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Local Media today suggest that Cork will only have one airbridge? I can asure everyone that there are FOUR glass/aluminium airbrigdes physically attached to the new terminal. Perhaps the argument is over how many will be operational on day one?
The airbridge situation @ ORK is farsical, any new terminal is expected to have them, especially with weather conditions like those that prevail @ EICK, wind, rain, etc. The fact of the matter is that the DAA want to keep Cork in the stone-age, for whatever reason.
Aer Lingus insisted on the 'bridges in the first place and should now be forced to use them. The notion that they need to use both doors for 'quick' turns is utter rubbish. EI turns @ cork are on average, 55 mins, and they use them at the destination airports! If EI really are "commited to Cork" and "way better" they would use the airbriges.I wold also like to point out that fares ex Cork are much higher that from Dublin, and then to add insult to injury we are expected to be blown away in the wind and soked to the skin before we can buy the pricy snacks on board? Get real EI, and the DAA.
The airbridge situation @ ORK is farsical, any new terminal is expected to have them, especially with weather conditions like those that prevail @ EICK, wind, rain, etc. The fact of the matter is that the DAA want to keep Cork in the stone-age, for whatever reason.
Aer Lingus insisted on the 'bridges in the first place and should now be forced to use them. The notion that they need to use both doors for 'quick' turns is utter rubbish. EI turns @ cork are on average, 55 mins, and they use them at the destination airports! If EI really are "commited to Cork" and "way better" they would use the airbriges.I wold also like to point out that fares ex Cork are much higher that from Dublin, and then to add insult to injury we are expected to be blown away in the wind and soked to the skin before we can buy the pricy snacks on board? Get real EI, and the DAA.
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well they are going to make the other ones "walk down ones"(cant think of somthing better to describe it as) or somthing like in stansted i think. Stupid if you ask me - They build a multimillion euro terminal and then only have 1 air bridge
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It is simple. Cork Airport had been dumbed down from day one. Built up high on a hill with plenty of low cloud, wind, rain, fog and generally a lot of poor weather. Also, a short runway which it is hard to stop thinking if that had been a deliberate decision in order not to take away from snn down the years?
The Cork Airport board must be weak? One airbridge, for heavens sake! Have you ever heard such utter rubbish? What the hell is going on?
What is more the fare paying public are going to be forking out 200 million euro or thereabouts for this new terminal and they will still be getting soaked and still being diverted in low visibility below CATII minima!
And what about next summer? EMA gone, MAN just one daily flight when a few years ago there were five flights! Just three Stansted flights rather than four and MUN is not in the EI schedule either after next March. I am seriously wondering about the supposed 4th EI Airbus. You would think if it was to happen they would have announced it by now and the new routes to give folk an opportunity to buy tickets as Christmas presents etc? More FR routes would mean more aircraft and where would such aircraft park?
You can forget about the North Atlantic - snn will see to that. They are fare more cute than the Cork crowd whom are hardly at the races at all?
A strong Cork Airport is as far away as ever?
The Cork Airport board must be weak? One airbridge, for heavens sake! Have you ever heard such utter rubbish? What the hell is going on?
What is more the fare paying public are going to be forking out 200 million euro or thereabouts for this new terminal and they will still be getting soaked and still being diverted in low visibility below CATII minima!
And what about next summer? EMA gone, MAN just one daily flight when a few years ago there were five flights! Just three Stansted flights rather than four and MUN is not in the EI schedule either after next March. I am seriously wondering about the supposed 4th EI Airbus. You would think if it was to happen they would have announced it by now and the new routes to give folk an opportunity to buy tickets as Christmas presents etc? More FR routes would mean more aircraft and where would such aircraft park?
You can forget about the North Atlantic - snn will see to that. They are fare more cute than the Cork crowd whom are hardly at the races at all?
A strong Cork Airport is as far away as ever?
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Spending well over 100 m euro on a new terminal and not bothering to include air bridges seems a bit crazy to me. But then EICK seems to get away with treating its passengers with contempt.
If they are not going to have air-bridges (or at least only one of them), then at least provide covered walkways to the nearer stands and bus transport to the far off stands. The airlines, the CAA, and the agents can argue night and day about whose reponsibility that is, but they should bang heads together and sort it out. Arriving at a spanking new terminal, and then be subjected to a walk in a downpour sans umbrella or any other cover to a distand stand for a hour plus flight to London or wherever is a bloody disgrace. It is one quick way to get the Cork version of 'Bird Flu'! It has happened to me on more that one occassion and I think the decision makers (politicans, DAA/CAA heavies, airline mgt gurus, etc) will need to take the ORK 'walk of shame' to experience this unique joy first hand.
