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It is quite amazing to see the fog roll in at ORK. It literally closes in before your eyes, sweeping down the runway and reducing visibility to almost nothing. And then it can roll out again, just as quick. I saw exactly that in January....within the space of 20 minutes, the fog had come and gone. The place should be used as a set for ghost movies (or horror movies given the number of diverted aircraft, rainy walks to distanct stands and upset politicians with no ID!)
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From the FR website:
So it looks as though Ryanair are intent on opening another competitive front on which to harry Cork Airport...
Cork Airport Authority recently announced a range of cost increases (38 in total) for various services at the airport including a 300% increase in the rental charge of check-in and ticket desks. These increases will push up Ryanair's costs at the airport by over EUR30,000 per annum. The increases, which are a direct result of the debt, which Cork Airport has inherited as a result of its new, Taj Mahal-like, 
terminal now makes Cork Airport massively uncompetitive against its peer airports throughout Europe and has made other destinations for Ryanair much more attractive. The Liverpool to Cork route will reduce from 7 flights per week to 4 per week.
On the good news front Ryanair also announced that it will be starting a new three times weekly service from Liverpool to Kerry as a much cheaper alternative to Cork.
Announcing the reduction in services in Cork today, Ryanair's Deputy Chief Executive, Michael Cawley, said
"Cork Airport is in danger of pricing itself out of the market with these outrageous price increases. Cork Airport has to realise that it is in competition with hundreds of other airports throughout Europe for passengers whose only concern is to get low fares. The Cork Airport Authority has spent EUR180M on a terminal for 3 million passengers. Both Frankfurt Hahn and Düsseldorf Weeze built the same capacity for EUR13M and EUR15M respectively. If, by forcing the airport to assume the debt burden arising from this expenditure, the Government insists that Cork Airport is to charge a premium for its services then it will lose out on the hundreds of thousands of passengers which Ryanair and other airlines have brought to the region. For the sake of a cost increase of EUR30,000 the region is going to lose 20,000 incoming tourists and business visitors, the income from which runs to approximately EUR8 million. This is an idiotic way to run an airport and is a direct result of the Government's transport policies of overspending and making its regional airports uncompetitive by building lavish and expensive facilities which passengers and visiting tourists are not prepared to pay for.
"Consequently, Ryanair is reducing its services on the Liverpool route to reflect the reduction in demand which we expect will ensue from this cost increase.
"The good news is that we are able to salvage the tourists with the help of Kerry Airport. We are delighted that we will now be moving these passengers to Kerry Airport who have offered us an extremely competitive cost base, much more reflective of what is available in Continental Europe and we are delighted that, while passengers may not be passing through Cork Airport, they will still be coming to the region, served through a much more efficient and low cost airport".
terminal now makes Cork Airport massively uncompetitive against its peer airports throughout Europe and has made other destinations for Ryanair much more attractive. The Liverpool to Cork route will reduce from 7 flights per week to 4 per week.On the good news front Ryanair also announced that it will be starting a new three times weekly service from Liverpool to Kerry as a much cheaper alternative to Cork.
Announcing the reduction in services in Cork today, Ryanair's Deputy Chief Executive, Michael Cawley, said
"Cork Airport is in danger of pricing itself out of the market with these outrageous price increases. Cork Airport has to realise that it is in competition with hundreds of other airports throughout Europe for passengers whose only concern is to get low fares. The Cork Airport Authority has spent EUR180M on a terminal for 3 million passengers. Both Frankfurt Hahn and Düsseldorf Weeze built the same capacity for EUR13M and EUR15M respectively. If, by forcing the airport to assume the debt burden arising from this expenditure, the Government insists that Cork Airport is to charge a premium for its services then it will lose out on the hundreds of thousands of passengers which Ryanair and other airlines have brought to the region. For the sake of a cost increase of EUR30,000 the region is going to lose 20,000 incoming tourists and business visitors, the income from which runs to approximately EUR8 million. This is an idiotic way to run an airport and is a direct result of the Government's transport policies of overspending and making its regional airports uncompetitive by building lavish and expensive facilities which passengers and visiting tourists are not prepared to pay for.
"Consequently, Ryanair is reducing its services on the Liverpool route to reflect the reduction in demand which we expect will ensue from this cost increase.
"The good news is that we are able to salvage the tourists with the help of Kerry Airport. We are delighted that we will now be moving these passengers to Kerry Airport who have offered us an extremely competitive cost base, much more reflective of what is available in Continental Europe and we are delighted that, while passengers may not be passing through Cork Airport, they will still be coming to the region, served through a much more efficient and low cost airport".
