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As far as am concerned no race or nation can claim to have the best aviators,i have flown both left and right seat with a lot of daft and smart captains and copilots,ironically out of all the most daft non of them where nigerians.That is not to say they dont exist.
Nigerian pilots have flown oboslete equipment,in harsh conditions with ceos who owe salarys months on end and collude with engineers to decieve into flying un airworthy equipment and we take to the skies and land in places in conditions that require a CAT3C.
This we did without FMCS,FMS,EGPWS GPS,AND UNCALIBRATED VORS.all on HDG SEL SO FOR ANY ONE TO QUESTION OUR COMPETENCY?
Its a miracle there was not a crash a day,or could this be down to our skills?
I dont blame that fool andrew for getting lost in clabar he is used to been radar vectored to his parking gate.But he shall learn the hard way,and eventually he shall come to respect us for who we are.
Nigerian pilots have flown oboslete equipment,in harsh conditions with ceos who owe salarys months on end and collude with engineers to decieve into flying un airworthy equipment and we take to the skies and land in places in conditions that require a CAT3C.
This we did without FMCS,FMS,EGPWS GPS,AND UNCALIBRATED VORS.all on HDG SEL SO FOR ANY ONE TO QUESTION OUR COMPETENCY?
Its a miracle there was not a crash a day,or could this be down to our skills?
I dont blame that fool andrew for getting lost in clabar he is used to been radar vectored to his parking gate.But he shall learn the hard way,and eventually he shall come to respect us for who we are.
I could not help but respond to this thread by 18L.
18l, Your comments above does not do you or Nigerian Aviation any good.
You make it easy for me to understand why you or your type will find it difficult to get a job as a pilot with Arik.
I very seriously challenge your competence and professionalism in heriocally operating unairworthy airplanes into places that require CAT3C??##~!!? even without any training and certification
You have not done yourself any favours and indeed you have just butressed Andrew's ascertions. You have made his observation very correct.
I am of the opinion that ARIK are best served with their choice of pilots. They really have their thinking caps on and more grease to their elbows. Maybe finally we will start to make some true professional pilots from those cadets in Zaria.
For too long Nigeria has been devoid of the necessary facilities to promote continual training for key skills ( and I don't mean just flying the ILS approach). With due respect, most of the pilots there are in the category of 'BUSH PILOTS' ( again, no disrespect) with a corrupted sense of reality ,as evidenced in this thread, all too willing to constantly take short cuts. There is such a sharp gradient in the flight deck and lip service is paid to CRM and SOPs, if there are any in the first place.
The expat pilots can command similar wage package overseas. I admire those people who have against all odds taken their. lives in their hands with this Nigerian deal. I am not in Nigeria and command more than that and feel very safe and my employers are happy to pay with no aggro' from any local.
if you have a problem with pay, negotiate and stop whingeing about what the expats get.
Lastly, 18L, don't let Andrew see your face for a while, he might forget about your stupid remarks.
BE IN CONTROL OF YOUR AIRCRAFT .only pray to God.
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18L,
If to say you know shebi you for just palm???
Uneasy,
Your points have been driven home, unfortunately at the same time, i think you are a bit economical with the truth.
The fact still remains that we were brought up in a POST NIGERIA AIRWAYS era where the so called 'TIN GODS' have and still control the sector.
They all came from their breast fed company with all the mouth on earth about how good they are and how their training was standard; that was the company where they had Pilots called 'Jehovah' and sorts in that line. The types that believed that a co-pilot was a 'gear-up,flaps-up and shut-up piece of equipment, nothing else.
Half of which became Captains because they kissed ass and just played the daily politics of the company. Competency was never looked at as a plus, and when the so called GIANT fell, they came over to General Aviation as the GODS who felt no-one else knew how to fly or knew what procedures were all about, it was the Zaria-Mafia as they called themselves.
They are the bosses everywhere, the same ones who made captain at 23 and now think our generation needs to be at least 45 to be commanders, Even on 12,500lb airplanes. They make the rules and unwritten, its 4000 hours to command because thats the way it was in WT!!!!!
The same lot that wrecked the nations carrier and the same lot now complaining about pay!!!
I know for a fact that their doubts were severely cleared by the assessments which GECAT conducted, which actually made them re-think for only a short while. It is my hope that we all learn from the past and present events riddling our country's aviation sector.
We all need to pull ourselves together to get this situation under control; we are in a spiral dive and this trend will continue till WE do something.
If to say you know shebi you for just palm???
Uneasy,
Your points have been driven home, unfortunately at the same time, i think you are a bit economical with the truth.
The fact still remains that we were brought up in a POST NIGERIA AIRWAYS era where the so called 'TIN GODS' have and still control the sector.
They all came from their breast fed company with all the mouth on earth about how good they are and how their training was standard; that was the company where they had Pilots called 'Jehovah' and sorts in that line. The types that believed that a co-pilot was a 'gear-up,flaps-up and shut-up piece of equipment, nothing else.
Half of which became Captains because they kissed ass and just played the daily politics of the company. Competency was never looked at as a plus, and when the so called GIANT fell, they came over to General Aviation as the GODS who felt no-one else knew how to fly or knew what procedures were all about, it was the Zaria-Mafia as they called themselves.