Interesting also how the story broke as the Roy Keane news dominated news and the city was engrossed in the local soccer team playing the championship decider (we won by the way!!) Rant over!
If they are not going to have air-bridges (or at least only one of them), then at least provide covered walkways to the nearer stands and bus transport to the far off stands. The airlines, the CAA, and the agents can argue night and day about whose reponsibility that is, but they should bang heads together and sort it out. Arriving at a spanking new terminal, and then be subjected to a walk in a downpour sans umbrella or any other cover to a distand stand for a hour plus flight to London or wherever is a bloody disgrace. It is one quick way to get the Cork version of 'Bird Flu'! It has happened to me on more that one occassion and I think the decision makers (politicans, DAA/CAA heavies, airline mgt gurus, etc) will need to take the ORK 'walk of shame' to experience this unique joy first hand.
Interesting also how the story broke as the Roy Keane news dominated news and the city was engrossed in the local soccer team playing the championship decider (we won by the way!!) Rant over!
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The problem is that the Dublin Airport Authority deeply resent having to pay for the terminal in Cork, though we're still not sure if they will be saddled with the depth. The latest word is that they have issued an ultimatum to the Cork Board that they will not sanction any spending that exceeds 163million euro ,
a massive increase on the original tender price.
This does not allow for more than one airbridge and also rules out any walkways. Can any one explain how a terminal that was built at a fixed price contract which is the reason which the old Aer Rianta gave for delaying the commencement of the project, could incur such a huge overrun.
Maybe Eddie Hobbs or the RTE documentary team should be asked to investigate.
Apart from the 3 per week Jet 2 Newcastle service, Cork has failed to secure any new routes since John Smyth left last March. BMI and Aer Aran ;two of the biggest 5 customers at Cork ,will have less seats in 2006 than in 2005.
We are told that "there's plenty business out there" but its time to start delivering. Is anyone talking to Easyjet ? You must be proaactive in this game.
a massive increase on the original tender price.
This does not allow for more than one airbridge and also rules out any walkways. Can any one explain how a terminal that was built at a fixed price contract which is the reason which the old Aer Rianta gave for delaying the commencement of the project, could incur such a huge overrun.
Maybe Eddie Hobbs or the RTE documentary team should be asked to investigate.
Apart from the 3 per week Jet 2 Newcastle service, Cork has failed to secure any new routes since John Smyth left last March. BMI and Aer Aran ;two of the biggest 5 customers at Cork ,will have less seats in 2006 than in 2005.
We are told that "there's plenty business out there" but its time to start delivering. Is anyone talking to Easyjet ? You must be proaactive in this game.
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do you have a link to anywhere it said EI wanted airbridges at ORK? I remeber the opposite as being true but since you made the assertion you can do the legwork.
check this out for instance:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ge#post1514447
mark_heg
regardless of what was previously tossed around, the wording as currently released makes no such provision. Again, if someone else can dig up something from dot.gov or transport.ie I would be delighted to hear it.
do you have a link to anywhere it said EI wanted airbridges at ORK? I remeber the opposite as being true but since you made the assertion you can do the legwork.
check this out for instance:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ge#post1514447
mark_heg
regardless of what was previously tossed around, the wording as currently released makes no such provision. Again, if someone else can dig up something from dot.gov or transport.ie I would be delighted to hear it.
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I have no problem in not using an air-bridge, and in many ways like the fact that you can just walk off the plane and into the terminal. However, given the large increase in movements and a limited number of stands near the terminal entrance, passengers in general have a longer walk to and from aircraft. As a result, in inclement weather (which Cork Airport seems to revel in), getting soaked to the skin is not unusual. Hence the argument for a cheap alternative, namely covered walkways or bus shuttles.
As for air-bridges specifically, they were included in the original plans but have obviously got chopped due to budgetary contraints. Likewise, the new contol tower and (I believe) a paralell taxiway also got the chop. Given the above, I find it hard to believe but am not surprised that there is no change out of 160m Euro. In my opinion, the new terminal and the associated works (new multi-storey carpark and approach roads) are very poor value for money. Worse, I fear that it will be a millstone around the neck of the airport going forward as you can bet your bottom dollar that the CAA will be left carrying the can in terms of debt.
