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i dont think its a bad idea, suppose the old terminal could do with a good dust up,but after spending so much money, would they not feel a bit guilty not maximising the use of the new terminal,what about staff,for example aer lingus offices,engineering etc are around the side,will they be accessing via the new terminal or the current way??? long walk if its the new terminal!!
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If memory serves me right there was once an air atlanta b747 which did receive a push back. EI were handling the flt (which i think was lde bound) the aircraft arrived with the tow bar in one of its holds which had to be re-loaded once aircraft had been pushed.
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Apologies if this has been posted before, but talk of a Monarch A300 and A330 for the Heineken Cup final on 20th.
Apparently can't fit 747's in the widebodied stand anymore with EMC's new hangar. They'd fit ok, only taxiway would be blocked...
Apparently can't fit 747's in the widebodied stand anymore with EMC's new hangar. They'd fit ok, only taxiway would be blocked...
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Its the temporary fence around the EMC hangar that's causing the problem. When that's gone a 747 in stand 13/14 shouldn't be a problem.
In 2001 an Aer Atlanta 747 parked on Runway 25 and everyone seems to have forgotten that 747's of Aerlingus and Air Atlanta parked at Cork from 1989 to 2001 before the wide body stand was ever heard of.
Latest word is that a Flyjet 767 is due to operate from ORK to CWL for the match, Flybe and Aer Arann will also be appearing.
In 2001 an Aer Atlanta 747 parked on Runway 25 and everyone seems to have forgotten that 747's of Aerlingus and Air Atlanta parked at Cork from 1989 to 2001 before the wide body stand was ever heard of.
Latest word is that a Flyjet 767 is due to operate from ORK to CWL for the match, Flybe and Aer Arann will also be appearing.
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More on the ongoing terminal debt issue in today's Irish Examiner
27/04/06
Cullen draws fire over airport debt issue
By Paul O’Brien
TRANSPORT Minister Martin Cullen faced a barrage of criticism in the Seanad last night after insisting the Government’s position on the break-up of Aer Rianta had never changed.
Labour Senator Brendan Ryan accused the minister of making a "hot air speech" and ignoring commitments made by his predecessor, Seamus Brennan.
Under the proposed separation, Dublin, Cork and Shannon will become independent of each other, but remain under State ownership. Presently, Dublin controls its sister airports.
In July 2003, when announcing the separation plan, Mr Brennan promised: "When I establish the independent Shannon and Cork authorities on a statutory basis, they will both commence business free of debt.
"The existing debts associated with both airports, including the debt associated with the major new investment programme at Cork, will not be assigned to the new companies but will remain with Dublin Airport."
The investment programme referred to was the new terminal for Cork, the final cost of which will reach more than €160m.
But yesterday, Mr Cullen said it was always Government policy Cork would have to account for some of its debts.
He quoted from a speech his predecessor made in June 2004 in which Mr Brennan said: "A portion of the Cork Airport assets will remain in Aer Rianta and will be subject to a finance lease between Aer Rianta and the Cork Airport Authority (CAA)."
Mr Cullen said it was clear from that speech Government policy had always been that Cork would have to pay something.
"To suggest that I have suddenly decided to do something utterly different to my predecessor is untrue. To suggest that the Government policy in this area has changed is utterly untrue. All of this was set out with great clarity," he remarked.
He also said one of his first appointments as Transport Minister was with the board of the Cork Airport Authority, and he had made this position "crystal clear" to them.
However, PD senator John Minihan warned Cork's future would be threatened by the Government's failure to honour Mr Brennan's promise.
"If saddled with a significant portion of debt, [Cork] will have to increase charges to service the debt, airlines will not open new routes and existing routes will be threatened."
He believed that the Dublin Airport Authority and Mr Cullen's own department were "obsessed with Dublin Airport and its future at the expense of Cork and Shannon."
But Mr Cullen made clear that, while Cork would be facing repayments of some kind, they would not be excessive.
27/04/06
Cullen draws fire over airport debt issue
By Paul O’Brien
TRANSPORT Minister Martin Cullen faced a barrage of criticism in the Seanad last night after insisting the Government’s position on the break-up of Aer Rianta had never changed.
Labour Senator Brendan Ryan accused the minister of making a "hot air speech" and ignoring commitments made by his predecessor, Seamus Brennan.
Under the proposed separation, Dublin, Cork and Shannon will become independent of each other, but remain under State ownership. Presently, Dublin controls its sister airports.
In July 2003, when announcing the separation plan, Mr Brennan promised: "When I establish the independent Shannon and Cork authorities on a statutory basis, they will both commence business free of debt.
