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Most airports have "Route support schemes" for new routes in the first few years of their operation, and subject to conditions defined by the airport. This is nothing new, or original, or different.
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is this a ploy by EI to put the frighteners on the unions and the local political pressurisers
take them down to the wire, let them look over the edge then at the 11th hour bring them all back with nice concessions ?
(someone mentioned above)
could be
however, it seems the slots are going to be re-allocated so EI can fly from US direct to LHR and bypass the Emerald completely
take them down to the wire, let them look over the edge then at the 11th hour bring them all back with nice concessions ?
(someone mentioned above)
could be
however, it seems the slots are going to be re-allocated so EI can fly from US direct to LHR and bypass the Emerald completely
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Ironically, EI could benefit by initiating FRA/CDG and transferring AMS from ORK
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Aerlingus are commited to Cork at this stage and are unlikely to dilute their operation there in the immediate future. It's a pity that Shannon didn't go for the approach adopted by Cork of doing individual route deals with a whole range of low costs rather than a single spectacular package with Ryanair.
Cork now has 6 low cost operators +Aerlingus, Aer Arann and Malev operating scheduled flights while Shannon will shortly be confined to Ryanair and Central Wings on its shorthaul market.
Cork now has 6 low cost operators +Aerlingus, Aer Arann and Malev operating scheduled flights while Shannon will shortly be confined to Ryanair and Central Wings on its shorthaul market.
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Aerlingus are commited to Cork at this stage and are unlikely to dilute their operation there in the immediate future. It's a pity that Ryanair didn't go for the approach adopted by Cork of doing individual route deals with a whole range of low costs rather than a single spectacular package with Ryanair.
Cork now has 6 low cost operators +Aerlingus, Aer Arann and Malev operating scheduled flights while Shannon will shortly be confined to Ryanair and Central Wings on its shorthaul market.
Cork now has 6 low cost operators +Aerlingus, Aer Arann and Malev operating scheduled flights while Shannon will shortly be confined to Ryanair and Central Wings on its shorthaul market.
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i fully agree. i really dont believe that Aer Lingus is the intended target for these incentives. As i and many others have stated, the problem for Aer Lingus at SNN is staff costs. This issue will not be solved anytime soon. The new route incentives are valid for services that commence in 2008 only. I cant see them letting staff go, and then the next day/week/month restarting services using outsourced staff. They'd want to have some cooling off period to let everything die down They also have a slot and aircraft shortage.
In short, Aer Lingus is going,going and almost gone, and not coming back as things stand.
I dont know if Shannon could support a double daily to all of the hubs, so what do the SAA want? One carrier to do one route, and then sit back and pat themselves on the back?, it wouldn't be the first time!
If you look at the incentive package, financially it seems quite good, but all of the stipulations mean that they are aiming for very specific carriers, you could name them on one hand. As i said, who knows what'll happen
In short, Aer Lingus is going,going and almost gone, and not coming back as things stand.
I dont know if Shannon could support a double daily to all of the hubs, so what do the SAA want? One carrier to do one route, and then sit back and pat themselves on the back?, it wouldn't be the first time!
If you look at the incentive package, financially it seems quite good, but all of the stipulations mean that they are aiming for very specific carriers, you could name them on one hand. As i said, who knows what'll happen
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Why couldnt shannon support double daily to hubs? We are able to sustain thrice daily to LHR and STN.
With regards to Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt- BVA is daily and is one of Ryanair's most profitable from Shannon. We have never had Amsterdam recently. HHN was there on and off, but that is 150km from Frankfurt
Please dont talk such rubbish "shannon cant support this that and the other". Its nothing but utter
With regards to Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt- BVA is daily and is one of Ryanair's most profitable from Shannon. We have never had Amsterdam recently. HHN was there on and off, but that is 150km from Frankfurt
Please dont talk such rubbish "shannon cant support this that and the other". Its nothing but utter
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Misquoted again.... yawn!!
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"shannon cant support this that and the other".
I think that you'll find the quote was ...
"I dont know if Shannon could support a double daily to all of the hubs"
Its written just above your post!
Do you really think that Shannon could support double daily to each of the 4 hubs listed?
If you actually read the quote, it has a completely different meaning to your point.
So before you decide to go off on one, please do the poster the courtesy of reading their post, and NOT misquote them to suit your argument
There endeth the lesson
"shannon cant support this that and the other".
I think that you'll find the quote was ...
"I dont know if Shannon could support a double daily to all of the hubs"
Its written just above your post!
Do you really think that Shannon could support double daily to each of the 4 hubs listed?