As for air-bridges specifically, they were included in the original plans but have obviously got chopped due to budgetary contraints. Likewise, the new contol tower and (I believe) a paralell taxiway also got the chop. Given the above, I find it hard to believe but am not surprised that there is no change out of 160m Euro. In my opinion, the new terminal and the associated works (new multi-storey carpark and approach roads) are very poor value for money. Worse, I fear that it will be a millstone around the neck of the airport going forward as you can bet your bottom dollar that the CAA will be left carrying the can in terms of debt.
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It is a little strange that Aer Lingus haven't announced the fourth A320 it it's going to be placed in Cork next Summer. However, they haven't announced any new routes from Dublin for next Summer, so that doesn't mean it's going to happen.
As to which routes they would serve, I suspect that they may add capacity to existing routes as much as add new ones. Alicante and Paris could certainly take extra capacity. They could also up the frequency to Amsterdam, Nice, Barcelona or Malaga. It's a low-risk option, because they can predict demand much more easily on an existing route.
For new destination, the three that spring to mind are Madrid, Krakow and Riga. Madrid would attract a reasonable amount of traffic in its own right, but given a suitably timed flight and a code-share with Iberia, it could work quite nicely on a 3x per week basis. They will have assessed the demand for Warsaw and will have a good idea how much there would be for Krakow and Riga from Poles and Latvians living in the Munster region. Krakow is also a growing tourist destination.
There is also a possibility that they are reassessing their intentions given Ryanair's sudden interest in Cork. Extra capacity to Paris or Malaga could look foolish if Ryanair start eyeing up those routes.
brian_dromey->Air Wales have switched the Plymouth flight to Exeter.
As to which routes they would serve, I suspect that they may add capacity to existing routes as much as add new ones. Alicante and Paris could certainly take extra capacity. They could also up the frequency to Amsterdam, Nice, Barcelona or Malaga. It's a low-risk option, because they can predict demand much more easily on an existing route.
For new destination, the three that spring to mind are Madrid, Krakow and Riga. Madrid would attract a reasonable amount of traffic in its own right, but given a suitably timed flight and a code-share with Iberia, it could work quite nicely on a 3x per week basis. They will have assessed the demand for Warsaw and will have a good idea how much there would be for Krakow and Riga from Poles and Latvians living in the Munster region. Krakow is also a growing tourist destination.
There is also a possibility that they are reassessing their intentions given Ryanair's sudden interest in Cork. Extra capacity to Paris or Malaga could look foolish if Ryanair start eyeing up those routes.
brian_dromey->Air Wales have switched the Plymouth flight to Exeter.
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Whats the story with CAT II nav aids for runway 35/17 these days? Just the one airbridge is pretty pathetic but its better than nothing. No US carrier would use the facilites without an airbridge, business pax pay for a service, is CAA going to wake up any time soon? As asianfly said about the roads and multistory are not what cork airports needs right now its not money well spent. Its such a fiasco from start to finish, CAA need to be more aggressive and do a better job promoting cork and atttacting more airlines. The operation right now wouldnt attract squat in the future.
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Im not completelly sure but I would think that 35 would need CAT II approaches at some point. When was CAT II initially installed for 17 ??
They are aiming for a 1 in 4 stop over in shannon for nov of next year. So that could easily include cork. So is CAA activiely promoting cork to US airlines? I hear that shannon will be extensively advertising itself (shannon) in the US. Is Cork going to be trying to do the same in the US. Next nov should be a good start for cork. The terminal should be well done and at least one airbridge in place. AA or CO are the real contenders I am really interested to see what will happen there.
They are aiming for a 1 in 4 stop over in shannon for nov of next year. So that could easily include cork. So is CAA activiely promoting cork to US airlines? I hear that shannon will be extensively advertising itself (shannon) in the US. Is Cork going to be trying to do the same in the US. Next nov should be a good start for cork. The terminal should be well done and at least one airbridge in place. AA or CO are the real contenders I am really interested to see what will happen there.
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I wouldn't hold my breath Mark. Everyone associated with Cork talks about transatlantic talk is cheap. Heard that Easyjet offered Cork a very attractive package but no agreement reached.
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Really, can you tell more about the easyjet package? If they offered an alicante route or similar that would be great. Why isn't cork offering Easyjet an attractive package and not the other way round? is that usually the case?
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I cannot find a referance for EI's insistance on the Airbridges. However what I can confirm is that a new terminal was not originaly part of the plan at all, (in the late 90's when EI were service driven). The new terminal was only added to allow airbridges, as the old terminal was too close to the runway to allow airaft to pass while others were docked.
Again I repeat that the airport has FOUR fully installed aibridges at the airport, not mere stubs, but the entire assembly. The planning permission for the terminal could not be changed to exclude them without significant cost, so the DAA was forced to install them. It also appears that the DAA will be forced to pay for the building.
