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Cessna. Sounds like you've been visiting those pubs on your doorstep a little too often. An independent study found the airport contribute £15m to the local economy. There's a figure for you. Now, I'm still waiting for the cost of upgrading the motorway to link Derry and Belfast. No doubt I'll continue waiting.
Owenc. Every bump in the road in the States has an airport. Yet again, your expertise shines through.
Owenc. Every bump in the road in the States has an airport. Yet again, your expertise shines through.
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Derry is tiny. I doubt places in the US with a 100,000 population would have an airport.
Ireland is an Island, America is a great country, with many Americans actually never venturing outside the country, certainly not as much as Europeans (as you'd know with your great adventures).
Derry has a Metro of 237,000, the whole of County Mayo and Sligo have 195,000, yet Knock is doing very well.
Even look at Cork, Metro of 399,000, only 60% more than Derry, yet look at Cork. Absolutely booming compared to Derry. 4x daily to LHR, 3x daily to STN, 3x daily to MAN 2x daily to AMS, 2x daily to BHX, 10x daily weekly to CDG,,this summer it had 11x weekly to Malaga.
Derry next summer has 5x to GLA, 2x to LPL and 1x weekly to PMI.
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Cessna. Sounds like you've been visiting those pubs on your doorstep a little too often. An independent study found the airport contribute £15m to the local economy. There's a figure for you. Now, I'm still waiting for the cost of upgrading the motorway to link Derry and Belfast. No doubt I'll continue waiting.
Owenc. Every bump in the road in the States has an airport. Yet again, your expertise shines through.
Owenc. Every bump in the road in the States has an airport. Yet again, your expertise shines through.
The closest you will get to that would be Portland, Maine which has a population of 200,000 and is mostly serviced by regional jets not 737's.
It is also not too far from the Boston Metropolitan area which has a population of 5,000,000.
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Out of curiosity, have you ever seen a map?
Ireland is an Island, America is a great country, with many Americans actually never venturing outside the country, certainly not as much as Europeans (as you'd know with your great adventures).
Derry has a Metro of 237,000, the whole of County Mayo and Sligo have 195,000, yet Knock is doing very well.
Even look at Cork, Metro of 399,000, only 60% more than Derry, yet look at Cork. Absolutely booming compared to Derry. 4x daily to LHR, 3x daily to STN, 3x daily to MAN 2x daily to AMS, 2x daily to BHX, 10x daily weekly to CDG,,this summer it had 11x weekly to Malaga.
Derry next summer has 5x to GLA, 2x to LPL and 1x weekly to PMI.
Ireland is an Island, America is a great country, with many Americans actually never venturing outside the country, certainly not as much as Europeans (as you'd know with your great adventures).
Derry has a Metro of 237,000, the whole of County Mayo and Sligo have 195,000, yet Knock is doing very well.
Even look at Cork, Metro of 399,000, only 60% more than Derry, yet look at Cork. Absolutely booming compared to Derry. 4x daily to LHR, 3x daily to STN, 3x daily to MAN 2x daily to AMS, 2x daily to BHX, 10x daily weekly to CDG,,this summer it had 11x weekly to Malaga.
Derry next summer has 5x to GLA, 2x to LPL and 1x weekly to PMI.
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Why just use the Urban population? Do people outside Derry city itself not use the airport?
I explained my first point with all due courtesy, I don't think there is any due at this stage.
Thereon that's beside the point, I've no interest with arguing with you.
I would personally have good hopes for a return of a London, and possible other services.
I explained my first point with all due courtesy, I don't think there is any due at this stage.
Thereon that's beside the point, I've no interest with arguing with you.
I would personally have good hopes for a return of a London, and possible other services.
Portland, Maine? What about Bangor, Maine? No? You're talking rubbish I'm afraid (and for info, the plural of 737 does not require an apostrophe).
As for the population of Derry. If you'd scrolled a bit further down the Wikipedia page you would have found the figure of 105,066 at the 2011 census. Lazy.
As for the population of Derry. If you'd scrolled a bit further down the Wikipedia page you would have found the figure of 105,066 at the 2011 census. Lazy.
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I'm afraid my own experience in the region is only exacerbated by the comments here.
Lovely people on the face of it but a real nasty and unwelcoming underbelly that doesn't want you back - so one-way traffic - Despite my own Irish heritage and the fact my in laws are in the immediate catchment area the region is hardly welcoming to outsiders and therefore not really conducive to the airport and airline business. I generally put off trips to the region if the missus will let me away with it - even worse with the kids.
