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If by the enemy you mean SNN (and let's not get into that) it's more like 120mins and post Limerick tunnel will be probably 100mins. The Croom bypass etc makes a huge difference, and bypassing Charleville and Buttevant will help, especially the former.
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Cork to Jersey
With Aer Lingus summer success operating to Jersey in 2005 would they be thinking of operating to Cork and return on some of the days.
We understand 2006 services would be operated by an Airbus, the schedule to Jersey was four times a week, they could fit a rotation in as the Tue and Thur flight were mid afternoon and the Sun flight arrived in the morning.
The flght time to Cork would be on 1hr15min or less so the rotation from Jersey could be done in 3hr30 before return to Dublin.
Many year ago the did operate to Jersey and onto Rennes in France on a number days of the weeks in the summer with the ever faithful Vickers Viscount aircraft and Fokker Friendship.come back all is forgiven.
We understand 2006 services would be operated by an Airbus, the schedule to Jersey was four times a week, they could fit a rotation in as the Tue and Thur flight were mid afternoon and the Sun flight arrived in the morning.
The flght time to Cork would be on 1hr15min or less so the rotation from Jersey could be done in 3hr30 before return to Dublin.
Many year ago the did operate to Jersey and onto Rennes in France on a number days of the weeks in the summer with the ever faithful Vickers Viscount aircraft and Fokker Friendship.come back all is forgiven.
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I think CAA have a lot to do if you give in nothing will ever be done. Keep the pressure on and it will work out. I know for a fact that cork airport could sustain a T/A flight no prob. During the summer thousands of J1'er from cork colleges go to Bos, NY, LA etc etc. There are also tourists and familes visting realities.Not to mention the US companies in the region, Apple, EMC, Analog Devices, MA Com etc etc I dont buy people saying there isnt a market. 120 mins drive is such an inconvenience, who wants to drive to shannon ?? I agree that cork needs to be marketed more, a lot more.Has the marketing position been filled at all?How much pressure do the board of cork airport put on the gov for T/A flights? Are they offering any incentives for a T/A service at all?
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Re Markheg post
My latest understanding is that the new tower will not be built, and that the old terminal would require a change in planning permission to operate for Ryanair (but I suspect that is a red herring).
Doubt that the structure down by TNT is in fact a "hanger". Suspect the photographer may be using a bit of license, as it's more likely to be additional floorspace for TNT, DHL or one of the forwarders. The proposed "cargo village" isn't likely to be delivered for a few years and the cargo operators need space now!
Finally, it would seem that the Cork Airport Great Southern Hotel is one of only 3 or 4 in the GSH Group that are actually profitable, so they must be doing a brisk enough trade...
My latest understanding is that the new tower will not be built, and that the old terminal would require a change in planning permission to operate for Ryanair (but I suspect that is a red herring).
Doubt that the structure down by TNT is in fact a "hanger". Suspect the photographer may be using a bit of license, as it's more likely to be additional floorspace for TNT, DHL or one of the forwarders. The proposed "cargo village" isn't likely to be delivered for a few years and the cargo operators need space now!
Finally, it would seem that the Cork Airport Great Southern Hotel is one of only 3 or 4 in the GSH Group that are actually profitable, so they must be doing a brisk enough trade...
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The space being worked on by the TNT building will in time be a hangar and it is for our pals at EMC. At present they have two Hawkers 800s based at Cork and there was a rumor during the summer the '125s were to be upgraded to Challenger aircraft.
Enemy, business rival or whatever you are having yourself do not kid yourself for a second for that is what it is. The investment in airport infrastructure in the midwest and the surrounding area with roads etc for the last 30 years has been top class whilst at the same time what has Cork Airport received in similar terms?
Next to nothing! A begrudging and inadequate 1000 feet runway extension, a bit of ramp here, a taxiway there and as for hoping for the best in navaids at the most weather sensitive airport in the country - Cork can dream on! And we all have had stories about the Magic Roundabout! What a joy that has been on the way up to Cork Airport!
A certain kind of mindset has seen Cork as hardly being an airport at all for decades. The crumbs from the table, if you like. Ryan2000 speaks of lack of investment, neglect and apathy. Sit tight and dare you not rock the boat, so to speak! The pensions are safe and don't worry too much about the passengers! Experts tell us we cant do this and we cant do that! The rubbish that has had to be endured is appalling.
Mind you, a lot of Cork people and many Cork politicians have been pretty dumb as well. They have bought into the diversions thing about fog etc rather than knowing about good navaids and the funny bit about 'Can you give us a drive up next week to snn for my shopping flight to New York?' And just to rub the salt in deeper 'Can you come up at 6.30 am after the return flight for the spin back home to Cork!'
