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Good point Copenhagen. I guess ORK has to decide whether it should go the LCC route and all that that entails, or whether it should try and remain as it - a growing regional airport served by a variety of carriers.
SNN has obviously decided that FR, warts and all, is the future. Sure, they will do well from both the US Military Transports and the transatlantic stopover, but growth there is limited unless the Iraq war lasts forever and the T/A routes will decline once the stopover is history. Its FR strategy makes sense in that respect.
But how can ORK react...should it fall for the FR shilling and piss off its other clients and risk the pull-out of the likes of EZ? While FR would offer more passengers and new routes, any growing dependcy on them has its own inherent risks.
Mind you, ORK can only blame itself for many of its ills. Things were never right from day one....the place was built on the foggiest hill in Ireland after all!
SNN has obviously decided that FR, warts and all, is the future. Sure, they will do well from both the US Military Transports and the transatlantic stopover, but growth there is limited unless the Iraq war lasts forever and the T/A routes will decline once the stopover is history. Its FR strategy makes sense in that respect.
But how can ORK react...should it fall for the FR shilling and piss off its other clients and risk the pull-out of the likes of EZ? While FR would offer more passengers and new routes, any growing dependcy on them has its own inherent risks.
Mind you, ORK can only blame itself for many of its ills. Things were never right from day one....the place was built on the foggiest hill in Ireland after all!
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For me, an airport has to decide if it wants to be low cost, with substandard facilities (HHN), or a quality airport terminal construction (new ORK terminal from what I am reading). It seems that many here want a quality airport, with the low cost airlines, and that doesnt make financial sense, as the airport authority has to live within its means.
IMHO, rather than give everything to FR who will abandon ship when it suits them, ORK should have continued to gone after major carriers that connect the region to the world. How about a twice daily LH CRJ to FRA?
IMHO, rather than give everything to FR who will abandon ship when it suits them, ORK should have continued to gone after major carriers that connect the region to the world. How about a twice daily LH CRJ to FRA?
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Amsterdam will be served better than ever before from Cork this summer so it is likely any potential connecting traffic for the likes of FRA would be that bit less? However, do not get me wrong a Frankfurt - Cork at x 3/7 would be very welcome. What is more frustrating though is the loss of Munich which had become reasonably well established over the last year. Even a x2/7 would have been good but no, it was not to be, alas.
Kerry has more flights to Germany than Cork.
There is really no choice now - Cork Airport's debt for the new terminal just has to be honoured as Mr Brennan as Minister for Transport said it would be a few years ago. No ifs, buts or ands. Cork Airport has very little future in the years ahead otherwise and as a strategic national asset for the south of the nation the airport must now be shown the same level of patronage by government as other airports have enjoyed for so long in the past.
It really is 5h!t or bust for Cork Airport.
Kerry has more flights to Germany than Cork.
There is really no choice now - Cork Airport's debt for the new terminal just has to be honoured as Mr Brennan as Minister for Transport said it would be a few years ago. No ifs, buts or ands. Cork Airport has very little future in the years ahead otherwise and as a strategic national asset for the south of the nation the airport must now be shown the same level of patronage by government as other airports have enjoyed for so long in the past.
It really is 5h!t or bust for Cork Airport.
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For me, an airport has to decide if it wants to be low cost, with substandard facilities (HHN), or a quality airport terminal construction (new ORK terminal from what I am reading). It seems that many here want a quality airport, with the low cost airlines, and that doesnt make financial sense, as the airport authority has to live within its means.
IMHO, rather than give everything to FR who will abandon ship when it suits them, ORK should have continued to gone after major carriers that connect the region to the world. How about a twice daily LH CRJ to FRA?
IMHO, rather than give everything to FR who will abandon ship when it suits them, ORK should have continued to gone after major carriers that connect the region to the world. How about a twice daily LH CRJ to FRA?
It's obvious that LH have no interest in Cork. It'll take an imaginative deal with a low cost carrier to move the traffic above 3 million and this in turn will dilute the Ryanair traffic at Shannon. Not sure if the CAA are prepared to take such a risk though events later in the year may force them to go for it.
Even the old regime were very cautious about a major package with Ryanair or Easyjet as having a portfolio of airlines seemed a safer option.
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Do we all know each other ?
Guys we must all be friends, maybe the only 6 people in the world who care.
I also had a tour of the new facility and its excellent top class and an airport to be proud of. I have seen enough of the other kind.