Lessons from the southern tourist scene need to be taken on board.
Lovely people on the face of it but a real nasty and unwelcoming underbelly that doesn't want you back - so one-way traffic - Despite my own Irish heritage and the fact my in laws are in the immediate catchment area the region is hardly welcoming to outsiders and therefore not really conducive to the airport and airline business. I generally put off trips to the region if the missus will let me away with it - even worse with the kids.
Lessons from the southern tourist scene need to be taken on board.
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Cut here I'm not an engineer, agreed the expense in building a motorway would be far greater than propping up an airport, however it's a permanent solution, what happens when stormont pull the plug on funding (like that's never happened before), no airport no road. All this talk about population is just gobbly gook, it's bums on seats that count and it's not adding up end off
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Cessna - I've already highlighted the hypocrisy of your comment on the BFS thread where you are salivating at the prospect of an Irish airline lining its pockets with "British" money. Good to see the Executive are spending £9m funding a profitable American airline with taxpayers' money too.
That £9m is still considerably more than the £7.5m mooted for CoDA.
Also, to answer the question you couldn't, dualling the A5 will cost in excess of £300m. Dualling the A6 will cost close to £1b. Spending £7.5m on Derry airport is peanuts in comparison.
That £9m is still considerably more than the £7.5m mooted for CoDA.
Also, to answer the question you couldn't, dualling the A5 will cost in excess of £300m. Dualling the A6 will cost close to £1b. Spending £7.5m on Derry airport is peanuts in comparison.
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So British taxpayers are funding Irish tourism.
Wouldn't blame then for heading West, All Names talks a lot of sense.
The funding package sounds good provided it gores to the right carrier and not an existing one!
Agreed EI. Unfortunately small-minded people will always be small-minded.
My preference would be for a model similar to the one NQY has. 3xdaily to LGW, plus daily flights to Manchester and Birmingham. Throw in a 5x weekly Bristol and I think we'd be getting towards a sustainable airport. MAN and BHX have worked in the past, with BRS having posted sufficient numbers when FR did it to support BE metal. If there is a subsidy to help this, or another airline to establish these routes then I think that's money well spent.
My preference would be for a model similar to the one NQY has. 3xdaily to LGW, plus daily flights to Manchester and Birmingham. Throw in a 5x weekly Bristol and I think we'd be getting towards a sustainable airport. MAN and BHX have worked in the past, with BRS having posted sufficient numbers when FR did it to support BE metal. If there is a subsidy to help this, or another airline to establish these routes then I think that's money well spent.
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Leaving the bickering and why's and wherefores aside, whether Ryanair's withdrawal of the Stansted route is good news or bad news only time will tell but the news that the NI Executive and UK Department of Transport are prepared to invest is good news although probably long over due.
Looking at the numbers there are numerous routes that could be run commercially and indeed have been in the past.
Ryanair have carried 120,000 pax on Stansted last year. At one stage it was nearly 150,000 with twice daily flights.
Ryanair had 35,000 on their Bristol route and 60,000 each on their Birmingham and East Midland routes.
British airways carried 40,000 pax on a Manchester route in the 1990s.
Loganair successfully ran the GLA route with only 12000 pax p.a. for two decades before Ryanair.
And all this without subsidies.
Unfortunately with Ryanair now only running 2 flights a week to Liverpool, it's not enough to provide a service but probably more than enough to put off another operator although in actual fact Loganair's Glasgow route increased passenger numbers after Ryanair commenced flights to Prestwick so it could be possible for two operators to fly this route.
Looking at the numbers there are numerous routes that could be run commercially and indeed have been in the past.
Ryanair have carried 120,000 pax on Stansted last year. At one stage it was nearly 150,000 with twice daily flights.
Ryanair had 35,000 on their Bristol route and 60,000 each on their Birmingham and East Midland routes.
British airways carried 40,000 pax on a Manchester route in the 1990s.
Loganair successfully ran the GLA route with only 12000 pax p.a. for two decades before Ryanair.
And all this without subsidies.
Unfortunately with Ryanair now only running 2 flights a week to Liverpool, it's not enough to provide a service but probably more than enough to put off another operator although in actual fact Loganair's Glasgow route increased passenger numbers after Ryanair commenced flights to Prestwick so it could be possible for two operators to fly this route.
Yip. There is proven demand for all the routes listed. Just not at 6.50am from an airport an hour outside of London, or twice a week to an airport 35 mins away. The proof of demand now needs an airline to take the subsidy (if indeed it is available), and get on with it.