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The ramp at Cork is not controlled by Air Traffic Control but by the Cork Airport Authority. Good for RE to complain. If a closer stand is free there should be no difficulty for an RE to disembark her passengers and then reposition again to another stand for overnight parking etc.
The ILS to runway 35 is out of commission until the end of November. Thankfully, not runway 17 this time!
Sad to note that Cork no longer has an Nottingham East Midlands service with the ending of the bmi baby flights last Saturday. Placing flights to Stansted to one side East Midlands was Cork's first true low cost destination when bmi baby began a few years ago. BA too are now no more at Cork with the ending of the MAN service last weekend. bmi baby's winter schedule sees just one morning flight a day from Manchester. An opening there for Aer Arann to offer an evening service or even a twice daily?
The ILS to runway 35 is out of commission until the end of November. Thankfully, not runway 17 this time!
Sad to note that Cork no longer has an Nottingham East Midlands service with the ending of the bmi baby flights last Saturday. Placing flights to Stansted to one side East Midlands was Cork's first true low cost destination when bmi baby began a few years ago. BA too are now no more at Cork with the ending of the MAN service last weekend. bmi baby's winter schedule sees just one morning flight a day from Manchester. An opening there for Aer Arann to offer an evening service or even a twice daily?
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service from Cork to Budapest on the last two Friday's due to heavy bookings, a sure sign that the laod factors are rapidly improving, load factors on ORK Warsaw are also very encouraging according to sources at the airport.
service from Cork to Budapest on the last two Friday's due to heavy bookings, a sure sign that the laod factors are rapidly improving, load factors on ORK Warsaw are also very encouraging according to sources at the airport.
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An Aer Arann Captain kept her crew and passengers aboard her aircraft at Cork yesterday afternoon for around 58 minutes after landing from a flight from either Edinburgh or Dublin.
The aircraft had been given a remote stand, I believe Stand 10, so even in ordinary circumstances the passengers would have had to expect a longish walk back to the arrivals at Cork which is at Stand 5.
However, the circumstances were not ordinary at Cork yesterday afternoon. The wind was blowing gale force in driving and lashing rain.
The Aer Arann Captain sought a stand closer to the terminal to disembark her passengers but none was available and as the wind was raging and the rain was lashing the Captain decided safety first rather than open the doors and allow her passengers to be blown away down the ramp in the wind and rain.
So, it took up to 58 minutes for a closer stand to become available before the passengers were disembarked.
Top marks to the Aer Arann Captain who put the safety of her crew and passengers first.
The weather has been severe at Cork in the last month. Why does Cork Airport believe it has so little duty to her fee paying passengers in such bad weather as we are experiencing at the moment when some airliners are regularly so remotely parked?
It is time for Cork Airport and her customers, the airlines and passengers, to sort out this lunacy out once and for all?
Cork people deserve better.
The aircraft had been given a remote stand, I believe Stand 10, so even in ordinary circumstances the passengers would have had to expect a longish walk back to the arrivals at Cork which is at Stand 5.
However, the circumstances were not ordinary at Cork yesterday afternoon. The wind was blowing gale force in driving and lashing rain.
The Aer Arann Captain sought a stand closer to the terminal to disembark her passengers but none was available and as the wind was raging and the rain was lashing the Captain decided safety first rather than open the doors and allow her passengers to be blown away down the ramp in the wind and rain.
So, it took up to 58 minutes for a closer stand to become available before the passengers were disembarked.
Top marks to the Aer Arann Captain who put the safety of her crew and passengers first.
The weather has been severe at Cork in the last month. Why does Cork Airport believe it has so little duty to her fee paying passengers in such bad weather as we are experiencing at the moment when some airliners are regularly so remotely parked?
It is time for Cork Airport and her customers, the airlines and passengers, to sort out this lunacy out once and for all?
Cork people deserve better.
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This winter will be the busiest ever at Cork Airport. Last night a Monday night in November the terminal was packed with passengers. The ramp was full of aircraft. The early morning and mid afternoon also gets very busy.