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well if the specil report on irish irports in todays irish times is any thing to go by the bods in dublin may not even be aware of the existance of cork !!! we had a whole page devoted today as a special report and wait for it not one mention of cork onlyin passing as a destenation served by airlines from the other irish airports mentioned in the articles.. not one mention of th biggest improvment in facilities at ork.. since it was opened in the first place... hell even belfast got a better plug than crk.... whats going on... the sooner we break away from the rep of dublin the better... ill start writing the proclamation.... !!!!COME ON CORK PEOPLEWWW.STUFF THE REST OF THEM....
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EJ...
PS... WE LIKE MOST PEOPLE FROM WATERFORD AND TIPP AND KERRY ALSO...!
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PS... WE LIKE MOST PEOPLE FROM WATERFORD AND TIPP AND KERRY ALSO...!
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Sure, emotions are high just now and there is bound to be some sounding off and that is okay. Got to stay rational too though - dont allow things to spin too much out of control. Many matters need consideration. Take some time to think and rationalise on yesterday's developments. Stay focused and keep the emotions under control. Reason it out and keep asking questions.
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indo today
RYANAIR last night threatened to pull out of Cork in a row over a new terminal at the airport, which the firm compared to the Taj Mahal.
The airline announced it will review all its routes from the city after halving flights on its Liverpool service in protest at rising charges.
The budget carrier - which had been on course to deliver 900,000 passengers for Cork this year - warned it could no longer accept soaring charges at the facility compared to the cut-price airport deals it is being offered in the UK, Continental EU and now even in North Africa.
Deputy chief executive Michael Cawley said the airline was halving operations on its daily Cork-Liverpool route, and transferring the business to Kerry Airport.
He warned Ryanair would "be forced to review all our other routes" if Cork Airport's charges continued to rise. The airline would even consider withdrawing all services from Cork for more profitable destinations. Ryanair is set to carry a record 42 million passengers this year, surpassing Lufthansa as Europe's biggest airline.
The firm claims it is paying an average of €6.15 per passenger in airport charges in the EU, but that it has to fork out €18.89 in Cork. "We simply cannot sustain any further increases in charges. In fact, the airport should be trying to cut its charges," he said.
"Our average fare is €41 - and Cork Airport expects us to pay them €18.89 and then pay for planes, fuel, air crew and pilots out of the €20 that is left? It's Alice in Wonderland stuff."
Ryanair stressed the proposed hikes in Cork - aimed at helping to pay the debt on the airport's new €160m terminal - would have cost the firm an additional €30,000 this year.
Cork will lose €310,000 in revenue due to Ryanair's Liverpool cutbacks.
He said Ryanair will "absolutely not consider" new routes from Cork until the airport enacts "common-sense charges which are substantially lower than those in place".
Cork Airport chief executive, Pat Keohane, expressed disappointment at the decision - and claimed it was sparked by what amounts to a one cent hike in charges per passenger.
"The proposed new charges at Cork Airport will not actually become effective until September 1. However, the financial impact of the increase is approximately one cent on each Ryanair passenger going through Cork Airport in 2006. Ryanair will obviously make the decisions most expedient for themselves but Cork Airport has a duty to operate on a sound economic basis."
RYANAIR last night threatened to pull out of Cork in a row over a new terminal at the airport, which the firm compared to the Taj Mahal.
The airline announced it will review all its routes from the city after halving flights on its Liverpool service in protest at rising charges.
The budget carrier - which had been on course to deliver 900,000 passengers for Cork this year - warned it could no longer accept soaring charges at the facility compared to the cut-price airport deals it is being offered in the UK, Continental EU and now even in North Africa.
Deputy chief executive Michael Cawley said the airline was halving operations on its daily Cork-Liverpool route, and transferring the business to Kerry Airport.
He warned Ryanair would "be forced to review all our other routes" if Cork Airport's charges continued to rise. The airline would even consider withdrawing all services from Cork for more profitable destinations. Ryanair is set to carry a record 42 million passengers this year, surpassing Lufthansa as Europe's biggest airline.
The firm claims it is paying an average of €6.15 per passenger in airport charges in the EU, but that it has to fork out €18.89 in Cork. "We simply cannot sustain any further increases in charges. In fact, the airport should be trying to cut its charges," he said.
"Our average fare is €41 - and Cork Airport expects us to pay them €18.89 and then pay for planes, fuel, air crew and pilots out of the €20 that is left? It's Alice in Wonderland stuff."
Ryanair stressed the proposed hikes in Cork - aimed at helping to pay the debt on the airport's new €160m terminal - would have cost the firm an additional €30,000 this year.
Cork will lose €310,000 in revenue due to Ryanair's Liverpool cutbacks.
He said Ryanair will "absolutely not consider" new routes from Cork until the airport enacts "common-sense charges which are substantially lower than those in place".
