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When did Dempsey know?
It appears that the SAA got its response from BMI a week ago and that the minister knew about the same time, ie. before the Dail debate. I'm not an expert on Dail procedure, but surely to proceed with the debate without letting the assembled representatives know amounts to misleading the Dail?
FG's new transport bod, Fergus O'Dowd, has called on the govt to get EI to reverse its decision; sod all chance of that happening, I suspect.
However, what is the govt's strategy now? Wasn't it said not so long ago that the govt's intention was to get BOTH the LHR route and a route to a European hub; how does it see itself delivering on this?
FG's new transport bod, Fergus O'Dowd, has called on the govt to get EI to reverse its decision; sod all chance of that happening, I suspect.
However, what is the govt's strategy now? Wasn't it said not so long ago that the govt's intention was to get BOTH the LHR route and a route to a European hub; how does it see itself delivering on this?
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There was some speculation that the Govt might buy or lease LHR Slots for Shannon but whether that would be enough to attract an airline on the route is doubtful especially if there was any question of an artificial subsidy.
The extra Ryanair flights next year on LGW LTN adnd STN are cold comfort for Shannon as it probably deters other carriers from starting a Heathrow service.
The extra Ryanair flights next year on LGW LTN adnd STN are cold comfort for Shannon as it probably deters other carriers from starting a Heathrow service.
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I think BMI were SNN's last real hope of retaining LHR. Even if the Government or Airport were to manage to buy LHR slots (which at the best of times is nigh on impossible, let alone with open skies round the corner) who would operate it?
Any carrier who did look at it would already have to have a base at either LHR or SNN to make it viable as setting up a new base would be costly.
EI are giving it up, BA & BMI don't want it. Their are plenty of airlines based at LHR but all the likely ones have been named? Who else would be interested in operating this route?
SNN only has one based option and that is FR - which would be an eyewatering sight at LHR but prob wouldn't happen as the landing charges would be 'outrageous' as FR regularly say.
And finally as Ryan2000 said the extra FR sectors wouldn't exactely encourange anyone onto the route.
Any carrier who did look at it would already have to have a base at either LHR or SNN to make it viable as setting up a new base would be costly.
EI are giving it up, BA & BMI don't want it. Their are plenty of airlines based at LHR but all the likely ones have been named? Who else would be interested in operating this route?
SNN only has one based option and that is FR - which would be an eyewatering sight at LHR but prob wouldn't happen as the landing charges would be 'outrageous' as FR regularly say.
And finally as Ryan2000 said the extra FR sectors wouldn't exactely encourange anyone onto the route.
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i think that the last few posts sum it all up in a nutshell.
SAA have been harping om about the "talks" with BMI for a while now. Thats all over now.
There has not been any mention of negotiations with any carrier for the other routes that they're offering deals on.
Ryanair had stated that they were in touch with AMS, but they would not qualify for the EHIS as they're a point to point airline.
I'd be surprised if there was any uptake on the EHIS routes. This is going to be Ryanairs airport for as long as they stick around. Their deal with SAA is up for negotiation in the not too distant future, and i'm sure they'll hammer out a great deal with the SAA, if they chose to!
Someone mentioned here before something about the SAA making a deal with the devil ..... very prophetic words!
SAA have been harping om about the "talks" with BMI for a while now. Thats all over now.
There has not been any mention of negotiations with any carrier for the other routes that they're offering deals on.
Ryanair had stated that they were in touch with AMS, but they would not qualify for the EHIS as they're a point to point airline.
I'd be surprised if there was any uptake on the EHIS routes. This is going to be Ryanairs airport for as long as they stick around. Their deal with SAA is up for negotiation in the not too distant future, and i'm sure they'll hammer out a great deal with the SAA, if they chose to!
Someone mentioned here before something about the SAA making a deal with the devil ..... very prophetic words!
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speculation by whom ryan2000? Someone who doesn't know that only AOC holders can acquire slots, not governments?
Now they could put the ministerial transport on a civil AOC maybe but that would deprive the Air Corps of their only fast jets...
Now they could put the ministerial transport on a civil AOC maybe but that would deprive the Air Corps of their only fast jets...
