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How essential is a paralell taxiway in Cork? Is it really a neccessity, or is it something that could be deferred till later? Can't imagine it has much of an impact on ops, but then again I am no expert. Can anyone fill me in. Cheers.
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landings on 17 require a 180 backtrack before turning off at Taxiway C or all the way to A,this usually isnt a problem,but the annoying thing is going down to 35 for take off and to turn around and line up,it slows down aircraft going out,even if theres an aircraft on a long final for 35 an aircraft awaiting departure must hold short of rwy 25 which is a bit annoying.
why cant ramp space be organised between runway 07/25 and the club?? transport can then be organised across to the terminal.
why cant ramp space be organised between runway 07/25 and the club?? transport can then be organised across to the terminal.
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I made a posting last night but it was somehow lost in the ether! The misunderstandings about Nantes appears solved now. My remarks were referring to the new FR Stansted to Nantes service that was due to begin on 11th January whilst Neidin appears to be talking about the Shannon to Nantes Ryanair which sure enough began around last November.
Cork lost out on securing Nantes in the time post Jetmagic. A great pity as Nantes always seemed to do well for Jetmagic at least in loads if not in yield but there must have been a reasonable return given that the flight was so relatively short?
A lot of Faire d'income's post is again a promotion of a continuing status quo at Shannon for flights to North America. As may be expected this kind of attitude must be roundly rejected and over and over again if necessary. A new parallel taxiway to the end of runway 35 at Cork would be welcome of course but the lacking of same would hardly be much of a block to the beginning of U.S. bound passenger flights?
bmi baby have little excuse for not shooting CATII approaches at Cork. They have been flying to Cork now for a few years and their brothers and sisters at bmi flying the Embraers from LBA have no issues with doing CATIIs when the met conditions make it necessary. However, let bmi baby speak for themselves on the matter if they want. Cork passengers including myself that use their services would love to hear their side of the story.
Cork Airport has been again in the local media in the last few days. There was a substantial letter in yesterday's Irish Examiner from a Tom Kelly (not me!!) about how Cork is so financially paralysed at the moment that nothing at all may be bought without the sayso of the Dublin Airport Authority! Even the buying of toilet paper is mentioned! Mr Kelly questions what kind of authority the Cork Airport Authority actually has in fact! He suggests that the new airport board should put it up to Minister for Transport, Cullen and threaten to resign if the situation is not remedied in relation to the new terminal's cost. The lack of covered walkways in this day and age is mentioned and that in the meantime passengers whom are disabled, elderly or frail will have to continue to walk half a kilometre in the wind and rain to aircraft parked at remote stands. What a day of wind and rain it was yesterday in Cork!
It is interesting to note that cars are sometimes used at Cork by despatchers to get to and from airliners parked at the remote stands.
Cork lost out on securing Nantes in the time post Jetmagic. A great pity as Nantes always seemed to do well for Jetmagic at least in loads if not in yield but there must have been a reasonable return given that the flight was so relatively short?
A lot of Faire d'income's post is again a promotion of a continuing status quo at Shannon for flights to North America. As may be expected this kind of attitude must be roundly rejected and over and over again if necessary. A new parallel taxiway to the end of runway 35 at Cork would be welcome of course but the lacking of same would hardly be much of a block to the beginning of U.S. bound passenger flights?
bmi baby have little excuse for not shooting CATII approaches at Cork. They have been flying to Cork now for a few years and their brothers and sisters at bmi flying the Embraers from LBA have no issues with doing CATIIs when the met conditions make it necessary. However, let bmi baby speak for themselves on the matter if they want. Cork passengers including myself that use their services would love to hear their side of the story.