Cork Airport chief executive, Pat Keohane, expressed disappointment at the decision - and claimed it was sparked by what amounts to a one cent hike in charges per passenger.
"The proposed new charges at Cork Airport will not actually become effective until September 1. However, the financial impact of the increase is approximately one cent on each Ryanair passenger going through Cork Airport in 2006. Ryanair will obviously make the decisions most expedient for themselves but Cork Airport has a duty to operate on a sound economic basis."
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Look at the facts
Before the Government broke up Aer Rianta into three local entities there was a discussion, parts of which were held in Cork ,with members of the former board of Aer Rianta , on the share out of assets of Aer Rianta International Hooldings -Hotels, Duty Frees etc.
Options included consideration being given to splitting those "crown jewels" in various ways and the discussions were never formally or officially completed at least not transparently.
In the meantime ,the Dublin Airport Authority has simply grabbed the lot. While the DAA may look , sound and lately even act like the old Aer Rianta -it is not supposed to be a dusted down and repainted Aer Rianta -but an autonomous company -just like Shannon and Cork are supposed to be. Question -Does the DAA Think that it is still Aer Rianta ?
So who gave DAA the right to grab all the goodies? THey have no automatic right to these assets..... or was the whole adventure designed by former Minister Brennan just to shake off a certain Noel Hanlon and his cronies.
If Cork people stand for this they are fools, no one would dare try this one in Shannon, as they would be out of office in the next election. . Phone your TDs NOW and remind them of the next election. This is not just about increased airfares -it will relect on jobs, tourism and services in Cork.
As for Ryanair, a company which I greatly respect, and its comments that we should have put up some cheap facility at Cork, ,I think that in our present state of national economic wellbeing ,we can afford the "Luxury" of a modern comfortable Cork airport, in keeping with what the National coffers have already paid for and supported in Dublin and Shannon. After all Government did promise a level playing field.
Options included consideration being given to splitting those "crown jewels" in various ways and the discussions were never formally or officially completed at least not transparently.
In the meantime ,the Dublin Airport Authority has simply grabbed the lot. While the DAA may look , sound and lately even act like the old Aer Rianta -it is not supposed to be a dusted down and repainted Aer Rianta -but an autonomous company -just like Shannon and Cork are supposed to be. Question -Does the DAA Think that it is still Aer Rianta ?
So who gave DAA the right to grab all the goodies? THey have no automatic right to these assets..... or was the whole adventure designed by former Minister Brennan just to shake off a certain Noel Hanlon and his cronies.
If Cork people stand for this they are fools, no one would dare try this one in Shannon, as they would be out of office in the next election. . Phone your TDs NOW and remind them of the next election. This is not just about increased airfares -it will relect on jobs, tourism and services in Cork.
As for Ryanair, a company which I greatly respect, and its comments that we should have put up some cheap facility at Cork, ,I think that in our present state of national economic wellbeing ,we can afford the "Luxury" of a modern comfortable Cork airport, in keeping with what the National coffers have already paid for and supported in Dublin and Shannon. After all Government did promise a level playing field.
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At last. Westcorkman has hit the nail on the head.
If Aer Rianta had not been done away with, the current row would be between Cork and Aer Rianta and not a Cork versus Dublin thing - which is bound to be emotive.
Also, while I admire Ryanair, I am not folish enough to think that their interest in Cork or any other airport goes beyond how that airport can serve them.
If Aer Rianta had not been done away with, the current row would be between Cork and Aer Rianta and not a Cork versus Dublin thing - which is bound to be emotive.
Also, while I admire Ryanair, I am not folish enough to think that their interest in Cork or any other airport goes beyond how that airport can serve them.
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Heres my two cents worth...
The FR LPL service wasn't, in all probability, operating all that profitablilty and was more of a two finger salute to EZY for operating the LGW-ORK route. It it duly noted that the LGW/STN/DUB services were not touched. This provides ORK with a wonderful battering ram to tell DAA to get on its bike, and methinks that this is a conventiently timed master stroke on behalf of FR and the CAA.(Well I hope it is anyway).
Any news on new routes, its all been deathly quiet lately?
The FR LPL service wasn't, in all probability, operating all that profitablilty and was more of a two finger salute to EZY for operating the LGW-ORK route. It it duly noted that the LGW/STN/DUB services were not touched. This provides ORK with a wonderful battering ram to tell DAA to get on its bike, and methinks that this is a conventiently timed master stroke on behalf of FR and the CAA.(Well I hope it is anyway).
Any news on new routes, its all been deathly quiet lately?
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The tenor in me needs to reply to Westcorkman's post above by quoting partly from the libretto from Joseph Haydn's magnificent oratorio, The Creation:-
"And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: And there was LIGHT!"
