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SURE HE LOVES CORK
Here boy ,sur Micky has great Cork connections MAybe thats why he keeps some bit of traffic here ...its just out of charity or maybe he cant afford to lose all of those nice slots into the UK, which are like gold.
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what a fu@kin langer. all that guy is, is a bloody muck savage from a mickey mouse county that only ever had foster and allen playing at midfield on all ireland day.. pri!k....
cork is the greatest county i irelad ask anyone from cork and they will tell you....!!
COME ON YOU REBELS!!!!!!
cork is the greatest county i irelad ask anyone from cork and they will tell you....!!
COME ON YOU REBELS!!!!!!
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More Ryanair flight reductions to come at Cork?
Looks like there are yet more headaches on the way for Cork Airport? Take a look at the Ryanair website and check out the schedule for STN-ORK. Sadly, it appears that the FR907/8, the late evening flight is gone off the timetable from first week in June to first week in September. That is bad enough but the situation is even worse if you now bear in mind that it appears that there will be just the one flight on STN-ORK on a Saturday during the same start June to start September timeframe. So on a Saturday down from 4 flights last year to just the one this coming peak summer period! Pretty radical stuff which puts the cutbacks on LPL-ORK into marked perspective. More than 30,000 more seats being lost from Cork. The irony is that the FR907/8 remains on the schedule from September going forward but how long that may last is anyone's guess now. Anyone have any comments on this new even more serious situation?
Let us not lose sight either that Aer Arann seems to be all set to drop Cork - Birmingham from the start of the summer schedule in a few weeks time. Two daily flights except Saturday appear to be gone which works out at about another 1,700 seats lost per week. More serious losses.
I hope yez all enjoyed yer cheap flights to London, lads and lassies, coz it is all over now! However, the Ryanair stance does seems rather bizarre as the real gain this summer on London will be in the Aer Lingus court. The A320 will be too small the way things are going!
Let us not lose sight either that Aer Arann seems to be all set to drop Cork - Birmingham from the start of the summer schedule in a few weeks time. Two daily flights except Saturday appear to be gone which works out at about another 1,700 seats lost per week. More serious losses.
I hope yez all enjoyed yer cheap flights to London, lads and lassies, coz it is all over now! However, the Ryanair stance does seems rather bizarre as the real gain this summer on London will be in the Aer Lingus court. The A320 will be too small the way things are going!
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Looks as if Ryanair have abandoned their bullish attempts to force Easyjet out of Cork. Serious over capacity on the London Cork route for the entire winter and now they reduce frequency for the peak season!
Easyjet and Aerlingus have held their nerve and can now look forward to their yield and marketshare increasing.
Easyjet and Aerlingus have held their nerve and can now look forward to their yield and marketshare increasing.
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Aer Lingus will be going up to 5 rotations a day for the summer again. Although, they'll never suffer too much on that flight because the proportion of interlining passengers on the flights is high. It's also the only practical way to get to locations in West London, Reading and the Thames Valley, which has become an increasingly important business region, particularly for IT.
I'm not sure to what extent there is over-capacity on the Cork-London route as much as capacity to the wrong locations. Is 5 flights a day to Gatwick when there are none to Luton sensible? I had wondered if Easyjet might move one of their London flights there, but that may have appeared to be backing down too much to Ryanair.
I'm not sure to what extent there is over-capacity on the Cork-London route as much as capacity to the wrong locations. Is 5 flights a day to Gatwick when there are none to Luton sensible? I had wondered if Easyjet might move one of their London flights there, but that may have appeared to be backing down too much to Ryanair.
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I think there is an opportunity there now for Aer Arann to introduce one rotation from Cork to Luton in the evening time even if it was just for the period June to end of August? Why not, it is at the height of the summer peak and they could hardly lose out and even more so if there are some new ATR-72-500s coming down the chute?
Just saw last night's Evening Echo. Cork Airport is a key sponsor of this year's local St Patrick's Festival. The airport has sponsored a load of flags that can be seen along the length of Patrick Street and the airport is also a key sponsor of this weekend's "Carnival of Fools", which the Echo says will be a family fun event involvling street entertainers, jugglers, tight rope acts, acrobatics, theatre on stilts, clowns, giant puppets and traditional dancing.