"The existing debts associated with both airports, including the debt associated with the major new investment programme at Cork, will not be assigned to the new companies but will remain with Dublin Airport."
The investment programme referred to was the new terminal for Cork, the final cost of which will reach more than €160m.
But yesterday, Mr Cullen said it was always Government policy Cork would have to account for some of its debts.
He quoted from a speech his predecessor made in June 2004 in which Mr Brennan said: "A portion of the Cork Airport assets will remain in Aer Rianta and will be subject to a finance lease between Aer Rianta and the Cork Airport Authority (CAA)."
Mr Cullen said it was clear from that speech Government policy had always been that Cork would have to pay something.
"To suggest that I have suddenly decided to do something utterly different to my predecessor is untrue. To suggest that the Government policy in this area has changed is utterly untrue. All of this was set out with great clarity," he remarked.
He also said one of his first appointments as Transport Minister was with the board of the Cork Airport Authority, and he had made this position "crystal clear" to them.
However, PD senator John Minihan warned Cork's future would be threatened by the Government's failure to honour Mr Brennan's promise.
"If saddled with a significant portion of debt, [Cork] will have to increase charges to service the debt, airlines will not open new routes and existing routes will be threatened."
He believed that the Dublin Airport Authority and Mr Cullen's own department were "obsessed with Dublin Airport and its future at the expense of Cork and Shannon."
But Mr Cullen made clear that, while Cork would be facing repayments of some kind, they would not be excessive.
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How about this - there is much speculation that a runway extension is to be announced for Waterford Airport in the next day or two which is expected to be funded by the European Union.
Wonder whom will have the pleasure of making that great announcement?
All a part of the same farce?
By the way, Cork Airport had her first airliner trainer visit from snn yesterday for a long, long time. A Lufthansa Airbus A321 made one touch & go to runway 35 follow by a second approach go around before returning to the airport in the midwest. Nice.
Wonder whom will have the pleasure of making that great announcement?
All a part of the same farce?
By the way, Cork Airport had her first airliner trainer visit from snn yesterday for a long, long time. A Lufthansa Airbus A321 made one touch & go to runway 35 follow by a second approach go around before returning to the airport in the midwest. Nice.
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Originally Posted by Tom the Tenor
By the way, Cork Airport had her first airliner trainer visit from snn yesterday for a long, long time. A Lufthansa Airbus A321 made one touch & go to runway 35 follow by a second approach go around before returning to the airport in the midwest. Nice.
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It has just been reported on RTE Radio's Morning Ireland news show that Cork Airport's new terminal will not now open for business on 10th May, 2006.
Not many other details yet on the report. Sometime in June is now mentioned for the opening in time for the peak summer period which will also coincide with Ryanair's dropping of the late evening FR907/8 Stansted for the busiest time of the year.
Pure genius.
Not many other details yet on the report. Sometime in June is now mentioned for the opening in time for the peak summer period which will also coincide with Ryanair's dropping of the late evening FR907/8 Stansted for the busiest time of the year.
Pure genius.
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Today's Irish Times reports:
Statement of Cork Airport Authority last night: "due to delays in the construction programme, access to the terminal for testing and training would not be possible until May 8th." Hence opening of terminal for operational purposes not before early June. "As the terminal completion dates become more definitive, an operational date will be advised."
"Informed sources have told The Irish Times that the authority is pushing to have the building opened before the end of June, as trying to train and transfer staff in July and August would be extremely difficult."
Statement of Cork Airport Authority last night: "due to delays in the construction programme, access to the terminal for testing and training would not be possible until May 8th." Hence opening of terminal for operational purposes not before early June. "As the terminal completion dates become more definitive, an operational date will be advised."
"Informed sources have told The Irish Times that the authority is pushing to have the building opened before the end of June, as trying to train and transfer staff in July and August would be extremely difficult."
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Cork-Cardiff Charters for Munster game
In addition to the Monarch A300 & A330, alongwith a B767, there now has been a CorseAir B747 chartered to operate out of Cork on 20th. The Morning of the 20th is certainly going to be very interesting with these range of widebodies.....
In addition to the Monarch A300 & A330, alongwith a B767, there now has been a CorseAir B747 chartered to operate out of Cork on 20th. The Morning of the 20th is certainly going to be very interesting with these range of widebodies.....
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Latest list of items for May 20th:
Corsair 747
Monarch A330/ A300/ 767
Flyjet 767
Some new spanish charter crowd 757
Flybe 146
Aer arann ATR72
Eirjet A320.
More to be added.
Thanks to "Corkspotter"
Corsair 747
Monarch A330/ A300/ 767
Flyjet 767
Some new spanish charter crowd 757
Flybe 146
Aer arann ATR72
Eirjet A320.