In the past there has been much discussion about Aer Arann flying operations but the conduct of bmi baby flying operations to Cork Airport must now also be considered. Why are there no CATII approaches being made to Cork Airport in low visibility by this British airline? Britain, the home of the sacred Civil Aviation Authority and all that ol' guff! This has been going on for a number of years now and it is plain dumb to go on blaming cranes etc forever? Thousands of passengers have been diverted over this issue and it must have cost a lot of pounds sterling to the bmi baby company? Or is that they have too been suckered into the 'T'will do' attitude? A mutation of a Cork disease?
All in all even my pet dog, Sam, could do better! It would not be hard!?
Enemy, business rival or whatever you are having yourself do not kid yourself for a second for that is what it is. The investment in airport infrastructure in the midwest and the surrounding area with roads etc for the last 30 years has been top class whilst at the same time what has Cork Airport received in similar terms?
Next to nothing! A begrudging and inadequate 1000 feet runway extension, a bit of ramp here, a taxiway there and as for hoping for the best in navaids at the most weather sensitive airport in the country - Cork can dream on! And we all have had stories about the Magic Roundabout! What a joy that has been on the way up to Cork Airport!
A certain kind of mindset has seen Cork as hardly being an airport at all for decades. The crumbs from the table, if you like. Ryan2000 speaks of lack of investment, neglect and apathy. Sit tight and dare you not rock the boat, so to speak! The pensions are safe and don't worry too much about the passengers! Experts tell us we cant do this and we cant do that! The rubbish that has had to be endured is appalling.
Mind you, a lot of Cork people and many Cork politicians have been pretty dumb as well. They have bought into the diversions thing about fog etc rather than knowing about good navaids and the funny bit about 'Can you give us a drive up next week to snn for my shopping flight to New York?' And just to rub the salt in deeper 'Can you come up at 6.30 am after the return flight for the spin back home to Cork!'
In the past there has been much discussion about Aer Arann flying operations but the conduct of bmi baby flying operations to Cork Airport must now also be considered. Why are there no CATII approaches being made to Cork Airport in low visibility by this British airline? Britain, the home of the sacred Civil Aviation Authority and all that ol' guff! This has been going on for a number of years now and it is plain dumb to go on blaming cranes etc forever? Thousands of passengers have been diverted over this issue and it must have cost a lot of pounds sterling to the bmi baby company? Or is that they have too been suckered into the 'T'will do' attitude? A mutation of a Cork disease?
All in all even my pet dog, Sam, could do better! It would not be hard!?
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TTT, Cork has the South Ring (albeit with magic roundabout), the N22, the N20, the N25, the Jack Lynch tunnel and the various N8 bypasses at Glanmire, Watergrasshill etc. It's damn sight better than when I were a lad.
As for the navaids it's true Cat III would be nice but what the hell can they do? The airport's on a hill! What do you think the suburbanites are going to say when they see the works required to make it work - crikey ESB couldn't even build a transmission line across the harbour!
As for the navaids it's true Cat III would be nice but what the hell can they do? The airport's on a hill! What do you think the suburbanites are going to say when they see the works required to make it work - crikey ESB couldn't even build a transmission line across the harbour!
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Tell me about that 6.30 arrival into snn. I am sitting here now and I am dreading that 6.30 arrival on x-mass even. Its so crap that i can't land in cork along with hundreds more. I think if there is enough noise made something will be done its inevitable.
I thought CAT II was in full operation ?? What would have to be done in order to make the airport CAT III. Could they not engineer something to put the equipment on something level and not give out incorrect alt readings? Could the runway be extended any length at all, how about 500ft on either side of the runway 35 and 17?
I thought CAT II was in full operation ?? What would have to be done in order to make the airport CAT III. Could they not engineer something to put the equipment on something level and not give out incorrect alt readings? Could the runway be extended any length at all, how about 500ft on either side of the runway 35 and 17?
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Re New Hangar
Thanks TTT, I'll happily stand corrected.
As it is a hangar, Mark_hegs original point stands, isn't it a somewhat shortsighted decision to build it there? Why not the far side of the airfield or down by Iona?
As a matter of curiosity, who's paying for it? EMC or CAA? If it's EMC, what rights do they gain re future use, the land and airside access?
As it is a hangar, Mark_hegs original point stands, isn't it a somewhat shortsighted decision to build it there? Why not the far side of the airfield or down by Iona?