We are likely to see many more repeats of the Aer Arann incidident in the coming months. It's a disgrace to see Servisair and Airport Management each blaming each other for not providing buses.
This "t'will do" culture has been tolerated at Cork for far too long. We are now seeing the result of years of neglect,lack of investment and downright apathy at the airport. Fair play to the Aer Arann Captain for refusing to allow his passengers be treated in such a disgraceful manner.
We are likely to see many more repeats of the Aer Arann incidident in the coming months. It's a disgrace to see Servisair and Airport Management each blaming each other for not providing buses.
This "t'will do" culture has been tolerated at Cork for far too long. We are now seeing the result of years of neglect,lack of investment and downright apathy at the airport. Fair play to the Aer Arann Captain for refusing to allow his passengers be treated in such a disgraceful manner.
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well done to her
i agree with the bus situation,if servisair organised a bus, the rent-a-cops probably wouldnt let it through the gate beacuse it's not organised by Aer Rianta and then again theyl blame each other
i agree with the bus situation,if servisair organised a bus, the rent-a-cops probably wouldnt let it through the gate beacuse it's not organised by Aer Rianta and then again theyl blame each other
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Do CAA intend to extend the ramp area at all. There isnt really a need for all the airbridges but it would be better if there was much more room for aircraft to park and passangers to walk to a gate?
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A covered walkway was to be in place by last summer but as often happens at Cork it never materialised. I'm told it will now be in place for next year in order to ensure that passengers who will have to walk the long distance from the new terminal to the stands in front of the old termnal will not get soaked to the skin.
A similar walkway has just been constructed as a link beteween the new terminal and the multi-story car park.
Latest word is that Ryanair will increase the Cork frequency to 5 per day early in the New Year !
A similar walkway has just been constructed as a link beteween the new terminal and the multi-story car park.
Latest word is that Ryanair will increase the Cork frequency to 5 per day early in the New Year !
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ryan2000->Which route will be going up to 5x a day?
By the new year, there should already be 9 Ryanair flights a day in Cork
3x STN
3x DUB
2x LGW
1x LPL
By the new year, there should already be 9 Ryanair flights a day in Cork
3x STN
3x DUB
2x LGW
1x LPL
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Hi All,
While on the subject of cork airport and as a regular user of the airport just a few comments. I know a lot of this has already been said but heres my twopence worth anyway!
I feel entirely sorry for the passengers who end up having to walk up to five minutes past empty stands to stand 13 or so with some of the severe weather we have had recently. The people who get the brunt of this are the cabin crew boarding the aircraft or the ground crew on the airport side. As far as I am aware airlines have no choice where they are parked but seem to get all the bad press about parking as if as recently mentioned in a newspaper article they wanted to save money by parking on the cheap stands. They really can conjure up some strange stories.
I have heard of aircraft repositioning to a different stand to pick up her passengers, but that just covers up the problem as this is not always an option. Fair dues to the crew though.How much would it cost to put a perspex tunnel along the walkway at cork airport as so commonly seen elsewhere?. I am sure at this stage the passengers would even cough up a few euros for it.
ILS 35 dissappearing for the majority of the winter! Is it just me or would this be better served happening in the summer months.
Staff parking in the airport is inadequate as from my experience there often is not staff parked there. I have heard recently of an airline captain being clamped, he did not have a sticker YET but had another means of identifying himself in the window, a call to the appropriate operator may have been a less severe method. A quick check of the majority of the windscreens in the Car park shows that a lot of the passengers are using this as free parking.
Anybody who has done the walk to work in the rain from the car park will have an interesting day in work to say the least.
I heard it mentioned earlier that Ryanairs introduction to cork is great. I disagree with this but everyone is entitled to their opinions. Brings more competition. Again not true, unless that is that the new definition of competition is allowing a very wealthy airline operate a route at a loss i.e 1 cent for a year or so until other people run out of money. I am sad to see the threat to Aer Arann in cork. I think their frequency, flexible ticketing, return check in and acceptance of passengers at -15mins will be a loss to the business community! Although they are far from perfect my general impression is that it is improving. I think it would be terrible to see a home grown airline like aer arann who have made great strides recently be shoved out of cork by big brother ryanair. There are a lot of cork people employed with this airline both directly and inderectly. I think if there is a reduction of this airline in Cork it is not good in the long run for other airlines also. Strange as it may sound.
