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ORK-BHX is showing up 4x weekly on Aer Lingus in the Winter. However, it has a similar problem to the Tenerife one mentioned earlier in that they apparently have aircraft on trips to London, Birmingham, Paris and Malaga at the same time. If they are dropping to 3 aircraft, that schedule isn't maintainable. I suspect we'll see some schedule alterations (either more services dropped or new destinations in Eastern Europe to keep a 4th aircraft) before October.
As for ORK-MUC. I believe loads have been higher in recent months, but a lot of that will be related to DIY skiers. That can only keep the route busier from January to March, but things would return to normal as the year progressed. It's a bit too early to tell for ORK-SXF. The route doesn't kick off for 3 months and few bookings - especially the higher yield ones - will have been made yet.
I do sometimes wonder if the 174 seat A320 is the right aircraft to operate German routes (actually, I wonder if it's the right aircraft for all but London, Paris, Amsterdam and Malaga). Something in the 90-120 seat range might be more appropriate.
As for ORK-MUC. I believe loads have been higher in recent months, but a lot of that will be related to DIY skiers. That can only keep the route busier from January to March, but things would return to normal as the year progressed. It's a bit too early to tell for ORK-SXF. The route doesn't kick off for 3 months and few bookings - especially the higher yield ones - will have been made yet.
I do sometimes wonder if the 174 seat A320 is the right aircraft to operate German routes (actually, I wonder if it's the right aircraft for all but London, Paris, Amsterdam and Malaga). Something in the 90-120 seat range might be more appropriate.
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Guess, what Cork needs is something like a 737-500!? Yes, a very much missed size of aeroplane at Cork. Musing about it is certainly interesting and apart from the above mentioned stronger routes the remaining destinations may be served more economically by a combination of A319/73G and ERJ-190 type frames? However, to attract new pax to the newer low frequency destinations airlines still need to offer some very low fares too so then you at the very least need A319/320 or 737-700. It is very hard to see any new routes from Cork to mainland Europe being tried out initially with the likes of FR 189 seaters. Just too hard to fill full stop no matter how poor the yield?
Normally, it would not be in my nature to concede to Neidin's gloom above but today, Saturday, 25th March, 2006 is not a good day for Cork Airport. Today saw the final flight of the early Saturday morning Ryanair Stansted FR901/2, the final flight by Aer Arann to Birmingham and the final Saturday morning Gatwick easyJet EZY783/4. I was witness to this morning's turn of events and you may take it from me that both the Stansted and Gatwick loads were very good on their final Saturday morning. Such a shame to see them both go.
If one was to pose a question to Cork Airport on the matter no doubt their reply would be true to form and would be something like "No comment."
The Irish Examiner has more revelations today on the subject of Cork Airport. It has now been admitted that it was the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) whom appointed the consultantcy firm, BDO Simpson Xavier, to negotiate between the DAA and the Cork Airport Authority on the funding of the new Cork terminal and not the Minister for Transport. It has also been revealed that the consultantcy firm were invited by a sub committe of Cork Airport to engage with them in talks but BDO Simpson Xavier have said they have no intention of doing so. It looks to me like that BDO Simpson Xavier have been hired by the DAA and so are they marching to beat of a DAA drum?
On the plus side there have been reports that both bmi baby and Aer Arann have both been shooting some CAT2 approaches at Cork in recent times so there is a wee chink of light, no matter how tiny!
Now for a funny: the cabin crew chief on this evening's EZY787 made a PA on arrival at Cork welcoming passengers to "The Tropical Paradise that is Cork!" It was pea soup all the way in on the approach, the south westerly winds were howling and the rain was just clearing as the aircraft parked on Stand 7 on the near empty ramp. I have a minor disability with one of my feet which became very aggravated today and the walk to the terminal was as much as I could do. No joke, boy, no joke at all.
Normally, it would not be in my nature to concede to Neidin's gloom above but today, Saturday, 25th March, 2006 is not a good day for Cork Airport. Today saw the final flight of the early Saturday morning Ryanair Stansted FR901/2, the final flight by Aer Arann to Birmingham and the final Saturday morning Gatwick easyJet EZY783/4. I was witness to this morning's turn of events and you may take it from me that both the Stansted and Gatwick loads were very good on their final Saturday morning. Such a shame to see them both go.
If one was to pose a question to Cork Airport on the matter no doubt their reply would be true to form and would be something like "No comment."