New routes from Cork?-It has been terrobly quiet on that fronteer lately, heres hoping that the're up to something good at EICK!-wont be holding my breath though.
Again I repeat that the airport has FOUR fully installed aibridges at the airport, not mere stubs, but the entire assembly. The planning permission for the terminal could not be changed to exclude them without significant cost, so the DAA was forced to install them. It also appears that the DAA will be forced to pay for the building.
New routes from Cork?-It has been terrobly quiet on that fronteer lately, heres hoping that the're up to something good at EICK!-wont be holding my breath though.
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Age dims the memory now somewhat but I have a feeling CATII for 17 would be more like from the mid 1990s? Open to correction. I feel that if the facility had been there anytime in the 1980s I would never have needed to start taking them tablets 
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So, easyJet offered Cork an attractive package and no agreement reached? Why not? In business deals are struck everyday, right?
Tomorrow, Ryanair are due to begin flights from Cork to Dublin and Gatwick which are two all ready established routes. In January, Ryanair will drop a Stansted flight.
Yet, we are told easyJet offer Cork an attractive package and there is no take up from Cork? Curiouser and curiouser!
In today's media in Cork one of the local TDs, (MP) Bernard Allen of the main opposition party, Fine Gael, has been calling out loudly for direct flights to America. Mr Allen was very much in the public eye yesterday for being thrown out of An Dail (parliament) in a debate about the provision of cancer services in the Cork area.
Top marks to the man for a getting in an angle today to promote Cork flights directly to America!
!So, easyJet offered Cork an attractive package and no agreement reached? Why not? In business deals are struck everyday, right?
Tomorrow, Ryanair are due to begin flights from Cork to Dublin and Gatwick which are two all ready established routes. In January, Ryanair will drop a Stansted flight.
Yet, we are told easyJet offer Cork an attractive package and there is no take up from Cork? Curiouser and curiouser!
In today's media in Cork one of the local TDs, (MP) Bernard Allen of the main opposition party, Fine Gael, has been calling out loudly for direct flights to America. Mr Allen was very much in the public eye yesterday for being thrown out of An Dail (parliament) in a debate about the provision of cancer services in the Cork area.
Top marks to the man for a getting in an angle today to promote Cork flights directly to America!
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I see that Eirjet have applied for permission to operate ad hoc
charter flights between Ireland and the U.S. for a period of 180
days, commencing November 24th 2005.
Maybe its shopping trips from EICK!
charter flights between Ireland and the U.S. for a period of 180
days, commencing November 24th 2005.
Maybe its shopping trips from EICK!
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You can see more detail in my reply to the Eirjet thread.
They've applied for this in an A320. An A320 from Cork, might just make it to a few small airports in Maine, but that's it. The chances are that it's so that they can fly wet-lease charters in the US.
They've applied for this in an A320. An A320 from Cork, might just make it to a few small airports in Maine, but that's it. The chances are that it's so that they can fly wet-lease charters in the US.
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There are serious negotiations underway at the moment in relation to new routes at Cork. Any major deal would almost certainly need to be in place before Christmas if were to begin in April/May in tandem with the opening of the new terminal.
Renewed speculation about the use of the old terminal given that covered walkways have also been knocked out of the construction project. 2 terminals for 3 million pax per annum seems a bit excessive but stranger things have happened and Cork is unorthodox in every respect.
Renewed speculation about the use of the old terminal given that covered walkways have also been knocked out of the construction project. 2 terminals for 3 million pax per annum seems a bit excessive but stranger things have happened and Cork is unorthodox in every respect.
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Where did in the media was there talks about Eirjet commencing an ad hoc service to the US? That would be great if it were true, but on an A320 ?? sounds a bit far fetched, are they thinking about another aircraft type? This should be interesting, it might die a same death as Aer Arann's plans did when they were deciding to start ork - US. But I am eager to see the result of this, anything is welcomed :-)
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Does this mean that there will be 4 fully functional air bridges, and not just 1 fully funtional one and the stubs of 3 others. If you could clarify that it would be great.
Where did in the media was there talks about Eirjet commencing an ad hoc service to the US? That would be great if it were true, but on an A320 ?? sounds a bit far fetched, are they thinking about another aircraft type? This should be interesting, it might die a same death as Aer Arann's plans did when they were deciding to start ork - US. But I am eager to see the result of this, anything is welcomed :-)
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Does this mean that there will be 4 fully functional air bridges, and not just 1 fully funtional one and the stubs of 3 others. If you could clarify that it would be great.