They are the bosses everywhere, the same ones who made captain at 23 and now think our generation needs to be at least 45 to be commanders, Even on 12,500lb airplanes. They make the rules and unwritten, its 4000 hours to command because thats the way it was in WT!!!!!
The same lot that wrecked the nations carrier and the same lot now complaining about pay!!!
I know for a fact that their doubts were severely cleared by the assessments which GECAT conducted, which actually made them re-think for only a short while. It is my hope that we all learn from the past and present events riddling our country's aviation sector.
We all need to pull ourselves together to get this situation under control; we are in a spiral dive and this trend will continue till WE do something.
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Welcome back to the fray, Mr BIGGIE.
As your name suggests, you must be one of the types JTL just reffered to.So full of yourself.
I took time to view some of your earlier posts to profile you and it is clear that with comments like ' monkey dey work, baboon dey chop' , you do indeed have a perverted sense of reality.
It is a shame you did not even argue a point. i bet you probably go into your interviews for a job and say things like ' I am a captain' ... and expect that to get you the job.
You will soon know your place in the new scheme of things.... REJECT.
As your name suggests, you must be one of the types JTL just reffered to.So full of yourself.
I took time to view some of your earlier posts to profile you and it is clear that with comments like ' monkey dey work, baboon dey chop' , you do indeed have a perverted sense of reality.
It is a shame you did not even argue a point. i bet you probably go into your interviews for a job and say things like ' I am a captain' ... and expect that to get you the job.
You will soon know your place in the new scheme of things.... REJECT.
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washing dirty linen here?
Even as all our posts are somewhat "anonymous" because real names are not being used, i think that some consideration should be given to the fact that the forum is "open" to the world and the comments here go a long way to add to the already negetive impression the world has about the Nigerian aviation industry.
We should also bear in mind that prospective employers also look at these pages and come away with an impression that is added to negetively each day with the kind of posts here.
I will suggest, very humbly, to the Naija Crew to maintain some decorum here and slug it out amongst themselves when they have been able to rejuvenate their Pilots' Association.
Naija is not the only country, or African country for that matter, that has problems with its aviation BUT Naija is the only country whose aviation industry is featured prominently on these forums because the crew seem to enjoy bashing each other for the whole world to read about.
This attitude will not resolve anything but rather worsen the situation.
You need to get together and find solutions to your seemingly myriad of problems and show the whole world that you too can stand up and be counted.
I am an African and it pains me when we bash each other this way on the world stage and don't bring out solutions to the many problems that we list.
Enough is enough! Who else can or will do the job, if not yourselves? Think about this and get together to find solutions to your problems privately!
Thank you.
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Washing dirty Linen in Public....Re: Gen 3
Gen 3,
Thank you very much for your very thoughtful post. We African's have a bad habit of pointing fingers and blaming others for our problems, instead of finding solutions to those problems.
Enough is enough. It's our home and we should not expect others to solve our problems. If we don't, our children and their children will go through the same problems we are facing now. I believe, it's time to stand up and be counted. Like I said, its our home and we should all as pilots, first get the association back up and running, so that we have a forum to let the people know the problems facing the industry in Nigeria and africa as a whole. If not, God forbid, I or you or your family member could be next.
If it can happen to one pilot, it can also happen to me.
So, African pilot's, this is the time to make a change, especailly at times like these when there is an opportunity to make one, as bad as it may be.
Lets get together, form an association and speak as one to effect change now or lets shut up for good.
Thank you very much for your very thoughtful post. We African's have a bad habit of pointing fingers and blaming others for our problems, instead of finding solutions to those problems.
Enough is enough. It's our home and we should not expect others to solve our problems. If we don't, our children and their children will go through the same problems we are facing now. I believe, it's time to stand up and be counted. Like I said, its our home and we should all as pilots, first get the association back up and running, so that we have a forum to let the people know the problems facing the industry in Nigeria and africa as a whole. If not, God forbid, I or you or your family member could be next.
If it can happen to one pilot, it can also happen to me.
So, African pilot's, this is the time to make a change, especailly at times like these when there is an opportunity to make one, as bad as it may be.
Lets get together, form an association and speak as one to effect change now or lets shut up for good.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Dont advocate for private discussions or hiding from the rest of the world African problems.
Where else in the world would a minister of aviation blame a deceased pilot of causing a plane crash without even waiting to review the contents of the black box or for his own accident investigation bureau to thoroughly investigate the accident.
I want to know every aviation problem in the world so I can make informed decisions about whom I fly with and where it is safe to land.
Dont you care about operating crews,their families and dependents?
Dont you want the world to know who is responsible even if in your Nigerian context he/she is untouchable?
Dont you want us comming into your country to invest?
How could you make such a senseless statement with the whole world watching?
You have given me all the reasons why I must send subordinates,and not continue risking my life using service providers within the Nigerian Aviation Industry.
Dont advocate for private discussions or hiding from the rest of the world African problems.