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Mark D, the Speculation was in last weeks Sunday Tribune although nothing that has happened since has suggested it'll happen. It's not the end of the world Shannon at least in terms of numbers using the airport. Any further slippage in transatlantic services or cutbacks by Ryanair would be far more damaging in that regard. In fact their London traffic might increase next year if the 3 extra Ryanairs materialise.
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Belavia have decided to reverse their decision to end the SNN-MSQ
route. While it will end in October as planned, it will recommence in
December. They plan to offer at least 3 weekly flights during summer and
offer onward connections to Russia etc.
route. While it will end in October as planned, it will recommence in
December. They plan to offer at least 3 weekly flights during summer and
offer onward connections to Russia etc.
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It gets more pathetic by the day ...
I cannot recall the govt - indeed any govt - having dealt with an issue as badly as it has dealt with this one; it now emerges that civil servants in the DoT were told in June about the EI plan, although the govt says it was only told in late July, 6 weeks later and the minister said he was only officially told on the 3rd August, by EI. So, what happened in those intervening six weeks? The minister has ordered a report, which (as Eamon Gilmore has pointed out) will be drafted by the same people who withheld the info in the first place.
It's just incredible to see the amount of back-pedalling and buck-passing that is going on. Can we, legitimately, say that govt and the civil service should be treated differently as regards info; i.e. isn't the CS part of the govt apparatus and thus, when it knows, the govt is deemed to know. What do we get? A litany of excuses for inactivity, worthy of the Simpsons "nobody told me, can't prove anything, don't know where Shannon is, not in my job description, yada yada yada" ...
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...569-qqqx=1.asp
God help them, come the next election!
It's just incredible to see the amount of back-pedalling and buck-passing that is going on. Can we, legitimately, say that govt and the civil service should be treated differently as regards info; i.e. isn't the CS part of the govt apparatus and thus, when it knows, the govt is deemed to know. What do we get? A litany of excuses for inactivity, worthy of the Simpsons "nobody told me, can't prove anything, don't know where Shannon is, not in my job description, yada yada yada" ...
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...569-qqqx=1.asp
God help them, come the next election!
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The next election is a long way away and even then will it make a difference?
The government hold 2 of 5 seats in Limerick East, 1 of 3 in Tipperary North and 2 of 4 in Clare. Is any of 1 of 5, 0 of 3 or 1 of 4 realistically going to happen? Only in Limerick West, where they have 2 of 3 is there any threat to them and as I saw pointed out elsewhere, most parts of Limerick West are only 10-15 minutes further by car from Cork than they are from Shannon.
You can be sure that this has been factored in to the decision to do nothing.
It will probably make a difference come the next local elections. Then again, the three government parties hold a massive 2 of the 17 council seats in Limerick. As they're on 16 of 32 in Clare, it would be a problem there, but they probably don't regard a few lost council seats in Clare as a major priority.
The government hold 2 of 5 seats in Limerick East, 1 of 3 in Tipperary North and 2 of 4 in Clare. Is any of 1 of 5, 0 of 3 or 1 of 4 realistically going to happen? Only in Limerick West, where they have 2 of 3 is there any threat to them and as I saw pointed out elsewhere, most parts of Limerick West are only 10-15 minutes further by car from Cork than they are from Shannon.
You can be sure that this has been factored in to the decision to do nothing.
It will probably make a difference come the next local elections. Then again, the three government parties hold a massive 2 of the 17 council seats in Limerick. As they're on 16 of 32 in Clare, it would be a problem there, but they probably don't regard a few lost council seats in Clare as a major priority.
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Its intersteing that the timing of the deliverance of this information to the dot happened during a transition of ministers and hense maybe had the desired effect of falling between 2 stools, or fools in this case.
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The next election is a long way away and even then will it make a difference
But the government should, however, have had the backbone to say "Ya, we knew about the axe all along, but just didn't care."
Votes, votes, votes...
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Nice one, fullrich. Was it plain incompetence? Looks like it to me.
Any more news on the Astraeus and connectivity crowd's application for slots for SNN-LHR that was doing the rounds at the end of last week?
Any more news on the Astraeus and connectivity crowd's application for slots for SNN-LHR that was doing the rounds at the end of last week?
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Embarrassing for you is it Charlie Roy because you felt nobody would turn up or because you just dont see their point of view? Or embarrassing for the 10,000 souls who might have their face on tv? Or becasue of what outsiders looking in might think, even though you were the first to tell them?