Cork Airport has been again in the local media in the last few days. There was a substantial letter in yesterday's Irish Examiner from a Tom Kelly (not me!!) about how Cork is so financially paralysed at the moment that nothing at all may be bought without the sayso of the Dublin Airport Authority! Even the buying of toilet paper is mentioned! Mr Kelly questions what kind of authority the Cork Airport Authority actually has in fact! He suggests that the new airport board should put it up to Minister for Transport, Cullen and threaten to resign if the situation is not remedied in relation to the new terminal's cost. The lack of covered walkways in this day and age is mentioned and that in the meantime passengers whom are disabled, elderly or frail will have to continue to walk half a kilometre in the wind and rain to aircraft parked at remote stands. What a day of wind and rain it was yesterday in Cork!
It is interesting to note that cars are sometimes used at Cork by despatchers to get to and from airliners parked at the remote stands.
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Never mind all the continued waffle about longhaul from ORK. What are Cork doing to keep EasyJet. The loads on the LGW service are diabolical over the last three months. There is no reason to chase a few 100 passengers a week from the USA when you have 3 flts a day to LGW that are failing. Keep your current customers - never mind the TA.
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Originally Posted by neidin
What are Cork doing to keep EasyJet. The loads on the LGW service are diabolical over the last three months. There is no reason to chase a few 100 passengers a week from the USA when you have 3 flts a day to LGW that are failing. Keep your current customers - never mind the TA.
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News story below from Saturday's Irish Independent. Looks to me that the unions are winning this one and that the 'break-up' of Aer Rianta into three is gradually being reversed.
FEARS are growing at Shannon and Cork airports that the Government might be thinking of doing a U-turn on plans allowing them operate debt-free.
At least two independent airport board members are now "deeply unhappy" with the Government's failure to clarify the debt issue.
Transport Minister Cullen is urging the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA), Cork and Shannon to jointly negotiate a settlement.
But at least two directors are now understood to be ready to reconsider their positions if Minister Cullen fails to endorse a written guarantee from his predecessor, Minister Seamas Brennan, that both Cork and Shannon will not begin independent operations from Aer Rianta/DAA burdened with debt.
One director, who asked to be unnamed, said there was now 'grave concern' that the issue of airport debt was being deliberately fudged by Minister Cullen.
"The issue of debt has very serious implications and it is vital that the Government and Minister Cullen fully understand that," he explained.
The DAA are now understood to want Cork to accept a portion of the debt generated by its Ä150m new terminal which will open next summer - particularly since Dublin faces the cost of building its own giant new terminal, Pier D. But Cork warned that any debt repayment would have to be sourced from its operating budgets - which are already over-stretched. Cork already has less employees per passenger than either Shannon or Dublin - and last year savoured growth of more than 20pc. The threat of debt has already prompted Cork's Lord Mayor, Cllr Deirdre Clune (FG), to issue a cross-party warning that the issue could jeopardise the entire future of the city's new terminal.
The Lord Mayor warned that at the very time Cork Airport should be working to maximise the potential of its new terminal, its board was 'effectively in limbo' because they are uncertain about their true financial status.
FEARS are growing at Shannon and Cork airports that the Government might be thinking of doing a U-turn on plans allowing them operate debt-free.
At least two independent airport board members are now "deeply unhappy" with the Government's failure to clarify the debt issue.
Transport Minister Cullen is urging the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA), Cork and Shannon to jointly negotiate a settlement.
But at least two directors are now understood to be ready to reconsider their positions if Minister Cullen fails to endorse a written guarantee from his predecessor, Minister Seamas Brennan, that both Cork and Shannon will not begin independent operations from Aer Rianta/DAA burdened with debt.
One director, who asked to be unnamed, said there was now 'grave concern' that the issue of airport debt was being deliberately fudged by Minister Cullen.
"The issue of debt has very serious implications and it is vital that the Government and Minister Cullen fully understand that," he explained.
The DAA are now understood to want Cork to accept a portion of the debt generated by its Ä150m new terminal which will open next summer - particularly since Dublin faces the cost of building its own giant new terminal, Pier D. But Cork warned that any debt repayment would have to be sourced from its operating budgets - which are already over-stretched. Cork already has less employees per passenger than either Shannon or Dublin - and last year savoured growth of more than 20pc. The threat of debt has already prompted Cork's Lord Mayor, Cllr Deirdre Clune (FG), to issue a cross-party warning that the issue could jeopardise the entire future of the city's new terminal.