As to Ryanair lets not tie up the issue of the debt and Ryanair to an overdue extent.
Ryanair will also play to the lowest common denominator, in terms costs and I think that the former Management at Cork Airport rightly decided not to over encourage him . Its an airport not a discount store .The airport needs airlines that want a high standard of passenger service and are willing to pay the going rate. The problem associated with the debt is that if Cork has to carry it ,then it cannot operate at the going rate but will have to double it.
So ,we need the debt to be paid for by Dublin (They took All the assets) we dont necessarily need to be "RYanAirised" as is Shannon and finally we need to be talking transatlantic -757s into New York ASAP.
I also had a tour of the new facility and its excellent top class and an airport to be proud of. I have seen enough of the other kind.
As to Ryanair lets not tie up the issue of the debt and Ryanair to an overdue extent.
Ryanair will also play to the lowest common denominator, in terms costs and I think that the former Management at Cork Airport rightly decided not to over encourage him . Its an airport not a discount store .The airport needs airlines that want a high standard of passenger service and are willing to pay the going rate. The problem associated with the debt is that if Cork has to carry it ,then it cannot operate at the going rate but will have to double it.
So ,we need the debt to be paid for by Dublin (They took All the assets) we dont necessarily need to be "RYanAirised" as is Shannon and finally we need to be talking transatlantic -757s into New York ASAP.
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So, what happened this evening?
I was about to come out of the terminal around 9:15pm and suddenly all the power went at the airport. When I got outside, there was smoke everywhere and there seemed to be flames coming out of a building next to the old part of the old terminal.
I was about to come out of the terminal around 9:15pm and suddenly all the power went at the airport. When I got outside, there was smoke everywhere and there seemed to be flames coming out of a building next to the old part of the old terminal.
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Cork - New York is at best still two summers off in the distance if it happens at all. Dont like admitting to that opinion here in a public forum but that is how it feels now. Also, is there not something about snn dropping charges for U.S.A. flights substantially for the winters ahead to hang on to business and along with Mr Mannion from EI committing the pax numbers ex snn to America in a post stopover future it will take great, great marketing from Cork to get a New York flight into play.
Cork Airport having to pay for her terminal will slow down things big time in getting new business. Better off first for Cork to get her current customers in and be good to them? Let us consolidate the airport's current business before hunting for any new stuff. Anyway, where will the marketing money be if the terminal debt remains at Cork? If it does the airport is stuffed.
It sure is not a level playing field at the ex Aer Rianta airports.
Cork Airport having to pay for her terminal will slow down things big time in getting new business. Better off first for Cork to get her current customers in and be good to them? Let us consolidate the airport's current business before hunting for any new stuff. Anyway, where will the marketing money be if the terminal debt remains at Cork? If it does the airport is stuffed.
It sure is not a level playing field at the ex Aer Rianta airports.
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Well, Padraig O'Ceidigh speaking at the ERAA conference in Copenhagen ten days ago said that he was planning to step back from the day-to-day running of Aer Arann and that one new project he'd consider would be setting up a new low-cost transatlantic operation with 4-5 757s or 767s. He did say, though, that he currently put the chances of this happening at between 10% and 20%. All the same, I suspect there'd be more chance of a Cork transatlantic service with that new carrier than with EI...
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Hi from sunny Teesside.
Just a couple of questions.....hows the bmi baby teesside route doing?......hopefully coming to cork for a weekend in the summer...heard its a great place for a weekend!...also hows the jet2 newcastle route holding up?.....cheers
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Just a couple of questions.....hows the bmi baby teesside route doing?......hopefully coming to cork for a weekend in the summer...heard its a great place for a weekend!...also hows the jet2 newcastle route holding up?.....cheers
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I just hope that MME and NCL do not cancel each other out for the coming summer what with about four or so weekly services from both destinations.
About 70 miles between MME and NCL - now where have we heard that before? Whatever way it is between those two airports in terms of competition I bet it is more of a level playing field than between Cork and snn?
Last Saturday's FUA1219 from LPA was delayed for about 11 hours and the flight was eventually flown by a EuroAtlantic Boeing 767-300ER in their full colours. She was parked at the St Finbarrs's Cemetery stand (15!) so the pax had a good long walk to and from the aircraft. Now, just image their humor at the end of an 11 hour delay and it was lucky for them that it was not raining at the time. Many other Cork passengers were were not as fortunate over the course of the day on Saturday.
