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Surprising to see flybe only offer this as a seasonal service as it is not really a seasonal route. They must be very wary of this one and might just be having a stab at it to see if there is any non-Ryanair market at all at LDY after the RE failure.
No sign of them offering any onward connections yet either - surely this would be vital in order for the route to survive beyond September, as that is the only real benefit flybe could offer over Ryanair - connection to a wider route network. Maybe that will be rolled out in the next few weeks.
No sign of them offering any onward connections yet either - surely this would be vital in order for the route to survive beyond September, as that is the only real benefit flybe could offer over Ryanair - connection to a wider route network. Maybe that will be rolled out in the next few weeks.
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The one big question of the BE announcement (apart from whether there is a second route to be announced) is what really happened to the Aer Arann Edinburgh and Manchester routes? Is it as simple as was stated, lack of demand, or was Aer Arann having other issues to do with its Aer Lingus tie-up etc or other difficulties of some sort.
The Northern Ireland passenger pool to both destinations would indicate that a flight to either would be successful from LDY notwithstanding the Aer Arann saga.
Loganair to everyone's surprise managed to maintain a Glasgow International route for quite some time after Ryanair's route to Prestwick, only leaving after lossing the Dublin PSO, and indeed counter-intuitively the Ryanair route suffered a passenger decrease after Loganair's departure, presumably because some passengers had been using both airlines to timetable their travel plans.
If Loganair were able to operate to Glasgow concurrently with Ryanair then surely Flybe can operate to Manchester and Edinburgh without feeling the Ryanair pinch from its Liverpool or Prestwick routes.
The Northern Ireland passenger pool to both destinations would indicate that a flight to either would be successful from LDY notwithstanding the Aer Arann saga.
Loganair to everyone's surprise managed to maintain a Glasgow International route for quite some time after Ryanair's route to Prestwick, only leaving after lossing the Dublin PSO, and indeed counter-intuitively the Ryanair route suffered a passenger decrease after Loganair's departure, presumably because some passengers had been using both airlines to timetable their travel plans.
If Loganair were able to operate to Glasgow concurrently with Ryanair then surely Flybe can operate to Manchester and Edinburgh without feeling the Ryanair pinch from its Liverpool or Prestwick routes.
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Would be excellent if they did, and to offer an AF codeshare. Reckon BE expansion will be steady and planned. See how MAN does, and this other rumoured route. Then maybe a few new destinations as they become more established.
I'm shocked BE hasn't tried Europe direct from BHD, CDG is via EXT and Rennes was summer only. Brussels, Germany, Scandinavia. Thinner routes that wouldn't suit EI or EZY, but perfect for a Dash, and codeshares!! Wonder will LDY get BE European scheduled before Belfast??? If it does I'd say it would be a couple of years off...
I'm shocked BE hasn't tried Europe direct from BHD, CDG is via EXT and Rennes was summer only. Brussels, Germany, Scandinavia. Thinner routes that wouldn't suit EI or EZY, but perfect for a Dash, and codeshares!! Wonder will LDY get BE European scheduled before Belfast??? If it does I'd say it would be a couple of years off...
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Ref the possibility of Flybe going direct to Europe, they did try a direct CDG service a couple of years ago (on the Dash 8) but could not compete with EZY from BFS
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Interestingly Flybe operate Knock-Edinburgh. If they can make it work from Knock . . . .
As to the possible 2nd route, they actually fly from more places from Edinburgh than Gatwick, the other possible destination that had been mentioned here.
And neither Newcastle nor Bristol feature that prominently on their route map - you'd be more likely to get a flight to Southhampton
As to the possible 2nd route, they actually fly from more places from Edinburgh than Gatwick, the other possible destination that had been mentioned here.
And neither Newcastle nor Bristol feature that prominently on their route map - you'd be more likely to get a flight to Southhampton
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The difference with Knock is that Edinburgh (which hasn't started yet) will be the only Scottish route from the airport, they do not have to compete with Ryanair at all on this route.
They are also offering connections to a number of other destinations including Paris CDG from Knock via Edinburgh, I'd have thought they'd do the same via Manchester from Derry and in doing so give the route a better chance to succeed.
They are also offering connections to a number of other destinations including Paris CDG from Knock via Edinburgh, I'd have thought they'd do the same via Manchester from Derry and in doing so give the route a better chance to succeed.