More to be added.
Thanks to "Corkspotter"
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New parking procedures at Cork
Looks as if the introduction of Nose-In parking is imminent at Cork as notams have been posted outlining the proposed changes. This will create two extra stands at Cork regardless of when the DAA decide to open the new terminal.
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Interesting article in Sunday Independent re the break-up of the Irish airports and the ongoing muddle that is Irish aviation policy.
Half thought-out airports plan shows breaking up is hard to do
THE break-up of Aer Rianta into three separate businesses consisting of Dublin, Shannon and Cork airports is turning into a fiasco.
Former Transport Minister Seamus Brennan had this brainwave several years ago and decided to press ahead with it, despite the fact that most of the detail had not been worked out. It was never a good idea in the first place.
The latest skirmish between two of the divisions of the former single company is over who should carry the debts of Cork Airport.
The board of Cork Airport wants its sizeable debt to be shifted over to the Dublin Airport Authority.
This seems to have been part of what Seamus Brennan envisaged, but Dublin has its own ideas. Before getting into the pros and cons of who should carry what debt, it is worthwhile pointing out a few basic facts about the whole process.
Firstly, the break-up of Aer Rianta never happened. The former board led by Noel Hanlon did step down. Expensive watches were handed out and some of them later returned.
A new Dublin Airport Authority emerged. Separate boards for Cork and Shannon were set up and they were supposed to begin competing against each other.
The assets of the business still remain with the Dublin Airport Authority, so we have two new boards, but still one single corporate entity.
Shannon Airport has begun the painful but necessary process of reducing its costs through a voluntary redundancy process.
To help sweeten this bitter pill, the Minister for Enterprise Trade and Employment has told Shannon Development to hand over €6m per year for the next five years to Shannon Airport.
This €30m State handout will subsidise its losses and mask its real financial performance.
Despite initial efforts to reduce staff numbers at the loss-making Shannon, it still has not happened yet and it is getting bogged down in the process.
Cork was promised that its €200m debt would be transferred over to Dublin's balance sheet.
But it has now emerged that Dublin needs to have certain distributable assets in place before major debts can be transferred. Dublin also maintains that it was never definitively established that it would take over Cork's debt.
Furtheremore, some directors have raised the issue of whether wiping out the debts of Cork airport would amount to a State aid. The Attorney General is now looking into this issue.
Why are these basic things only being dealt with now, and the AG's office should examine Shannon Development's €30m handout to Shannon Airport while they are at it.
Meanwhile, it has been decided that the second terminal at Dublin Airport will be owned by the Dublin Airport Authority rather than the private sector.
After a tendering process for the operation of the terminal, due to be held some time this century, no doubt the DAA will emerge as the winner.
The loss-making Great Southern Hotel Group has not been sold.
So the break-up of Aer Rianta has so far achieved what exactly?
The end of Noel Hanlon and followed by 'watch-gate', the creation of three boards instead of Noel Hanlon's one, and a lot of huffing and puffing about competition between airports.
All major decisions by Cork and Shannon still have to go through Dublin, because the Munster entities don't actually own any assets.
We've had murmurings about selling the Great Southern Hotel chain and the beginning of talks about reducing the headcount at Shannon. And that is it.
No doubt the boards of Cork and Shannon will argue that they are doing their best to compete against each other and Dublin.
And to be fair to them, both airports are performing well during the current economic and travel boom.
It isn't their fault if a half thought-out idea is gradually grinding to a halt.
Half thought-out airports plan shows breaking up is hard to do
THE break-up of Aer Rianta into three separate businesses consisting of Dublin, Shannon and Cork airports is turning into a fiasco.
Former Transport Minister Seamus Brennan had this brainwave several years ago and decided to press ahead with it, despite the fact that most of the detail had not been worked out. It was never a good idea in the first place.
The latest skirmish between two of the divisions of the former single company is over who should carry the debts of Cork Airport.
The board of Cork Airport wants its sizeable debt to be shifted over to the Dublin Airport Authority.
This seems to have been part of what Seamus Brennan envisaged, but Dublin has its own ideas. Before getting into the pros and cons of who should carry what debt, it is worthwhile pointing out a few basic facts about the whole process.
Firstly, the break-up of Aer Rianta never happened. The former board led by Noel Hanlon did step down. Expensive watches were handed out and some of them later returned.
A new Dublin Airport Authority emerged. Separate boards for Cork and Shannon were set up and they were supposed to begin competing against each other.
The assets of the business still remain with the Dublin Airport Authority, so we have two new boards, but still one single corporate entity.