The fact still remains that Cork people and arriving tourists are getting the short end of the straw while a lot of faffing goes on. Where are the priorities. I know a lot of people would rather see a new walkway a better selection of grub in the airport than a shiny new terminal!
Just my thoughts and i am fully open to comment or correction.
Aer Arann CAT 2- no excuse it should be organised as an operator out of cork. They have been dealing with the weather long enough to know that it is imperative come winter -or summer mind you -that you are CAT 2 Qualified. Especially out of one of your main bases!
Traffic layout- the less said the better. If i see one more car driving the wrong way to the airport i.e against the traffic. There will be an accident soon mark my words. Also some people seem to think that there is not a speed limit. I am not a prude 20 is ridiculous but 80+ also ridiculous.
Anyway fingers tired now must go.
Keep safe
While on the subject of cork airport and as a regular user of the airport just a few comments. I know a lot of this has already been said but heres my twopence worth anyway!
I feel entirely sorry for the passengers who end up having to walk up to five minutes past empty stands to stand 13 or so with some of the severe weather we have had recently. The people who get the brunt of this are the cabin crew boarding the aircraft or the ground crew on the airport side. As far as I am aware airlines have no choice where they are parked but seem to get all the bad press about parking as if as recently mentioned in a newspaper article they wanted to save money by parking on the cheap stands. They really can conjure up some strange stories.
I have heard of aircraft repositioning to a different stand to pick up her passengers, but that just covers up the problem as this is not always an option. Fair dues to the crew though.How much would it cost to put a perspex tunnel along the walkway at cork airport as so commonly seen elsewhere?. I am sure at this stage the passengers would even cough up a few euros for it.
ILS 35 dissappearing for the majority of the winter! Is it just me or would this be better served happening in the summer months.
Staff parking in the airport is inadequate as from my experience there often is not staff parked there. I have heard recently of an airline captain being clamped, he did not have a sticker YET but had another means of identifying himself in the window, a call to the appropriate operator may have been a less severe method. A quick check of the majority of the windscreens in the Car park shows that a lot of the passengers are using this as free parking.
Anybody who has done the walk to work in the rain from the car park will have an interesting day in work to say the least.
I heard it mentioned earlier that Ryanairs introduction to cork is great. I disagree with this but everyone is entitled to their opinions. Brings more competition. Again not true, unless that is that the new definition of competition is allowing a very wealthy airline operate a route at a loss i.e 1 cent for a year or so until other people run out of money. I am sad to see the threat to Aer Arann in cork. I think their frequency, flexible ticketing, return check in and acceptance of passengers at -15mins will be a loss to the business community! Although they are far from perfect my general impression is that it is improving. I think it would be terrible to see a home grown airline like aer arann who have made great strides recently be shoved out of cork by big brother ryanair. There are a lot of cork people employed with this airline both directly and inderectly. I think if there is a reduction of this airline in Cork it is not good in the long run for other airlines also. Strange as it may sound.
The fact still remains that Cork people and arriving tourists are getting the short end of the straw while a lot of faffing goes on. Where are the priorities. I know a lot of people would rather see a new walkway a better selection of grub in the airport than a shiny new terminal!
Just my thoughts and i am fully open to comment or correction.
Aer Arann CAT 2- no excuse it should be organised as an operator out of cork. They have been dealing with the weather long enough to know that it is imperative come winter -or summer mind you -that you are CAT 2 Qualified. Especially out of one of your main bases!
Traffic layout- the less said the better. If i see one more car driving the wrong way to the airport i.e against the traffic. There will be an accident soon mark my words. Also some people seem to think that there is not a speed limit. I am not a prude 20 is ridiculous but 80+ also ridiculous.
Anyway fingers tired now must go.
Keep safe
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sadly as Jetmagic showed the "business community" in Cork aren't great at supporting their own once price becomes an issue.