At the airport on the big day, 17th March, arriving passengers at Cork Airport will be met by a St Patrick look a like who will be handing out shamrock.
Begob, now, a "Carnival of Fools" festival! What next!?
Just saw last night's Evening Echo. Cork Airport is a key sponsor of this year's local St Patrick's Festival. The airport has sponsored a load of flags that can be seen along the length of Patrick Street and the airport is also a key sponsor of this weekend's "Carnival of Fools", which the Echo says will be a family fun event involvling street entertainers, jugglers, tight rope acts, acrobatics, theatre on stilts, clowns, giant puppets and traditional dancing.
At the airport on the big day, 17th March, arriving passengers at Cork Airport will be met by a St Patrick look a like who will be handing out shamrock.
Begob, now, a "Carnival of Fools" festival! What next!?
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Adverts that just give the name of the airport seem a bit pointless to me.
They need to let people know where they can go from Cork Airport. Advertising should also be focused into places like Tipperary and Kilkenny. Anyone from Cork is going to chose to fly from Cork, assuming that the schedule and price suites them.
Further afield, people are used to flying from Dublin because of the greater choice, and despite the fact that Cork may be more convenient for them, will continue to fly from Dublin because they aren't aware of the destinations available from Cork.
As an example, Kilkenny is roughly 145km from Cork and 130km from Dublin. So, Cork is slightly further, but the traveller is spared the pain of the Naas Rd and the M50. Yet, if someone from Kilkenny is planning a trip to Amsterdam, Paris or Prague, I wonder how many even think of looking for flights from Cork. Advertising needs to concentrate on areas where there are customers to be gained.
They need to let people know where they can go from Cork Airport. Advertising should also be focused into places like Tipperary and Kilkenny. Anyone from Cork is going to chose to fly from Cork, assuming that the schedule and price suites them.
Further afield, people are used to flying from Dublin because of the greater choice, and despite the fact that Cork may be more convenient for them, will continue to fly from Dublin because they aren't aware of the destinations available from Cork.
As an example, Kilkenny is roughly 145km from Cork and 130km from Dublin. So, Cork is slightly further, but the traveller is spared the pain of the Naas Rd and the M50. Yet, if someone from Kilkenny is planning a trip to Amsterdam, Paris or Prague, I wonder how many even think of looking for flights from Cork. Advertising needs to concentrate on areas where there are customers to be gained.
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840 is dead right... people at the parade in cork will look at the flags and say what..... hmmmmm we were aware of the airports existance alright but i guess it wont do any harm at least..
as a side issue to the envelope of scope of corks catchment area, i was fuming the other night while watching the rte programme "no frontiers" there was a thing on about budapest/Hungary. really good show, and at the end they were talking about how to get there.... yes you are right they said about the daily malev service from dublin but no mention of the cork run. what hope do we have with this sort of bias/poor info gathering...
still though happy st patricks day to you all....
as a side issue to the envelope of scope of corks catchment area, i was fuming the other night while watching the rte programme "no frontiers" there was a thing on about budapest/Hungary. really good show, and at the end they were talking about how to get there.... yes you are right they said about the daily malev service from dublin but no mention of the cork run. what hope do we have with this sort of bias/poor info gathering...
still though happy st patricks day to you all....
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The strenght of feeling must be shown
I have been closley following this issue for a long time. The problem is that there is no element of public outrage which could be read as lost votes.
I KNOW THAT If this happened in Shannon, politicians from Kerry to Donegal would be resigning the party whip. Remember the School of Music and Cork being ignored. Believe me if the matter was not stirred up -all of the Local TDs would have said nothing- THis includes the oposition who never really rock the boat.
What Cork needs is a BIG PUBLIC RALLY - a walk from the City to the Airport - it would be great if thousands showed up with pictures of Local TDs "out out out" etc. How many might show up say on MAy day? I am confident that 96 Fm and the the ECHO would give it a huge push over the next six weeks ...ASK Cork Companies to advertise it to employees. Murphys new BEER MATS .........