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I'm sure there is quite a few people from the north west who travel to BHD for the MAN route who will prefer to go from LDY providing it gets the proper publicity. Altho in turn this will have to effect BHD-MAN load factors?
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Ref the possibility of Flybe going direct to Europe, they did try a direct CDG service a couple of years ago (on the Dash 8) but could not compete with EZY from BFS
I feel that Flybe did ok considering. If this route had been launched earlier ie when Aer Lingus were not also providing an A320 capacity each day and I think Easyjet in response increased to 8 a week; Flybe might have had a sporting chance.
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With an AF codeshare, I'd say BE would have a fighting chance with a direct CDG, from either BHD or LDY now. Point to point business traffic, and for those looking onward connections.
BFS has the EI BA codeshare, other than that, folk from the NW need to travel to BHD for BD to offer onward connections. So the ability to offer long-haul one-stop from LDY could prove very successful.
BFS has the EI BA codeshare, other than that, folk from the NW need to travel to BHD for BD to offer onward connections. So the ability to offer long-haul one-stop from LDY could prove very successful.
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I hope BE does good without a codeshare at LDY but it would be great to see an option of connections. Im really looking forward to the official announcement this week with all the promotion!? *crosses fingers*
Well, when RYR get 78 seat aircraft into their fleet (like BE have, for instance), then who knows?
With the route/airline shenanigans at BFS and BHD recently, nothing surprises me anymore Eastern...........not even the fact I agree with you on this one!
With the route/airline shenanigans at BFS and BHD recently, nothing surprises me anymore Eastern...........not even the fact I agree with you on this one!
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BE should expant at LDY providin MAN is successful therefore giving the possibility of a Paris route! Last time i looked loads of folk used Paris as a weekend away etc so why wouldnt BE try it with a Dash? Umm people are so effing negative that i cant stand them lik please get over yourselfs!
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I wouldn't say people are being negative, try realistic, its easy to sit and say this route will work, and so will this one, but for an airline to actually start a route they need more than peoples imaginations.. trust me.. if the demand is there then yes more flights will appear... until then you just have to sit tight and wait
and i thought i used to drift into dream land quite a bit with possible flights...
and i thought i used to drift into dream land quite a bit with possible flights...
Carnmanorlad; unfortunately there is a fine line between negativity and realism.
I've been extolling the benefits of LDY for seven years. In that time people have been very negative. Have a read through this thread to see the number of (mostly BFS-loving) people who have stated the airport will shut/should shut/won't ever be viable.
I've argued my point of view that BFS is a dump (though as the terminal has improved, so the number of flights/pax has declined. Ironic), and BHD is as much as a two and a half hour drive at busy periods.
With that in mind, please try to remain calm, and realistic. There are many more viable and more likely to happen routes from LDY than Paris. If LDY did get a Paris route, then happy days. But LDY isn't going to shut if it doesn't get one.
Stay enthusiastic, tell people about the offer from LDY, and help the place grow as it has been doing now for several months,
Cheers!
Cuthere.
I've been extolling the benefits of LDY for seven years. In that time people have been very negative. Have a read through this thread to see the number of (mostly BFS-loving) people who have stated the airport will shut/should shut/won't ever be viable.
I've argued my point of view that BFS is a dump (though as the terminal has improved, so the number of flights/pax has declined. Ironic), and BHD is as much as a two and a half hour drive at busy periods.
With that in mind, please try to remain calm, and realistic. There are many more viable and more likely to happen routes from LDY than Paris. If LDY did get a Paris route, then happy days. But LDY isn't going to shut if it doesn't get one.
Stay enthusiastic, tell people about the offer from LDY, and help the place grow as it has been doing now for several months,
Cheers!
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Cuthere,
Even thought i only joined the forum this month ive been viewing it for years and ive seen all those negative comments.
I have been promoting the new routes with putting them on my facebook and by telling my parents who then pass it on plus ive booked my seats on the new TFS & MAN routes!
I just hate people being so negative when the place has grown so much and is becoming a definite viable option from the Belfast Airports
Even thought i only joined the forum this month ive been viewing it for years and ive seen all those negative comments.
I have been promoting the new routes with putting them on my facebook and by telling my parents who then pass it on plus ive booked my seats on the new TFS & MAN routes!
I just hate people being so negative when the place has grown so much and is becoming a definite viable option from the Belfast Airports