"And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: And there was LIGHT!"
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Thanks Tenor
THanks for the nice comment Tenor -but what we need now in Cork is HEAT not light- Intense HEAT on those who represent us in Government and opposition and should never have allowed this to get where it is.
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ehhh up all,
was thinking about this mess last night and it would not surprize me that there will be some sort of favourable solution to all this in the end and ill wager that it will be in the form of bertie coming down for the grand opening and saving the day with some sort of announcement.. i can feel it in my waters... i just cant imagine any of them especially cullen daring to come to cork with the mess they have caused!!?? i wont be congratulating them when they cut the ribbon thats for sure.(probably erected in a porto cabin as there will not be any room for ribbon elsewhere! what a bunch of langers!!)... ladies and gentlemen those in the ff ranks are smart smart people and you can bet your bottom dollar that the spin doctors and hacks are saying "christ we ve got to get a solution here that will appease all parties. the election is looming. from what i can see there does not seem to be a huge ammount of will against the payment on the public side in dublin with the notion of them "paying " for the cork development so with any luck something good will come from all this... heres me with my fingers crossed...
as was noted above this is a matter that is way way beyond just the airport it has a bearing on the whole of the county... say what you like about fr but already weve lost a bunch of punters to cork with them pulling back on the liverpool route...... which equals a loss of money to some one in the county... b&b... restaurants... etc... it may take a while to notice but it certainly has a bearing thats for sure....
was thinking about this mess last night and it would not surprize me that there will be some sort of favourable solution to all this in the end and ill wager that it will be in the form of bertie coming down for the grand opening and saving the day with some sort of announcement.. i can feel it in my waters... i just cant imagine any of them especially cullen daring to come to cork with the mess they have caused!!?? i wont be congratulating them when they cut the ribbon thats for sure.(probably erected in a porto cabin as there will not be any room for ribbon elsewhere! what a bunch of langers!!)... ladies and gentlemen those in the ff ranks are smart smart people and you can bet your bottom dollar that the spin doctors and hacks are saying "christ we ve got to get a solution here that will appease all parties. the election is looming. from what i can see there does not seem to be a huge ammount of will against the payment on the public side in dublin with the notion of them "paying " for the cork development so with any luck something good will come from all this... heres me with my fingers crossed...
as was noted above this is a matter that is way way beyond just the airport it has a bearing on the whole of the county... say what you like about fr but already weve lost a bunch of punters to cork with them pulling back on the liverpool route...... which equals a loss of money to some one in the county... b&b... restaurants... etc... it may take a while to notice but it certainly has a bearing thats for sure....
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Maybe Cork people will wake up and realise the importance of the airport to the region. At least 3 and possibly 5 of the FF seats in the county are marginal so this has to be sorted out quickly. Management need to realise that Cork isn't in the same category as LHR CDG and others. These airports can list their charges and tell airlines to take it or leave it.
It must offer attractive terms to low cost carriers if it is to grow the traffic. It's obvious that full service airlines such as Air France, Lufthansa , Iberia and SAS have no interest in operating to Cork so it's low cost or nothing.
So start serious negotiations with Ryanair and reopen the lines of communication with Easyjet and look to more imaginative ways of generating revenue and traffic will soar by the Banks of the Lee.
It must offer attractive terms to low cost carriers if it is to grow the traffic. It's obvious that full service airlines such as Air France, Lufthansa , Iberia and SAS have no interest in operating to Cork so it's low cost or nothing.
So start serious negotiations with Ryanair and reopen the lines of communication with Easyjet and look to more imaginative ways of generating revenue and traffic will soar by the Banks of the Lee.
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I guess that G*BSH*TE's (MO'L) last comment in the article says it all as to how he views Cork.
‘‘Cork is Mickey Mouse stuff,” said the Ryanair chief executive. ‘‘We are an airline that carries 42 million passengers a year. Do we care about Cork? Frankly no. Bristol is bigger than Cork, nearly everything is bigger than Cork.”
If he feels that way, why didnt he just pull his whole operation from here. Could it be that he is actually making money out of Cork - i think so (Primarily on Dublin and London routes - which were not touched and have competition). Comment is strange, tho not suprising from this guy.
‘‘Cork is Mickey Mouse stuff,” said the Ryanair chief executive. ‘‘We are an airline that carries 42 million passengers a year. Do we care about Cork? Frankly no. Bristol is bigger than Cork, nearly everything is bigger than Cork.”
If he feels that way, why didnt he just pull his whole operation from here. Could it be that he is actually making money out of Cork - i think so (Primarily on Dublin and London routes - which were not touched and have competition). Comment is strange, tho not suprising from this guy.