The Lord Mayor warned that at the very time Cork Airport should be working to maximise the potential of its new terminal, its board was 'effectively in limbo' because they are uncertain about their true financial status.
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A lot of Faire d'income's post is again a promotion of a continuing status quo at Shannon for flights to North America. As may be expected this kind of attitude must be roundly rejected and over and over again if necessary.
I pointed out the operational problems inherited by Cork airport management. It seems unlikely that any of these can be overcome in the present location.
If you think that a pilots criticism of the location of Cork airport is pro-Shannon propaganda you may need to take your head from it's current airy location. This attitude is more typical of the dreadful Shannon lobby.
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Hi all,
I just wanted to add my utter utter horror at the prospect of the CAA having to deal with the prospect of paying for the new terminal. It will be a terible day for the place if this comes to pass. I honestly fear for the comercial future of the airport in that they will need to look at means of paying this bill and we all know what will happen...Charges for everything from car parking to aircraft parking will rise. They will not be in a position to offer the kind of incentives to operators to start up new routes or indeed improve existing ones in short they will be at a major disadvantage to shannon and dublin. not to mention the local regionals particuarllarly Kerry. Its been milling about in my head all day really. the issue of the single airbridge now seems only like a small issue. I strongly urge every one to contact there local representitive and Mr Cullen so at least our thoughts are made known. Ive sent him along with two other TD s a strongly worded e-mail today. The actions of these people now will have reprocutions for a number of generations to come....(will we say in a number of years to come "well fair play to yer man cullen he saved the day for this place")
Of course come the grand opening of the terminal the place will be swamped with ministers looking for a baby to hold to show how wonderful they ve been to Cork and joe public will lap it up... Its a down right disgrace in my opinion... level playing field ehhhh..... my ar?e...
Now please write to Mr. Cullen. go to finna "fail" web site and you can write directly to a minister of your choice. Ill keep ye all posted if i hear anything back..
Jack Lynch is turning in his grave.....
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I just wanted to add my utter utter horror at the prospect of the CAA having to deal with the prospect of paying for the new terminal. It will be a terible day for the place if this comes to pass. I honestly fear for the comercial future of the airport in that they will need to look at means of paying this bill and we all know what will happen...Charges for everything from car parking to aircraft parking will rise. They will not be in a position to offer the kind of incentives to operators to start up new routes or indeed improve existing ones in short they will be at a major disadvantage to shannon and dublin. not to mention the local regionals particuarllarly Kerry. Its been milling about in my head all day really. the issue of the single airbridge now seems only like a small issue. I strongly urge every one to contact there local representitive and Mr Cullen so at least our thoughts are made known. Ive sent him along with two other TD s a strongly worded e-mail today. The actions of these people now will have reprocutions for a number of generations to come....(will we say in a number of years to come "well fair play to yer man cullen he saved the day for this place")
Of course come the grand opening of the terminal the place will be swamped with ministers looking for a baby to hold to show how wonderful they ve been to Cork and joe public will lap it up... Its a down right disgrace in my opinion... level playing field ehhhh..... my ar?e...
Now please write to Mr. Cullen. go to finna "fail" web site and you can write directly to a minister of your choice. Ill keep ye all posted if i hear anything back..
Jack Lynch is turning in his grave.....
Regs
EJ
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Faire d'income, I concede nothing on Cork's limitations. To do so otherwise is to give in and that suits Cork's main rivals but mainly snn. Flights to North America are achievable from Cork and are not only a dream persisting. All is redeemable at Cork with lots of money! All the put up obstacles about the runway, the ILS, slopes on the runway and dips at the threshold etc are excuses to do nothing and in the meantime the cash juggernaut was all the time rolling in to midwest airport everyday! The lobby there served them well. Another good lesson from history? They were not weak.