RE is now prioritising places like LRT and IOM where competition from FR is less likely.
sadly as Jetmagic showed the "business community" in Cork aren't great at supporting their own once price becomes an issue.
RE is now prioritising places like LRT and IOM where competition from FR is less likely.
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Heard in Dublin today that new Ireland - US Bilateral agreed in principle in Washington this morning subject to EU Transport Ministers agreement after final EU-USA Bilateral talks from 14-16 Nov.
Cork and Knock are being permitted direct USA-CORK scheduled services on an open basis. Of course this does not mean there will be any Cork - USA flights. Just it helps!
Shannon stopover to stay to Oct 2008. Dublin & Shannon stops as per now.
Kerry has been cut out completely - not allowed scheduled or charter flights. So Kerry will be likely the only airport in the entire EU that will not be allowed have direct flights to USA after the Openskies is agreed. Fat boy at Kerry will not be pleased.
All of this subject to Transport Ministers agreeing SNN as a special case.
Cork and Knock are being permitted direct USA-CORK scheduled services on an open basis. Of course this does not mean there will be any Cork - USA flights. Just it helps!
Shannon stopover to stay to Oct 2008. Dublin & Shannon stops as per now.
Kerry has been cut out completely - not allowed scheduled or charter flights. So Kerry will be likely the only airport in the entire EU that will not be allowed have direct flights to USA after the Openskies is agreed. Fat boy at Kerry will not be pleased.
All of this subject to Transport Ministers agreeing SNN as a special case.
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Interesting.
I thought they might go for a compromise where for every landing in Dublin there would have to be one at another Irish airport.
It would have given Shannon some shelter at the same time as freeing things up a bit for Dublin.
On that description, Dublin is still getting shafted.
And surely, the transport ministers won't allow that Kerry clause.
I thought they might go for a compromise where for every landing in Dublin there would have to be one at another Irish airport.
It would have given Shannon some shelter at the same time as freeing things up a bit for Dublin.
On that description, Dublin is still getting shafted.
And surely, the transport ministers won't allow that Kerry clause.
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Hmmm I think AA or Delta may consider bos-cork and ny-cork respectively. What does "open-basis" actually mean? After 2008 cork or dublin will be able to over take shannon and have as many trans atlantic flights without that futile stop ever?
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Ryanair to go to 5 per day on ORK DUB, I feel sorry for Aer Arann but they did begin to lose passengers due to their diversion rate earlier this year.
They told the media that their crews were CAT2 rated but when push came to shove few if any of their pilots carried out any CAT 2 approaches during the year. Does anyone know the reason for this contradiction. Is it due to the fact that they have such a large variety of ATR aircarft?
This a receipe for frequent diversions when Cork gets clamped in with low cloud.
Neidin, does this mean that Cork could start negotiating with a US carrier for 2006 or 2007, once an open skies agreement is signed.
I heard that EI were looking at ORK JFK and even carried out detailed studies of the runway etc. Interesting times ahead.
They told the media that their crews were CAT2 rated but when push came to shove few if any of their pilots carried out any CAT 2 approaches during the year. Does anyone know the reason for this contradiction. Is it due to the fact that they have such a large variety of ATR aircarft?
This a receipe for frequent diversions when Cork gets clamped in with low cloud.
Neidin, does this mean that Cork could start negotiating with a US carrier for 2006 or 2007, once an open skies agreement is signed.
I heard that EI were looking at ORK JFK and even carried out detailed studies of the runway etc. Interesting times ahead.
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Does anyone know the reason for this contradiction. Is it due to the fact that they have such a large variety of ATR aircarft?
ATR 42 + 72. Cockpits and procedures identical bar a tiny few extras on the 72. Wouldn't strike me as a large variety. I will however accept that maybe i am somehow misunderstanding your point
ATR 42 + 72. Cockpits and procedures identical bar a tiny few extras on the 72. Wouldn't strike me as a large variety. I will however accept that maybe i am somehow misunderstanding your point
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if im not mistaken, i think i heard an arann inbound to DUB anouncing to Dub tower on approach last thurs night ''this is a practice CAT 2 and we dont require signal protection'' im 95% certain it was an arann!