The Irish Examiner has more revelations today on the subject of Cork Airport. It has now been admitted that it was the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) whom appointed the consultantcy firm, BDO Simpson Xavier, to negotiate between the DAA and the Cork Airport Authority on the funding of the new Cork terminal and not the Minister for Transport. It has also been revealed that the consultantcy firm were invited by a sub committe of Cork Airport to engage with them in talks but BDO Simpson Xavier have said they have no intention of doing so. It looks to me like that BDO Simpson Xavier have been hired by the DAA and so are they marching to beat of a DAA drum?
On the plus side there have been reports that both bmi baby and Aer Arann have both been shooting some CAT2 approaches at Cork in recent times so there is a wee chink of light, no matter how tiny!
Now for a funny: the cabin crew chief on this evening's EZY787 made a PA on arrival at Cork welcoming passengers to "The Tropical Paradise that is Cork!" It was pea soup all the way in on the approach, the south westerly winds were howling and the rain was just clearing as the aircraft parked on Stand 7 on the near empty ramp. I have a minor disability with one of my feet which became very aggravated today and the walk to the terminal was as much as I could do. No joke, boy, no joke at all.
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seems to me that some of these routes that ttt is talking about above which are too thin for the likes of aerlingus to fill would be ideally suited to a "capacity purchace agreement" CPA being offered by expressjet europe. no one doubts that there is money to be made by a strong irish brand like aer lingus on the bhx/ork route. the problem being that they are going for a common fleet now and there is no chance they will have an odd 737-500 on their books to preform these type of routes.
its a win win situation for some one like aerlingus with this CPA set up in that they can give a 2 or 3 type daily rotation that this route needs (just using this as an example there are many more) unlike a situation where a big airbus would be wasted. other examples would be ex cork for instance another paris run, manchester,etc...
its not been a good week at cork thats for sure.. still no word on the terminal debth issue??? all gone quiet still no reply from cullen to my mail??? FF can shove their vote where the sun dont shine come general election day!
its a win win situation for some one like aerlingus with this CPA set up in that they can give a 2 or 3 type daily rotation that this route needs (just using this as an example there are many more) unlike a situation where a big airbus would be wasted. other examples would be ex cork for instance another paris run, manchester,etc...
its not been a good week at cork thats for sure.. still no word on the terminal debth issue??? all gone quiet still no reply from cullen to my mail??? FF can shove their vote where the sun dont shine come general election day!
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Credit where credit is due for once in the ongoing situation with the Cork Airport terminal debt issues. Yesterday's Cork Evening Echo reported that the chairman of the Cork Airport Authority, Mr Joe Gantley, is at last speaking out on the terminal debt matters. Mr Gantley has been expressing his regret at the BDO Simpson Xavier consultants apparently not wanting to engage with the Cork Airport sub committe.
It is a start from the CAA and sure beats the "No comment" remark that has been spun out by PR people up to now.
Today, Sunday, has seen torrential rain at Cork Airport for much of the day. As you may be able to imagine Cork Airport passengers have been on the receiving end of yet more horrendous drenchings in their enforced mad dashes to and from aircraft.
The rain and wind has been so bad that even passengers disembarking off a Futura 737-800 parked in Stand 5 which is the closest parking spot to the arrivals hall have been also forced to run as if for their lives. However, the most affected recepients today have been the County Fermanagh Gaelic footal team whom have travelled to Cork today for a game. The flew down an Air Atlantique ATR-42 which had to park at Stand 11! Imagine the soaking the Fermanagh team and officials have got today! What a welcome to Cork Airport!
I am sure a case on health and safety grounds could be put and it is high time indeed that covered walkways are provided for Cork Airport passengers debt or no debt.
Interestingly, it has been necessary today for Aer Lingus to hire in the Titan Boeing 757 to do the EI888/9 for Cork - Malaga. Not exactly sure why but the Titan aircraft involved G-ZAPU was noted at Gatwick yesterday operating an Astraues Airways flight to Lyon.
It is a start from the CAA and sure beats the "No comment" remark that has been spun out by PR people up to now.
Today, Sunday, has seen torrential rain at Cork Airport for much of the day. As you may be able to imagine Cork Airport passengers have been on the receiving end of yet more horrendous drenchings in their enforced mad dashes to and from aircraft.
The rain and wind has been so bad that even passengers disembarking off a Futura 737-800 parked in Stand 5 which is the closest parking spot to the arrivals hall have been also forced to run as if for their lives. However, the most affected recepients today have been the County Fermanagh Gaelic footal team whom have travelled to Cork today for a game. The flew down an Air Atlantique ATR-42 which had to park at Stand 11! Imagine the soaking the Fermanagh team and officials have got today! What a welcome to Cork Airport!