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I don't think anyone is going to persuade TTT that t/a from Cork won't work so maybe we should just let him dream on. Sorry Tom, you're a good advocate for Cork but you see enemies where there are only realists.
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Well, history will be our judge on the North Atlantic. Eventhough Cork's problems are far more fundamental just now with the lack of funds being willingly trotted out by many in Cork as an excuse for inaction on absolutely everything I remain fully confident about the mid to long term future. The DAA will not allowed to strangle Cork. Everything is still to play for and there is no reason for flights to America to be not included in any new goals. Cork says No to negativity!
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While I strongly agree with TTT in regard to the TA stuff I am of the opinion that the airport has bigger and infinetly more pressing battles ahead, Top priority should be this debth issue. This if not sorted will blow the competivness out of the water and we can sing for our chances of offering the right kind of inducement to a prospective TA carrier not to mention the bread and butter stuff going to the UK and Europe that can certainly be upgraded. I feel that there is a viable market for TA ex cork but this i feel would secondary from a finincial point of view in comparison to what is really needed at Cork which is more European/UK routes...
As I said above previously Ive sent some letters to some TD s to date I have recieved one reply, From Mr David Stanton(Fine Geal): who has said he has raised and will raise the matter again in the Dail following the recess, He also pointed out that he has attended a number of meetings with business people of the area on the matter, So I guess we will have to wait and see...,
In the mean time I sugest to all to lobby your representitive. Its of the upmost importance for the viable future of the airport.
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As I said above previously Ive sent some letters to some TD s to date I have recieved one reply, From Mr David Stanton(Fine Geal): who has said he has raised and will raise the matter again in the Dail following the recess, He also pointed out that he has attended a number of meetings with business people of the area on the matter, So I guess we will have to wait and see...,
In the mean time I sugest to all to lobby your representitive. Its of the upmost importance for the viable future of the airport.
Regs,
EJ
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I agree with eastjimmy on a number of issues here. Firstly, it is important to make your feelings known to your public representatives. The plan for the new terminal was based around the debt not being transferred to Cork Airport. Whatever about the rights or wrongs of the debt allocation, it is wrong to allow a business plan to be considered using one set of premises and then to shift them after it has been implemented. For those interested, Cork South Central is the most marginal constituency in Ireland (although that may mean that the government is resigned to losing a seat) and Cork South-West is one of the 10 most marginal.
I also agree that battling for transatlantic at the expense of European and UK routes may turn out to be foolish. Aside from new routes, one of the most important issues for the Cork business community would be an increase in frequency. Looking to move to double daily to UK destinations (especially Manchester) would be hugely beneficial.
I also agree that battling for transatlantic at the expense of European and UK routes may turn out to be foolish. Aside from new routes, one of the most important issues for the Cork business community would be an increase in frequency. Looking to move to double daily to UK destinations (especially Manchester) would be hugely beneficial.
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Well, gentlemen, it seems today's big news has evaded most of you until now. On local radio this morning in the Cork area it was announced that the new Marketing Manager for Cork Airport will be Mr Kevin Cullinane. Mr Cullinane replaces Mr John Smyth who resigned from the position last spring. Mr Cullinane was the former marketing manager of Heineken Ireland. The radio report went on to say that Mr Cullinane's appointment began today.
The best of luck to Mr Cullinane in his new job. The immediate times ahead for Mr Cullinane may be challenging in the light of the debt issues for the new terminal but he will have every chance to do well if the debt matters are eventually resoloved. If Mr Cullinane is luck enough to get some people around him whom are clued in on the aviation business it will be a great bonus.
It is not easy to see Cork having a double daily Manchester again. Ryanair have cleaned the boards with the new Liverpool route and it is almost certain that some of the potential Manchester traffic has gone in that direction. Yes, a big change to a few years ago when Cork had no less than five daily flights from Manchester, three BACX & two bmi baby. Alas, Cork will not be seeing that kind of frequency again to Manchester.