Where else in the world would a minister of aviation blame a deceased pilot of causing a plane crash without even waiting to review the contents of the black box or for his own accident investigation bureau to thoroughly investigate the accident.
I want to know every aviation problem in the world so I can make informed decisions about whom I fly with and where it is safe to land.
Dont you care about operating crews,their families and dependents?
Dont you want the world to know who is responsible even if in your Nigerian context he/she is untouchable?
Dont you want us comming into your country to invest?
How could you make such a senseless statement with the whole world watching?
You have given me all the reasons why I must send subordinates,and not continue risking my life using service providers within the Nigerian Aviation Industry.
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Avsec i agree with you completely. If we keep shut they'll continue their rascally behaviour.
So far, it seems only LJT and a few others are actually willing to spell the truth as it is.
The world must know the types of people they are dealing with.
If it comes out negatively for those seeking employment outside? Well, i'm sure the interviewers can tell between the good, the bad and the ugly.
The things we say here do affect the impression the rest of the world has about us, but our reputation cant get any worse.
Like LJT said, we are spiralling and when we do hit the bottom, we'll have nowhere else to look but up.
Peace folks.
So far, it seems only LJT and a few others are actually willing to spell the truth as it is.
The world must know the types of people they are dealing with.
If it comes out negatively for those seeking employment outside? Well, i'm sure the interviewers can tell between the good, the bad and the ugly.
The things we say here do affect the impression the rest of the world has about us, but our reputation cant get any worse.
Like LJT said, we are spiralling and when we do hit the bottom, we'll have nowhere else to look but up.
Peace folks.
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Guys,
Nobody said to keep quiet. Pls do read comments carefully b4 u reply.
United we stand and a house divided against itself cannot win.
I said stand and be counted and do speak, but as one united voice.
When pilots speak as a group, then you have more of an impact.
BUT PLS, SHOUT, AND SHOUT FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOP WITH ONE LOUD VOICE. THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL YOU BE HEARD, AND WHEN YOU ARE HEARD, WILL THERE BE CHANGES, AND CHANGES FOR GOOD.
Nobody said to keep quiet. Pls do read comments carefully b4 u reply.
United we stand and a house divided against itself cannot win.
I said stand and be counted and do speak, but as one united voice.
When pilots speak as a group, then you have more of an impact.
BUT PLS, SHOUT, AND SHOUT FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOP WITH ONE LOUD VOICE. THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL YOU BE HEARD, AND WHEN YOU ARE HEARD, WILL THERE BE CHANGES, AND CHANGES FOR GOOD.
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Ak,
I am flattered that you think i make sense. As a team, we can do anything.
Thats the attitude i crave. Please encourage others to speak up and lets stop the madness in our beloved country.
Check your PMs mate.
I am flattered that you think i make sense. As a team, we can do anything.
Thats the attitude i crave. Please encourage others to speak up and lets stop the madness in our beloved country.
Check your PMs mate.
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So how has Arik Air fared lately? Has it been popular, load factors, punctuality, possible hitches, etc.?
Also what are the passenger services like? There has been a lot of hype concerning the modern-nature of its fleet but almost no mention about other passenger incentives such as cabin/ground services, catering, frequent flyer programs, etc.
Also what are the passenger services like? There has been a lot of hype concerning the modern-nature of its fleet but almost no mention about other passenger incentives such as cabin/ground services, catering, frequent flyer programs, etc.
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Arik is doing ok, i guess things would get better as they go on, for pax figures, not that bad at all, i think they should start flying to other places like benin, calabar,etc, dont know what they are waiting for.
As for uneasy u will remain uneasy for the rest of ur life.
As for uneasy u will remain uneasy for the rest of ur life.
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Arik Air to Benin, Calabar & Enugu
Benin and Calabar will start November 6th, while Enugu will be added on November 13th.
I believe both Lagos-Abuja and Lagos-Kano flights are now operating.
I believe both Lagos-Abuja and Lagos-Kano flights are now operating.
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Heard a rumor that ARIK breached the agreement it signed with LH Technik.
The latter is packing up...
Given above the oldy 737-300s might be returned...
If above is true then the future for Arik is bleak, especially given that they can't compete on ABV route with CR9...too small an a/c.
The latter is packing up...
Given above the oldy 737-300s might be returned...
If above is true then the future for Arik is bleak, especially given that they can't compete on ABV route with CR9...too small an a/c.
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So much for the " "D" " check they allegedly received. The aircraft were parked for a considerable time in the States before their interior retrofit in the UK...
The people at VK are probably laughing their heads off now
With a little luck in HR they might just as well grab all of the Nigerian airline market now.
I heard VK's 737-300 5N-VNC got dammaged by a truck driver in Abuja. The driver didn't know where the breaks are. Total bill: $1 million. A/c off to Hamburg for repairs. Is it back, Revnetwork?
The people at VK are probably laughing their heads off now
With a little luck in HR they might just as well grab all of the Nigerian airline market now.
I heard VK's 737-300 5N-VNC got dammaged by a truck driver in Abuja. The driver didn't know where the breaks are. Total bill: $1 million. A/c off to Hamburg for repairs. Is it back, Revnetwork?