DERRY/LONDONDERRY

[owenc]

Jet2 don't do domestic flights.

[BHD2BFS]

Flybe have more aircraft arriving over the next few months so I'm sure 1 based aircraft wouldn't be too much of a stretch or they could use originating bases to fly to Derry
Flybe new management over the last year or so have a new attitude to routes that if they are not making money or not enough they will get dropped and dropped quickly (similar to FR) so if they think they can make more money on a certain route Ex LDY they will make aircraft available

[cuthere]

Scodaman. See post 3044

[buzz_hornet]

RU Talkback pretty much tore airport to shreds just there.

usual E/W split

[Amelia Earhart]

Originally Posted by owenc

Jet2 don't do domestic flights.

Neither do Ryanair, that is why they were such a strange fit at City of Derry. LDY needed domestic routes primarily and then international routes secondarily.

Unfortunately even if the domestic routes are picked up by another operator it is unlikely we will see international routes again for a long time.

But APD is a major issue and probably even more so for the low cost Ryanair model than other airlines. And by a strange quirk the APD on domestic routes is twice what it is on international routes, go figure.

So Ryanair were the wrong airline operating the wrong aircraft on the wrong routes.

120,000 pax p.a. is a substantial route and that it ran for 17 years despite awful timetabling is surely an endorsement of the demand for such a route because it cannot have been making a loss for all that time. Indeed I doubt it was making a loss at all. It is just Ryanair are concentrating on Aldergrove now.

[cuthere]

Amelia. EDI-STN. GLA-STN. BFS-LGW. Multiple rotations a day. Some would argue they are domestic.

[Amelia Earhart]

Originally Posted by cuthere

Amelia. EDI-STN. GLA-STN. BFS-LGW. Multiple rotations a day. Some would argue they are domestic.

My point exactly. Ryanair have 1800 routes and you've named 3 that are domestic.

Ergo Ryanair don't fly domestic routes.

[Sky Conductor]

Don't Ryanair fly domestic routes in Spain, Italy and Poland?

[Amelia Earhart]

Originally Posted by Sky Conductor

Don't Ryanair fly domestic routes in Spain, Italy and Poland?

Hey, you didn't include a link to the Ryanair route map!

Ryanair don't fly domestic routes. That literally doesn't mean that of their 1800 routes none are domestic since obviously most of the routes they flew from Derry were domestic, it just means that almost 100% of their routes are international since that is the market they specialise in.

Ryanair don't fly domestic routes. It's not a religious edict, it's just an observation.

[The96er]

Why do you keep stating that Ryanair don't fly domestic routes when clearly they do ?

[Amelia Earhart]

Originally Posted by The96er

Why do you keep stating that Ryanair don't fly domestic routes when clearly they do ?

It was never intended to be a literal statement since obviously the majority of their routes from LDY were domestic.

My point was that they were an odd fit for Derry airport because serving mostly domestic routes from an airport was unusual. Is there any other airport where about 90% of the Ryanair passengers are domestic? Possible if you have only one route but Derry had 6 4 of which were domestic. That was odd.

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[Amelia Earhart]

That looks alot and I'll concede that's more than I thought but it is actually 136 out of 1800 or about 7%.

So Ryanair are 93% international.

(Thanks for the stats: the exception that proves the rule.)

[AerRyan]

The main reason Ryanair is so international is because European countries are so small. An international flight within Europe is very similar to a domestic flight in the US, both immigrations and flight time wise (unless of course you're not from Europe or the US)

There's so many things that Derry can blaim, Ryanair not being a good domestic carrier is not one. Being honest its the same as ROI-UK which is international.

[01475]

There's definitely an opportunity here, and it might be very similar to the opportunities at Waterford. I wonder if someone could be tempted to try and take advantage of both.

[AerRyan]

Elaborate?

I can't see any opportunities for WAT, its an airport that cannot handle jet aircraft

[01475]

Services to London and maybe one or two other places that don't have to try and fill a 737?

[owenc]

The catchment area for Derry is far bigger than Waterford.

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by 01475

Services to London and maybe one or two other places that don't have to try and fill a 737?

LDY had no problem filling a 737, or even 2 737's a day.

[speedbirdATC]

Funding agreed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-37373871