There are three daily BHX flights at the moment and from this summer it will increase to four on three days a week when EI introduce a service so there is a gain there. RE have increased the frequency to EDI in recent times and there must be every chance to see a full double daily soon. GLA is stagnant and it is hard to see that changing any time soon.
Jet2 and bmi baby will be battling it out on the north east England routes this summer from Newcastle and Durham Tees Valley. What way will that one go?
Amsterdam will be increasing frequency quite a bit this summer with a second flight on four days a week. It would be great to see a BRU service again soon but chances are slim as it is hard to SN Brussels Airlines returning to Cork for the time being even as a seasonal service. A pity.
Yes, I have a lot of passion about the North Atlantic and the potential from Cork. It was so close to all systems go last October before Mr Slattery cancelled his series of flights. It was quite literally a crying shame. In my gut the New York flights between October and Christmas would have worked and it was so heart breaking that those few flights at least did not operate. The precedent would have been set and the rest would have surely come together in time. It was a bitter, bitter blow.
However, Cork Airport and those of us who love our airport must press on and for me I must now take the doggies to the vet!
The best of luck to Mr Cullinane in his new job. The immediate times ahead for Mr Cullinane may be challenging in the light of the debt issues for the new terminal but he will have every chance to do well if the debt matters are eventually resoloved. If Mr Cullinane is luck enough to get some people around him whom are clued in on the aviation business it will be a great bonus.
It is not easy to see Cork having a double daily Manchester again. Ryanair have cleaned the boards with the new Liverpool route and it is almost certain that some of the potential Manchester traffic has gone in that direction. Yes, a big change to a few years ago when Cork had no less than five daily flights from Manchester, three BACX & two bmi baby. Alas, Cork will not be seeing that kind of frequency again to Manchester.
There are three daily BHX flights at the moment and from this summer it will increase to four on three days a week when EI introduce a service so there is a gain there. RE have increased the frequency to EDI in recent times and there must be every chance to see a full double daily soon. GLA is stagnant and it is hard to see that changing any time soon.
Jet2 and bmi baby will be battling it out on the north east England routes this summer from Newcastle and Durham Tees Valley. What way will that one go?
Amsterdam will be increasing frequency quite a bit this summer with a second flight on four days a week. It would be great to see a BRU service again soon but chances are slim as it is hard to SN Brussels Airlines returning to Cork for the time being even as a seasonal service. A pity.
Yes, I have a lot of passion about the North Atlantic and the potential from Cork. It was so close to all systems go last October before Mr Slattery cancelled his series of flights. It was quite literally a crying shame. In my gut the New York flights between October and Christmas would have worked and it was so heart breaking that those few flights at least did not operate. The precedent would have been set and the rest would have surely come together in time. It was a bitter, bitter blow.
However, Cork Airport and those of us who love our airport must press on and for me I must now take the doggies to the vet!
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It's an interesting appointment. He doesn't have any aviation experience, but Heineken Ireland have done a very good job of increasing their market share in the Irish beer market in recent years, so that's hopefully a sign that he has the right marketing skills at least.
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I don't think there is any big marketing job to be done.
It is a purely sales role in real terms to generate airlines and new routes. He will not have any real budget to spend on external marketing. I presume they will p..s away a fortune now on a new brand, style sheets, logos and DVD's etc...
But his job is to wander the world like a second hand car salesman flogging the place to regional UK airlines and the like. This is Cork airport - not Copenhagen.
It is a purely sales role in real terms to generate airlines and new routes. He will not have any real budget to spend on external marketing. I presume they will p..s away a fortune now on a new brand, style sheets, logos and DVD's etc...
But his job is to wander the world like a second hand car salesman flogging the place to regional UK airlines and the like. This is Cork airport - not Copenhagen.
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jet magic mk 2
hi all very swift msg as am catching flt
any info on article in flt international about jochen schnadt involved in new start up using the capacity purchace agreement with major intls by providing feeder flts?????
gota go!!!!!
any info on article in flt international about jochen schnadt involved in new start up using the capacity purchace agreement with major intls by providing feeder flts?????
gota go!!!!!