I am sure a case on health and safety grounds could be put and it is high time indeed that covered walkways are provided for Cork Airport passengers debt or no debt.
Interestingly, it has been necessary today for Aer Lingus to hire in the Titan Boeing 757 to do the EI888/9 for Cork - Malaga. Not exactly sure why but the Titan aircraft involved G-ZAPU was noted at Gatwick yesterday operating an Astraues Airways flight to Lyon.
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Passengers complaining about getting wet are being fobbed off by helpless ground staff who point to the new terminal as the saviour of passengers woes.
Imagine the surprise later in the year when passengers disembarking in 9 of the fifteen parking stands will still be walking in the rain.
Are the CAA still serious about opening on 10th May? Time will tell. Could be an interesting week at Cork as the story about the independent consultants begins to unravel.
Imagine the surprise later in the year when passengers disembarking in 9 of the fifteen parking stands will still be walking in the rain.
Are the CAA still serious about opening on 10th May? Time will tell. Could be an interesting week at Cork as the story about the independent consultants begins to unravel.
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The CAA Board saying nothing?
Any analysis of the Cork Airport Board explains why they are saying nothing .... they are hardly to take a hard line with their buddies in Government who put them all there. A case of jobs for the boys again
If Cork ends up with the Debt, I suggest that the Cork AA should resign and make room for some people with at least some relevant avaition experience, and not PLANTS based on their political support.
As for the soakings the DAA is blocking the covered walkways and be sure that Shannon interests are also at work behind the scenes to make sure we get the debt saddled on Cork .... They met MIn.Cullen in new York Last week to protect Shannon from Open Skies.
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If Cork ends up with the Debt, I suggest that the Cork AA should resign and make room for some people with at least some relevant avaition experience, and not PLANTS based on their political support.
As for the soakings the DAA is blocking the covered walkways and be sure that Shannon interests are also at work behind the scenes to make sure we get the debt saddled on Cork .... They met MIn.Cullen in new York Last week to protect Shannon from Open Skies.
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On the subject of the lack of covered walkways/buses at one of Europe's wettest airports.
I arrived on the Amsterdam flight on Friday night and we parked on stand 9. So, not the worst stand, but a reasonable walk from the terminal. At the time, there was light drizzle, so at least it wasn't the torrential rain of Sunday. However, on our way to the terminal, we were halted because an Easyjet aircraft was manoeuvring off either stand 6 or 7 (don't quite remember). Now, I know they couldn't have let us pass, but considering the rain, it would have been better to hold us on the aircraft until we could go. It would only have been a couple of minutes and it was the aircraft's last rotation of the day, so it wasn't as though they needed a quick turnaround.
Of course, given a bus, it wouldn't be a problem...
I arrived on the Amsterdam flight on Friday night and we parked on stand 9. So, not the worst stand, but a reasonable walk from the terminal. At the time, there was light drizzle, so at least it wasn't the torrential rain of Sunday. However, on our way to the terminal, we were halted because an Easyjet aircraft was manoeuvring off either stand 6 or 7 (don't quite remember). Now, I know they couldn't have let us pass, but considering the rain, it would have been better to hold us on the aircraft until we could go. It would only have been a couple of minutes and it was the aircraft's last rotation of the day, so it wasn't as though they needed a quick turnaround.
Of course, given a bus, it wouldn't be a problem...
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An update to drenchings at Cork Airport. A work colleague had her teenage niece down with her in Cork from Dublin last weekend. The young lady returned home on Sunday afternoon with Ryanair amidst the torrent at Cork. Aircraft was said to be parked in Togher in relation to the terminal so our young friend was in receipt of a substantial drenching so much so that later on arrival at Dublin Airport the teenager had to change all her clothes in the rest room. A young lady whose mother has been seriously ill in a Dublin hospital for the last 5 weeks following a fall comes to Cork to be with her aunt as a treat and this is how she is despatched home again to Dublin from Cork Airport. No excuses, no blame game, it is just a disgrace. Time for covered walkways to be commissioned asap at Cork Airport.
It is certainly to be welcomed and some cynics may be getting a whiff of a three card trick from the CAA, DAA and government but the Cork Evening Echo today is reporting that board members of the Cork Airport Authority were said to be outraged by the consultants, BDO Simpson Xaiver, to cut them out of negotiation talks with the DAA about whom should pay for Cork's new terminal and are expected to call on the minister for new consultants to take over the matter.