As a matter of curiosity, who's paying for it? EMC or CAA? If it's EMC, what rights do they gain re future use, the land and airside access?
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dont hold your breath
have done the tour of the new building and am very sorry to report that it is a shambles. Not enough room for baggage containers, 2 of the new check in desks are situated behind pillars therefore not allowing room for passengers to queue. The ground space at check in is approx the same as the current building, passengers who require wheelchair assistance are in trouble aswell ie no room for wheelchairs and very limited if any access from the ramp, and remember this tour was given by the CAA ...... please remember that 5000 sq m was taken off original plan already !!!!!
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Is there the going to be 32 or 38 check in desks i cant remember the actual amount promised originally?? What about luggage belts there better be more than the 2 measley ones that are currently in the old terminal. Ye I was thinking that ramp space is going to be a disaster, did CAA take any Q&A's from any one ??
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not 100% how many desks were going in cause 2 desks are for cabin baggage only and therfore there is no baggage belt connected to those. In relation to the baggage containers only 4 containers at a time can be brought in under the current system 5 baggage cans can be brought to the incoming belt
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I herd that both EI and FR expansion is in the pipeline @ ORK, can any one con firm what this expansion might be, and prospective destinations?
By the way does any charter airline plan to base an aircaft at Cork for the summer season, or will eirJet be messing up everyones holiday plans again next year?
Finally have AirWales pulled the Plymoth flight?
Thanks,
Brian Dromey
By the way does any charter airline plan to base an aircaft at Cork for the summer season, or will eirJet be messing up everyones holiday plans again next year?
Finally have AirWales pulled the Plymoth flight?
Thanks,
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I see that CO has announced an additional DUB/SNN/EWR flight from next May. That means Shannon will have up to 5 flights a day leaving for the Big Apple each day. Surely a 3 per week service from Cork is viable if Shannon can support this level of service.
Is anybody in Cork listening? Would someone at least start negotiating with some of the airlines in question ?
Is anybody in Cork listening? Would someone at least start negotiating with some of the airlines in question ?
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Yes this is kind of disappointing for cork indeed. Does cork airport or is cork airport doing anything to market the airport to US carriers? This is one service that the airport can actually handle a good old 757, no runway length problems, no max take off weight restrictions etc etc. Forget charters too undependable. Cork definitely needs a scheduled carrier for the service to be successful. AA or CO with their 757 is just perfect. Could cork aiport not under cut snn with a better offers and incentives, it is a business right??
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ryan2000 - CO are not serving Shannon. They are serving Dublin. That just means serving Shannon too. I would suspect very few seats being released to SNN on the JFK-DUB-SNN-JFK reducing it to the stop/go EI did on the MCO-DUB route. Hopefully someone who knows will post loadings when it all kicks off.
mark_heg - I thought no Cork scheduled until 2008 under this US-Ireland deal? Certainly no mention of ORK or NOC here - since neidin mentioned them maybe he can post something (assuming he wasn't having us on for some KIR baiting):
http://www.transport.ie/viewitem.asp...g=ENG&loc=1853
mark_heg - I thought no Cork scheduled until 2008 under this US-Ireland deal? Certainly no mention of ORK or NOC here - since neidin mentioned them maybe he can post something (assuming he wasn't having us on for some KIR baiting):
http://www.transport.ie/viewitem.asp...g=ENG&loc=1853
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Reliable sources indicate that the bilateral contains a loophole which allows an Irish Airline to operate from any Irish Airport to the US.
The wording appeared on PPrune earlier this year. If 1 in 4 applies to SNN v Dublin then US airlines could in theory start services to ORK OR NOC once open skies comes into effect.
The main runway at Cork is just 7,000 and is sloping at both ends. Some years ago the EI 734'S required a technical stop enroute to LPA and TFS if 35 was active and they had a full load. In 2002 a 767 op direct to the Dominican Republic had to restrict the outbound load.
What odds that the runway lenght will become an issue if serious negotiations ever get underway.
RTE news stated this morning that agreement has been reached and that the talks have been concluded.
The wording appeared on PPrune earlier this year. If 1 in 4 applies to SNN v Dublin then US airlines could in theory start services to ORK OR NOC once open skies comes into effect.
The main runway at Cork is just 7,000 and is sloping at both ends. Some years ago the EI 734'S required a technical stop enroute to LPA and TFS if 35 was active and they had a full load. In 2002 a 767 op direct to the Dominican Republic had to restrict the outbound load.
What odds that the runway lenght will become an issue if serious negotiations ever get underway.
RTE news stated this morning that agreement has been reached and that the talks have been concluded.