DERRY/LONDONDERRY

[NorthernCounties]

BE is being rumoured to MAN on the Manchester Board

Thanks for the tip-off! Do you know the stage of negotiations or any time scale Ian? Would be great to have the route return!

Seems likely that this is what Alpha was on about allong with LGW!

Edit - Oh wait that might have been me!

[CARNMANORLAD]

Jamie2K9 how do you know its once weekly?

Ive been waitin all day with the good ol prepaid card ready to book an it didnt happen, dont understand why it was there this mornin and not now?

[Jamie2k9]

The only reaon I think it was removed is that there will be a press release in Derry tomorrow or something like that.

When Ryanair announce a new route it's normally not bookable until the next day. As it appeared for a short time today then it should be bookable tomorrow but you may have to wait until Thursday.

Cork, Shannon and Knock have only one weekly flight which will be year round at the monument. From what I have herd it will be once weekly year round from LDY.

ps - I wouldn't book on the day it is announced. Fares are generally high for the first few days.

[CARNMANORLAD]

I really hope it is year round and hope there is a press conference tomoro. Why do fares tend to be higher for a few days, is that why ALC seems quite dear at the minute?

I was wondering when seats are at "regular fare" does that generally mean that PAX numbers are quite high for that date?

[NorthernCounties]

I was just looking back earlier in this thread. It seemed Stewart had some insider info regarding Aer Arran last year... you wouldn't happen to have any insider info this time round or have you been silenced?

[Stewart28]

I have no insider info, only heard what you have been told about Flybe.

[Jamie2k9]

I really hope it is year round and hope there is a press conference tomoro. Why do fares tend to be higher for a few days, is that why ALC seems quite dear at the minute?

I was wondering when seats are at "regular fare" does that generally mean that PAX numbers are quite high for that date?

All airlines try to make as much money from people on sun routes as they know that passengers will pay the fares.

Aer Lingus and Ryanair will be the only carriers operating TFS from NI (other than tour operators) after Jet 2 drop it at the end of April. Could that be behind Ryanair starting it from LDY?

[CARNMANORLAD]

Does anyone have a reason for Jet2 dropout, could they not compete with EI?

I have a feeling this will be the last new route announcement from LDY by RYR for a while, cause realisticly what other route can a 737-800 sustain? We'll probably/hopefully see more rotations on existing routes, therefore i do believe the 2 additional routes are with a new carrier and smaller aircraft.

[Jamie2k9]

Does anyone have a reason for Jet2 dropout, could they not compete with EI?

Have no idea but a random check for return flights in March Aer Lingus are about £1 cheaper.

If BE start LDY - LGW I hope that Ryanair won't push them off the route be adding more STN flights.

[NorthernCounties]

Thanks Stewart, was worth a try anyway.

Regarding new routes from Ryanair, all I can see for the foreseeable future is an increase in rotations to STN and possible BHX. If all does go well with the Sun-routes this Summer, I think we'll see perhaps two new routes next December.

Let's just hope for the new operator/routes.

[CARNMANORLAD]

I think RYR are testing the double rotations on Mondays & Fridays to xheck demand and will go double daily later in the year. If BE were to come in im not sure LGW would be a good idea altho MAN & BRS would be!

[Amelia Earhart]

I have a feeling this will be the last new route announcement from LDY by RYR for a while, cause realisticly what other route can a 737-800 sustain?

That was the point of my earlier contribution: That Tenerfie is only the 10th busiest international route out of Northern Ireland and so its success would leave huge scope for future announcements. Malaga for example attracts roughly 3 times the passengers of Tenerife from Northern Ireland.

If Tenerfie works then so should Malaga, Paris, Palma, Barcelona, Eindhoven (Amsterdam), and Lanzarote. Look at the figures I gave on page 67 (#1334). Figures for 2010 will be out on March 12th and will bear this out. It is only a matter of time I feel (though not in time for this year) before there are further announcements to these places.

[gate 22]

If Tenerfie works then so should Malaga, Paris, Palma, Barcelona, Eindhoven (Amsterdam), and Lanzarote.

Using the same philosophy Prestwick 5 years ago should have been the busiest airport in Scotland as its figures for Stansted were the highest.

[CARNMANORLAD]

Paris & AGP yes but i dont see Eindhoven being sustainable from LDY. As for PMI id prefer Thomson to keep that route. RYR shouldnt push all package holiday companies out!

[NorthernCounties]

Paris & AGP yes but i dont see Eindhoven being sustainable from LDY.

Totally agree... problem is, Ryanair don't have a base in Paris so we'd need another small city in the UK or Europe that also has a base to operate this route by W layout. Eindhoven wouldn't be sustainable by Ryanair either. But BE could easily be successful direct to Amsterdam with an aircraft twice a week on Fridays and Mondays.

[CARNMANORLAD]

Yeah BE would be perfect id say they could even give Paris a go. RYR wont expand from LDY to european cities, the fact is their a/c are too big!

[Amelia Earhart]

Using the same philosophy Prestwick 5 years ago should have been the busiest airport in Scotland as its figures for Stansted were the highest

I don't follow your logic at all. The suggestion that Malaga etc could work from LDY is based on the passenger pool from Northern Ireland to these places and LDY's expected share of that were a route available. It's not based on LDY's figures.

For example, Tenerife had a passenger pool of 57K in 2009, Malaga had a pool of 166K. The logical conclusion all things being equal is that if the route with lower demand can be made work then a route with higher demand should work.

Eindhoven is a bit problematic. It is Ryanair's version of Amsterdam, about the same distance from Amsterdam as Belfast City airport is from Derry. Amsterdam could certainly work following the logic of the previous paragraph but whether Eindhoven would is a point for debate. Ryanair in their wisdom seem to think it an acceptable option for Amsterdam.

[CARNMANORLAD]

Does anyone know where to find FR's route network success stories. I was looking to know how successful the routes from LDY are? I know the DUB-STN is their best route

[Stewart28]

Hopefully will find out if Tenerife is starting from LDY, will let you's all know shortly.

[CARNMANORLAD]

Hopefully will find out if Tenerife is starting from LDY, will let you's all know shortly.

It had bloody well better be! They surely wouldn't go through all the negotiations that have been going on for months and upload it onto the system for a while yesterday then turn round and say oh by the way we're no longer doing that route?

RYR had it all uploaded yesterday including that it was starting on 19th April and fares started from £45.99 one way.