A CAA source said: "The board were outraged yesterday and there was complete disbelief among members. We will be asking the Minister for new consultants to take over because it is clear that BDO cannot carry on in this role." Following a meeting yesterday Mr Joe Gantley, chairman of the CAA said they had met "To discuss and review the collapse of the engagement process with the DAA." My, my is it really getting interesting or is it Tony Blair or Bertie Aherne type spin? Discuss.
Cork had an unexpected visit from an Iberia Airbus A321 at midnight last night en route Madrid to Heathrow. Have no other details to hand but it may well have been Cork Airport's first time to have had aircraft from four national carrier airlines on the ground together, Aer Lingus, Czeck Airlines, Malev and Iberia?
It is certainly to be welcomed and some cynics may be getting a whiff of a three card trick from the CAA, DAA and government but the Cork Evening Echo today is reporting that board members of the Cork Airport Authority were said to be outraged by the consultants, BDO Simpson Xaiver, to cut them out of negotiation talks with the DAA about whom should pay for Cork's new terminal and are expected to call on the minister for new consultants to take over the matter.
A CAA source said: "The board were outraged yesterday and there was complete disbelief among members. We will be asking the Minister for new consultants to take over because it is clear that BDO cannot carry on in this role." Following a meeting yesterday Mr Joe Gantley, chairman of the CAA said they had met "To discuss and review the collapse of the engagement process with the DAA." My, my is it really getting interesting or is it Tony Blair or Bertie Aherne type spin? Discuss.
Cork had an unexpected visit from an Iberia Airbus A321 at midnight last night en route Madrid to Heathrow. Have no other details to hand but it may well have been Cork Airport's first time to have had aircraft from four national carrier airlines on the ground together, Aer Lingus, Czeck Airlines, Malev and Iberia?
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I was in a group that got a tour of the new terminal last night and I have to say that we were all well impressed. Its a fantastic building and a very high quality fit out. Its a credit to the design and build team to have delivered on this.
The operational target date is May 10, there is a bit of work to do, but most of it looks like its retail fit out and snagging.
The operational target date is May 10, there is a bit of work to do, but most of it looks like its retail fit out and snagging.
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Originally Posted by MarkD
any word on the check in area? early reports were that there was little room for queues.
An alcove is setup and ready for the customer self service checkin machines.
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Well, yes, top marks to the design team and builders as it does certainly appear that the new terminal at Cork looks very smartly finished. There is a high price and the terminal is yet to be paid for so let us hope the outcome of the current debate on costs will be what is hoped for because the way things are going Cork Airport is going to need pots of luck to get ahead in the next few years.
This year Cork Airport's business will be slowly bled away in the months ahead compared to last summer with flight cutbacks to Liverpool, Stansted, Birmingham, Manchester and at the same time Shannon struts ahead with today's announcements from Ryanair of yet more new routes to France, Portugal, Italy and Poland.
This is stiff competition for Cork Airport and the top executives up there on the hill badly need a wake up call on this matter. Get out there and start talking to your airline customers fast and be sweet about it too before they all disappear and the place is left with little or nothing.
It is time for the Cork Airport Authority to 5h!t or get off the pot! It is certainly not yet the time for Cork Airport to rest on it's laurel of a new terminal.
This year Cork Airport's business will be slowly bled away in the months ahead compared to last summer with flight cutbacks to Liverpool, Stansted, Birmingham, Manchester and at the same time Shannon struts ahead with today's announcements from Ryanair of yet more new routes to France, Portugal, Italy and Poland.
This is stiff competition for Cork Airport and the top executives up there on the hill badly need a wake up call on this matter. Get out there and start talking to your airline customers fast and be sweet about it too before they all disappear and the place is left with little or nothing.
It is time for the Cork Airport Authority to 5h!t or get off the pot! It is certainly not yet the time for Cork Airport to rest on it's laurel of a new terminal.
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I too have been given that tour, i agree the building does look impressive but its way too small. Take for example the first so called ticket desk it would be difficult to put a ticket printer in there never the staff who are required to operate that printer, thats why their moving the counters out and therefore reducing the space in front of check in. The food court upstairs is too small nevermind departures and the lack of space for boarding i could go on .... SAD
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I too have been given that tour, i agree the building does look impressive but its way too small. Take for example the first so called ticket desk it would be difficult to put a ticket printer in there never the staff who are required to operate that printer, thats why their moving the counters out and therefore reducing the space in front of check in. The food court upstairs is too small nevermind departures and the lack of space for boarding i could go on .... SAD
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It is time for the Cork Airport Authority to 5h!t or get off the pot! It is certainly not yet the time for Cork Airport to rest on it's laurel of a new terminal.