Possibility even of the City running a few airport canditates in the general election - there is nothing that threatens a shakey TD like a new popular candidate with a single issue.One North and one South Central -I think that people just might react if this was properly stage managed . Would Eddy Hobbs front a campaign "rip off Cork Airport"? Would he stand for election? Would anyone know how to ask him? IS there someone else with a good public profile who might stand?
Men, You can talk all you like about routes lost etc, all the TDS say is "we got ye the airport first day what more do you want." A show of people power is the only way to move this issue forward.
GET REAL -Get cracking -Get public
I KNOW THAT If this happened in Shannon, politicians from Kerry to Donegal would be resigning the party whip. Remember the School of Music and Cork being ignored. Believe me if the matter was not stirred up -all of the Local TDs would have said nothing- THis includes the oposition who never really rock the boat.
What Cork needs is a BIG PUBLIC RALLY - a walk from the City to the Airport - it would be great if thousands showed up with pictures of Local TDs "out out out" etc. How many might show up say on MAy day? I am confident that 96 Fm and the the ECHO would give it a huge push over the next six weeks ...ASK Cork Companies to advertise it to employees. Murphys new BEER MATS .........
Possibility even of the City running a few airport canditates in the general election - there is nothing that threatens a shakey TD like a new popular candidate with a single issue.One North and one South Central -I think that people just might react if this was properly stage managed . Would Eddy Hobbs front a campaign "rip off Cork Airport"? Would he stand for election? Would anyone know how to ask him? IS there someone else with a good public profile who might stand?
Men, You can talk all you like about routes lost etc, all the TDS say is "we got ye the airport first day what more do you want." A show of people power is the only way to move this issue forward.
GET REAL -Get cracking -Get public
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A walk from the city to the airport? On that road and at the speed the driver lunatics take the journey? You gotta to be kidding! Now, I am all for a protest up and down the length of the ramp on a nice, dry day if the covered walkways are at first to be guaranteed just in case it rains and in Cork it will eventually pour!
General Election candidates? Have you attended at a Cork A & E recently? There were 55 patients on trolleys at Cork University Hospital about two weeks ago. In Cork the hospital crisis is a huge ticking political timebomb as the HSE tries to provide an equal service. This topic could easily attract radical candidates be they independents or sinners etc.
As for the airport consciousness raising of the topic is as much as can be hoped for and that if people stop and think about the future of the place for more than 5 minutes that is the job done in many ways.
A march from the city to the airport indeed!
The one thing that Cork Airport must do more than anything else though is to keep it's friends close and it's enemies even closer.
General Election candidates? Have you attended at a Cork A & E recently? There were 55 patients on trolleys at Cork University Hospital about two weeks ago. In Cork the hospital crisis is a huge ticking political timebomb as the HSE tries to provide an equal service. This topic could easily attract radical candidates be they independents or sinners etc.
As for the airport consciousness raising of the topic is as much as can be hoped for and that if people stop and think about the future of the place for more than 5 minutes that is the job done in many ways.
A march from the city to the airport indeed!
The one thing that Cork Airport must do more than anything else though is to keep it's friends close and it's enemies even closer.
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Confirmed - RE to pull ORK-BHX!
Cork's Evening Echo is up with the news again. The edition for St Patrick's Day, 17th March, 2006 contains a scathing attack on the management of Cork Airport by the boss man of Aer Arann, Mr Padraig O'Ceidigh.
Mr O'Ceidigh claims that Aer Arann's trust in the Cork Airport management team has been badly affected following continuing non commuincation over events at the airport.
Regretably, news about the dropping of the double daily flights from Cork to Birmingham is now confirmed but the biggest disappointment with the the airport management at Cork came following Ryanair starting the Cork to Dublin route. When EI quit ORK-DUB local management at Cork made approaches to RE to take over the route.
Aer Arann did very well on ORK-DUB but they were disappointed not to have been contacted by anyone at the airport about Ryanair's plans and the first they heard of it was via a rumor! The following is a direct quote from Mr O'Ceidigh:
"The fact of the matter is that there is no communication between us and the (Cork) management. I have never met the chief executive, Pat Kehone - despite the fact that last year we paid 3 million Euros to the airport. The way I see it is that it's a closed door down there."