If you actually read the quote, it has a completely different meaning to your point.
So before you decide to go off on one, please do the poster the courtesy of reading their post, and NOT misquote them to suit your argument
There endeth the lesson
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Skynet seemed to be doing Ok on the Shannon-Amsterdam route a few years ago. I think if Cityjet could be encouraged to do a double daily on this route it might work. Dublin is one of the top ten airports in Europe now for its range of destinations so the new Ryanair service between Shannon and Dublin is great timing before the Heathrow route terminates.
London Heathrow is a nightmare airport to catch a connection with its 4 terminals and long security queues. Dublin and Amsterdam are far better hubs to connect through.
London Heathrow is a nightmare airport to catch a connection with its 4 terminals and long security queues. Dublin and Amsterdam are far better hubs to connect through.
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charlie roy - given the EU investigation at Charleroi (heh) I was merely observing that SNN better have their ps and qs in order.
BFP - given the O&D to LHR I'm not sure that's an apples-apples comparison.
beamwidth - the SNN route support doc specifically rules out restarting killed routes and getting support.
ryan2000 - The ORK supposition was really to see if I could get a rise out of poor oul TTT
It must be galling somewhat to EI management that having been apparently ridden by SNN interests over the years that now they are pulling out all sorts of incentives are on the table.
As for CDG - I don't see what Beauvais has to do with it. After all, with the route support it would be an ideal opportunity to hit O'Leary hard on an FR route rather than continually have him whittle away at the EI network.
BFP - given the O&D to LHR I'm not sure that's an apples-apples comparison.
beamwidth - the SNN route support doc specifically rules out restarting killed routes and getting support.
ryan2000 - The ORK supposition was really to see if I could get a rise out of poor oul TTT
It must be galling somewhat to EI management that having been apparently ridden by SNN interests over the years that now they are pulling out all sorts of incentives are on the table.
As for CDG - I don't see what Beauvais has to do with it. After all, with the route support it would be an ideal opportunity to hit O'Leary hard on an FR route rather than continually have him whittle away at the EI network.
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Restrictions on EHIS Scheme
"beamwidth - the SNN route support doc specifically rules out restarting killed routes and getting support."
If you're refering to the Notes section of the doc., then that's not exactly what it says.
i dont think they're trying to close the door on EI, but the wording would disbar them from starting up a FRA,CDG, or AMS instead of LHR. Whether they wanted to or not (probably not)
If you're refering to the Notes section of the doc., then that's not exactly what it says.
i dont think they're trying to close the door on EI, but the wording would disbar them from starting up a FRA,CDG, or AMS instead of LHR. Whether they wanted to or not (probably not)
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Ryanair will further expand its Shannon base due to current strong forward bookings.
Ryanair’s services will almost double on Shannon – London from 4 to 7 flights daily with services from Shannon to Gatwick, Luton and Stansted, where Shannon passengers can connect to more destinations than they presently can from Heathrow.
Ryanair intends to double its Shannon-Paris services to a twice daily flight next Summer
and Ryanair is now in negotiations with Amsterdam Schiphol Airport to see if a viable cost base can be agreed to allow a low fare Shannon-Amsterdam route to be launched
Shannon want to attract airlines to fly to LHR, CDG, FRA and AMS, and that they will offer connecting flights. If anyone does take up the Shannon deal for these routes, rest assured that Ryanair will have high frequency flights to STN, LTN, LGW, AMS, BVA, HHN, at 1 cent fares everyday of the week, taking any and all potential leisure passengers away from the airline operating to the nearby hub.
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That's a first! Normally at every quarterly report Ryanair make a point of saying that bookings at Shannon are weaker than wished for.
Connect????!!! What? Is Ryanair going to abandon it's point to point policy? Don't think so
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It is believed BMI has concerns that Ryanair, which operates services to Gatwick, Stansted and Luton, would also target point-to-point passengers on the Shannon-Heathrow route.
I can't see a BMI Shannon - Heathrow service materialising, especially with Ryanair upping the ante.
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BMI says no to LHR
It is reported that BMI have declined the offer to take up the SNN-LHR route
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1005/shannon.html
Realistically that was the last chance for a continuation of the service. BA had already turned it down. Cant see any other Airline trying it out.
Does anyone have any info bout the other hubs to which the SAA are offering deals on?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1005/shannon.html
Realistically that was the last chance for a continuation of the service. BA had already turned it down. Cant see any other Airline trying it out.
Does anyone have any info bout the other hubs to which the SAA are offering deals on?