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As you said great looking building and all the extras but at the end of the day its an airport, limited floor space , borading gates which you cant use until the arrival door has been closed (plse note ezy and fr cannot use their current boarding procedures ie. keeping outbound pax in the stairwell) car hire desks which are smaller than the current building sadly the list goes on .....
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MOL's comments from story in the Irish Indo today. Given that FR are very unlikely to get a deal similar to the one they got at SNN, it seems any future expansion from ORK is unlikely. They will play one off the other in any case, but SNN would appear to have the upper hand in this particular bun fight.
Cork eclipsed as Ryanair add five Shannon routes
SHANNON has been given the nod ahead of Cork as the country's premier tourism hub beyond Dublin, with Ryanair announcing five new routes from the Limerick-based airport.
According to the airline's chief executive, Michael O'Leary, Shannon was more strategically placed to service the western and southern region.
Speaking in Limerick yesterday, Mr Leary said Dublin and Shannon would not be competing for the same market.
The five new routes, to begin on October 12, are: to Biarritz and Carcassonne in the south of France; to Faro in Portugal; to Krakow in Poland; and to Venice.
Mr O'Leary said that while Ryanair's first winter at Shannon was loss making, the first 12 months would not be.
And he said the company was well on course to reach its two million-passenger target for the airport by year five.
"We don't look at any base or route in a winter context. Overall, the 12-month period at Shannon will be profitable," he said.
"Traffic numbers are ahead of expectations. Yields are behind expectations but that's far better than having the traffic behind expectations."
Mr O'Leary rubbished suggestions that the airline was not committed to Shannon and would withdraw its services once Dublin Airport became less congested.
"Dublin and Shannon are different markets. Shannon offers access into the western seaboard and the southwest, whereas Dublin is for city access and the eastern seaboard." But he added there was "an issue whether Shannon and Cork can both grow rapidly without cannibalising the same market".
Cork eclipsed as Ryanair add five Shannon routes
SHANNON has been given the nod ahead of Cork as the country's premier tourism hub beyond Dublin, with Ryanair announcing five new routes from the Limerick-based airport.
According to the airline's chief executive, Michael O'Leary, Shannon was more strategically placed to service the western and southern region.
Speaking in Limerick yesterday, Mr Leary said Dublin and Shannon would not be competing for the same market.
The five new routes, to begin on October 12, are: to Biarritz and Carcassonne in the south of France; to Faro in Portugal; to Krakow in Poland; and to Venice.
Mr O'Leary said that while Ryanair's first winter at Shannon was loss making, the first 12 months would not be.
And he said the company was well on course to reach its two million-passenger target for the airport by year five.
"We don't look at any base or route in a winter context. Overall, the 12-month period at Shannon will be profitable," he said.
"Traffic numbers are ahead of expectations. Yields are behind expectations but that's far better than having the traffic behind expectations."
Mr O'Leary rubbished suggestions that the airline was not committed to Shannon and would withdraw its services once Dublin Airport became less congested.
"Dublin and Shannon are different markets. Shannon offers access into the western seaboard and the southwest, whereas Dublin is for city access and the eastern seaboard." But he added there was "an issue whether Shannon and Cork can both grow rapidly without cannibalising the same market".
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Originally Posted by tashkurgan
We were told that the terminal was designed for >5M passengers.
1. Develop facilities to cater for 3 million passengers per annum.
2. Allow for potential growth of up to 5 million passengers per annum over next 25 years.
My understanding is the terminal as built meets objective one. It is designed to allow a pier to be tacked on the north end that will increase capacity to meet objective 2.
Continued publicity in the printed press today about the debt, but I fear it's too little, too late. I reckon the decision has been made, and there's **** all we can do about it now. We've been stitched up big time here....
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Didn't realise that FR have a new base in Derry !!!!!!!
News reports yesterday of FR landing in the wrong airport in Derry, they landed in a military base !!!!!!!
News reports yesterday of FR landing in the wrong airport in Derry, they landed in a military base !!!!!!!
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Is it me, or was ORK better run, and more successful under the previous Management, rather than the recent team who are shafting Aer Lingus, Aer Arann, bmiBaby and EasyJet by the short term blip of attracting Ryanair.
Over the last few years I've been amazed at the growth of new carriers at ORK... is anyone talking to the airlines anymore?
Over the last few years I've been amazed at the growth of new carriers at ORK... is anyone talking to the airlines anymore?