The article finishes with a hint that RE would be operating out of snn in the near future having had three meetings recently with the local managment about possible routes.
Mr O'Ceidigh claims that Aer Arann's trust in the Cork Airport management team has been badly affected following continuing non commuincation over events at the airport.
Regretably, news about the dropping of the double daily flights from Cork to Birmingham is now confirmed but the biggest disappointment with the the airport management at Cork came following Ryanair starting the Cork to Dublin route. When EI quit ORK-DUB local management at Cork made approaches to RE to take over the route.
Aer Arann did very well on ORK-DUB but they were disappointed not to have been contacted by anyone at the airport about Ryanair's plans and the first they heard of it was via a rumor! The following is a direct quote from Mr O'Ceidigh:
"The fact of the matter is that there is no communication between us and the (Cork) management. I have never met the chief executive, Pat Kehone - despite the fact that last year we paid 3 million Euros to the airport. The way I see it is that it's a closed door down there."
The article finishes with a hint that RE would be operating out of snn in the near future having had three meetings recently with the local managment about possible routes.
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Incredible that the CEO of an airline would openly criticise management of an airport in this manner. Communication must be very poor if megaphone diplomacy is emerging. The growth being experienced at the moment is based on foundations laid by the old regime. Watch the growth rate plummet later in the year.
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[quote=Tom the Tenor]
"Regretably, news about the dropping of the double daily flights from Cork to Birmingham is now confirmed but the biggest disappointment with the the airport management at Cork came following Ryanair starting the Cork to Dublin route. When EI quit ORK-DUB local management at Cork made approaches to RE to take over the route".
Provisional CAA Stats for February 2006 Birmingham - Cork 10153
Assuming 160 sectors (daily WW + daily RE + 6 a week RE) then the
average pax was 63.45. Based on WW using a 735 it is about a 71% load
factor.
It must be disappointing if you are getting load factors of 70% without making money but no different to other airlines in February no doubt.
Just to note CSA are pulling BHX - PRG next week and the BMI Baby
fares on the same route appear to have increased in April - inevitable
I suppose and I assume they will do the same on Cork until EI start.
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"Regretably, news about the dropping of the double daily flights from Cork to Birmingham is now confirmed but the biggest disappointment with the the airport management at Cork came following Ryanair starting the Cork to Dublin route. When EI quit ORK-DUB local management at Cork made approaches to RE to take over the route".
Provisional CAA Stats for February 2006 Birmingham - Cork 10153
Assuming 160 sectors (daily WW + daily RE + 6 a week RE) then the
average pax was 63.45. Based on WW using a 735 it is about a 71% load
factor.
It must be disappointing if you are getting load factors of 70% without making money but no different to other airlines in February no doubt.
Just to note CSA are pulling BHX - PRG next week and the BMI Baby
fares on the same route appear to have increased in April - inevitable
I suppose and I assume they will do the same on Cork until EI start.
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Sad announcement from Air Wales today that they are ceasing scheduled passenger flying from 25th April, 2006 to concentrate on flying freight and some charters. Eighty jobs are set to be lost. A hard blow to all our friends in Wales. Let us hope new jobs are found again very soon for all those people involved. Maybe Aer Arann are in a position to offer some of the folk from Wales a fresh start be it in Ireland or at home in Wales? Good for Cork that the Cardiff route will be taken up by Aer Arann. Flying to both Cardiff and Bristol ties things up well for Aer Arann and gives FR a good run for it's money on snn-BRS!
The Aer Lingus website indicates that Cork - Nice appears to be dropped for the winter schedule 2006/7. There is also no mention of Munich for the winter as there had been hopes of a re-introduction come next October. Everywhere else is there at the moment and it looks like Faro will run too through next winter unlike this current season.
It looks now more likely the 4th EI A320 will not be based in Cork for the coming winter schedule and in order to keep Faro, Berlin and Tenerife going for the full year some rejigging of schedules will be necessary.
Something that flew under the rumor radar a week or two or so ago was another one of those charters to Sal, Cape Verde Islands off the west coast of Africa. The outbound flight to Sal was flown by a Flyjet 757 that operated DUB - ORK - SID and the return by a Thomas Cook aircraft. Nice one for Cork. Must have been at least a six hour flight to destination? Cool.