The chartered Monarch Airbus A320 for the Munster Vs Perpignan rugby game at Landsdowne Road was also on the ground at the same time as the 767 so the Cork Airport ramp was quite an impressive sight around midnight Saturday along with the parked EI, RE and FR aircraft.
About 70 miles between MME and NCL - now where have we heard that before? Whatever way it is between those two airports in terms of competition I bet it is more of a level playing field than between Cork and snn?
Last Saturday's FUA1219 from LPA was delayed for about 11 hours and the flight was eventually flown by a EuroAtlantic Boeing 767-300ER in their full colours. She was parked at the St Finbarrs's Cemetery stand (15!) so the pax had a good long walk to and from the aircraft. Now, just image their humor at the end of an 11 hour delay and it was lucky for them that it was not raining at the time. Many other Cork passengers were were not as fortunate over the course of the day on Saturday.
The chartered Monarch Airbus A320 for the Munster Vs Perpignan rugby game at Landsdowne Road was also on the ground at the same time as the 767 so the Cork Airport ramp was quite an impressive sight around midnight Saturday along with the parked EI, RE and FR aircraft.
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Airshow
How many of yez saw the airshow at Cork yesterday? It was one of those exceptionally rare days at Cork with gin clear visibility all around. The Mammy in law was due out on FR906. Saw the FR905 turning left base for a visual approach to runway 17 just after 6 pm. She looked a biteen high and needed to bleed some of it off. She did that but then looked a biteen fast and a go around was begun at what seemed to be around circuit altitude. The graceful lady, EI-CSA, adorned with her smart new winglets was gleaming as she passed us all by at the Liberty Stream Balcony in the beautiful clear blue sky with the bright sun going down in the west. What a sight!
It seemed an age but the lady came around again 10 minutes later shooting a standard ILS approach for a safe landing on 17. This time though she had a large audience with a big turn out of old and young alike watching her all the way down the approach to landing.
Those Ryanair passengers sure got value for their short flight from Stansted to Cork yesterday.
Sure enough it all happens at Cork Airport!
It seemed an age but the lady came around again 10 minutes later shooting a standard ILS approach for a safe landing on 17. This time though she had a large audience with a big turn out of old and young alike watching her all the way down the approach to landing.
Those Ryanair passengers sure got value for their short flight from Stansted to Cork yesterday.
Sure enough it all happens at Cork Airport!
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A few more flights have now been loaded into the Aer Lingus website including Warsaw flights and evening flights to Amsterdam.
The schedule as it now appears would definitely require 4 aircraft to operate it, but with some significant gaps (the fourth aircraft doesn't even appear to be used on Tuesdays or Saturdays). Assuming that there is some accuracy in what's bookable, it would appear that sun destinations are being scaled back for Winter (with Nice completely gone).
So, if this is the case, what will be added? Another Polish/Baltic destination? A destination that may appeal to skiers (Geneva)?
The schedule as it now appears would definitely require 4 aircraft to operate it, but with some significant gaps (the fourth aircraft doesn't even appear to be used on Tuesdays or Saturdays). Assuming that there is some accuracy in what's bookable, it would appear that sun destinations are being scaled back for Winter (with Nice completely gone).
So, if this is the case, what will be added? Another Polish/Baltic destination? A destination that may appeal to skiers (Geneva)?
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I'm really disappointed that the Munich flight is now gone. It's going to be hard to get there this summer now. I thought it was performing well to be honest. Ah well, all good things come to an end at some stage. 
The terminal is also looking great as everything seems to be wrapping up. Looking forward to seeing it in operation. Lets just hope more routes can come out of this glass hut in the next few months and we won't lose anymore
The terminal is also looking great as everything seems to be wrapping up. Looking forward to seeing it in operation. Lets just hope more routes can come out of this glass hut in the next few months and we won't lose anymore
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The coverage in last night's Cork Evening Echo in relation to Cork Airport's marketing was so embarassing that it was better to leave it unremarked upon on these forums. You must trust me on this one!
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hi all
quick question, i saw an air wales atr on the ramp a couple of days ago at cork thought they had wound up pax ops..any one have any idea what they are upto of late???
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quick question, i saw an air wales atr on the ramp a couple of days ago at cork thought they had wound up pax ops..any one have any idea what they are upto of late???
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ej