Shannon Airport has begun the painful but necessary process of reducing its costs through a voluntary redundancy process.
To help sweeten this bitter pill, the Minister for Enterprise Trade and Employment has told Shannon Development to hand over €6m per year for the next five years to Shannon Airport.
This €30m State handout will subsidise its losses and mask its real financial performance.
Despite initial efforts to reduce staff numbers at the loss-making Shannon, it still has not happened yet and it is getting bogged down in the process.
Cork was promised that its €200m debt would be transferred over to Dublin's balance sheet.
But it has now emerged that Dublin needs to have certain distributable assets in place before major debts can be transferred. Dublin also maintains that it was never definitively established that it would take over Cork's debt.
Furtheremore, some directors have raised the issue of whether wiping out the debts of Cork airport would amount to a State aid. The Attorney General is now looking into this issue.
Why are these basic things only being dealt with now, and the AG's office should examine Shannon Development's €30m handout to Shannon Airport while they are at it.
Meanwhile, it has been decided that the second terminal at Dublin Airport will be owned by the Dublin Airport Authority rather than the private sector.
After a tendering process for the operation of the terminal, due to be held some time this century, no doubt the DAA will emerge as the winner.
The loss-making Great Southern Hotel Group has not been sold.
So the break-up of Aer Rianta has so far achieved what exactly?
The end of Noel Hanlon and followed by 'watch-gate', the creation of three boards instead of Noel Hanlon's one, and a lot of huffing and puffing about competition between airports.
All major decisions by Cork and Shannon still have to go through Dublin, because the Munster entities don't actually own any assets.
We've had murmurings about selling the Great Southern Hotel chain and the beginning of talks about reducing the headcount at Shannon. And that is it.
No doubt the boards of Cork and Shannon will argue that they are doing their best to compete against each other and Dublin.
And to be fair to them, both airports are performing well during the current economic and travel boom.
It isn't their fault if a half thought-out idea is gradually grinding to a halt.
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Opening for Munster
Looks like moves are a foot in relation to using the new terminal for the mast exit on May 20th. As i understand it there will be a meeting shortly to discuss the possiblity of using the new building. When you think of it, its the only option all check in will be cabin baggage and its a simple walk on and go system ... theres no doubt that the old terminal couldn't deal with the amount of movements mentioned in previous posts
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Yes, asianfly, that is a hard hitting article from the Sunday Indo and it is good that the Dublin newspapers are again showing some interest in the goings on at an airport other than at Dublin.
It is clear that Aer Rianta considered Cork Airport no more than an vague afterthought and even Dublin Airport was sacraficed for so long at the alter of that sacred cow down in County Clare, that den of conniving and dirty politics.
Now, we learn that a Minister for Enterprise from the constituency of Cork South Central wants Shannon Development to give that foul airport another of our 30 million Euros to prop up the stench for another five years by fiddling around again with the numbers game.
It is so obvious that every stunt in the book is being looked now to nail Cork and ruin her by this government so depraved from power, the latest twist being referring the debt matter to the Attorney General. Every, every obstacle is being hatched to damn Cork Airport's future and for now they are getting away with it due to Cork and Cork Airport's legacy of gutlessness and weakness.
You can be sure the crowd in Clare will be taking the 30 million euro and more from you and me and all Cork Airport will be doing is taking a kick up the behind and begging to be kicked again and again.
It is clear that Aer Rianta considered Cork Airport no more than an vague afterthought and even Dublin Airport was sacraficed for so long at the alter of that sacred cow down in County Clare, that den of conniving and dirty politics.
Now, we learn that a Minister for Enterprise from the constituency of Cork South Central wants Shannon Development to give that foul airport another of our 30 million Euros to prop up the stench for another five years by fiddling around again with the numbers game.
It is so obvious that every stunt in the book is being looked now to nail Cork and ruin her by this government so depraved from power, the latest twist being referring the debt matter to the Attorney General. Every, every obstacle is being hatched to damn Cork Airport's future and for now they are getting away with it due to Cork and Cork Airport's legacy of gutlessness and weakness.
You can be sure the crowd in Clare will be taking the 30 million euro and more from you and me and all Cork Airport will be doing is taking a kick up the behind and begging to be kicked again and again.
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The SFADCO money was probably being used to promote SNN indirectly so its a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.
My gut feeling is that Irish Aviation policy will change radically once the election is out of the way.
Airports are not there to act as an alternative to the St.Vincent De Paul Society.
My gut feeling is that Irish Aviation policy will change radically once the election is out of the way.
Airports are not there to act as an alternative to the St.Vincent De Paul Society.