The Aer Lingus website indicates that Cork - Nice appears to be dropped for the winter schedule 2006/7. There is also no mention of Munich for the winter as there had been hopes of a re-introduction come next October. Everywhere else is there at the moment and it looks like Faro will run too through next winter unlike this current season.
It looks now more likely the 4th EI A320 will not be based in Cork for the coming winter schedule and in order to keep Faro, Berlin and Tenerife going for the full year some rejigging of schedules will be necessary.
Something that flew under the rumor radar a week or two or so ago was another one of those charters to Sal, Cape Verde Islands off the west coast of Africa. The outbound flight to Sal was flown by a Flyjet 757 that operated DUB - ORK - SID and the return by a Thomas Cook aircraft. Nice one for Cork. Must have been at least a six hour flight to destination? Cool.
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Aerlingus pulling out the 4th Airbus after just 12 weeks! Easyjet and Ryanair cutting back ! Aer Arann openly criticising airport management, Is there anything positive happening in Cork?
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I assume there is some truth in the EI timetable because it differs a lot from the summer one, so there has obviously been an attempt to load a new timetable. However, there are some strange anomalies.
- They need 4 aircraft to operate the Thursday afternoon schedule as different aircraft are operating routes to Heathrow, Barcelona, Rome and Tenerife simultaneously. Would they position an aircraft from Dublin to operate the Tenerife flight?
- Although, it gives days that Warsaw will operate, it is not possible to book a flight there. Would they really drop one of their better performing routes and retain Faro, which has always struggled?
- There is a 30 minute turnaround between the Amsterdam flight arriving in the morning and the aircraft operating the Paris route. Then that aircraft is left idle for at least an hour and, depending on its next destination, up to two hours in the middle of the afternoon.
I suppose we'll see.
- They need 4 aircraft to operate the Thursday afternoon schedule as different aircraft are operating routes to Heathrow, Barcelona, Rome and Tenerife simultaneously. Would they position an aircraft from Dublin to operate the Tenerife flight?
- Although, it gives days that Warsaw will operate, it is not possible to book a flight there. Would they really drop one of their better performing routes and retain Faro, which has always struggled?
- There is a 30 minute turnaround between the Amsterdam flight arriving in the morning and the aircraft operating the Paris route. Then that aircraft is left idle for at least an hour and, depending on its next destination, up to two hours in the middle of the afternoon.
I suppose we'll see.
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Today being Friday, 24th March, 2006 today's Cork-Munich flight may be the last Cork will see to the Bavarian city for quite a while. A shame. The route has been performing quite respectably in an all round sort of way since January. 
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Cork-Munich has done terribly since it started. Ask any of the Aer Lingus boys. It was a total dog and they lost their shirt flying to MUC which is one of the world's most expensive airports.
ORK-FAO is also doing very badly and should have got the chop last autumn. Bookings are also very poor on Cork-Berlin.
BMIBaby will be out of Cork in early 2007 and Ryanair will have ORK management begging them to expand their base at ORK.
RE load factor on BHX is closer to 57%. Fares are lower than Irish domestic routes!
Cork-Munich has done terribly since it started. Ask any of the Aer Lingus boys. It was a total dog and they lost their shirt flying to MUC which is one of the world's most expensive airports.
ORK-FAO is also doing very badly and should have got the chop last autumn. Bookings are also very poor on Cork-Berlin.
BMIBaby will be out of Cork in early 2007 and Ryanair will have ORK management begging them to expand their base at ORK.
RE load factor on BHX is closer to 57%. Fares are lower than Irish domestic routes!
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Tom,
RE load factor on BHX is closer to 57%. Fares are lower than Irish domestic routes!
RE load factor on BHX is closer to 57%. Fares are lower than Irish domestic routes!
65-75% (depending on the month). This means BMIBaby load factors must be pretty good, whether they are making any money is another story but
it will be very disappointing if this service is pulled in 2007.
So far Baby have only pulled a weekly Murcia and seasonal Newquay from BHX, which is not a bad record for 15 months operation.
What is the local knowledge on the Aer Lingus Cork - BHX for winter 06/7 and onwards?
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