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whats with the strong rumour,making rounds that arik will fly into port harcourt naf base.
Have airlines not been banned from there by aunty kema? what microsoft has been severally accused of ie unfair trade practice been perputuated by orange tail then
first it was kema and richard......a serious love tango
now its professor boris and peter and johnson,oh what a gay relationship
i think i like kema and richard better
Have airlines not been banned from there by aunty kema? what microsoft has been severally accused of ie unfair trade practice been perputuated by orange tail then
first it was kema and richard......a serious love tango
now its professor boris and peter and johnson,oh what a gay relationship
i think i like kema and richard better
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Arik are using Imo Airport. Their very large NAF terminal (in which they plan to rent space/facilities to the other fixed wing operators already cleared to use NAF Base) is proceeding apace.
At the moment only Rivers State Government, NNPC and OBJ's jet are using NAF. They are waiting until the construction vehicles move to the side of the runway before landing though, so that's safe enough !!
That airspace is going to be crowded !!
NEO
At the moment only Rivers State Government, NNPC and OBJ's jet are using NAF. They are waiting until the construction vehicles move to the side of the runway before landing though, so that's safe enough !!
That airspace is going to be crowded !!
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Speaking of the NAF base, those guys at the tower really need to do more about the vehicles they allow to sit on the side of the runway when a/c's are landing. The strip resurfacing is coming along nicely, almost complete now, just a case of putting the runway markings and lighting. Any airline which gets the rights to fly into NAF base will do well because of the proximity to town and the closure of the civil. A word of caution though, there seems to be a heck of a lot of masts everywhere, but i suppose we can always learn from our helicopter brothers, they do it everyday.
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Arik still do not have a start date, whats up with that fokker fellow? are u guys ever going to start? rumour has it that maintance is not in place.......no parts yet, how on earth can u operate without parts.....hmmmm na wa o
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Well Sn, in response to your earlier post, i need to update you on a few things.
To start with, i have nothing against 'expats' working in Nigeria and neither do i have ANY qualms whatsoever with it.
Like i had said before, the fault is not stemmed from them but from US(NIGERIANS).
The only things that bother me are; borrowing the words of 18L, unfair trade practices and unequal benefits.
Largely, the disgruntled behaviour comes from certain facts that are quite apparent.
The expats are employed and taken to Nigeria which has adequately qualified pilots, paid thrice what the locals get to do the same jobs, work permits applied for and acquired, accommodation at the best hotels; which will NEVER be used or associated with the locals, adequate security,entertainment, dispensations given immediately for them to fly in Nigerian airspace, and most times, the 'expats' are less experienced than the locals.
How do you think the locals feel?
Hide it as you may, Nigeria is our country, and whatever is paid to the expats will eventually be known to all.
I live and work in the UK, but, not as a foreigner! My right to be called a citizen was bought by the sweat of my fore-fathers
On the other hand, for a Nigerian coming to the UK seeking employment, would first of all have to:
1. Sit for and pass all 14 ATP exams
2. Pass all required check rides
3. Marry a gullible citizen and hope the home office does not come across them after the expiry of their visiting visas and before the issue of a stay here.
4. Go through the same recruitment process as all locals here and get paid whatever obtains for that level and or airplane.
Having said this, I SAY AGAIN: I DO NOT BLAME THE 'EXPATS'!!!!
I blame Nigerians, like i had said before, it's all our fault and that of no-one else.
We have a self destructive nature and that has come out to bite us in the as*!
Nigeria is the one country i know that has 45 year old first officers with tonnes of hours on type, unbelieveable total time, and this is Not as a result of competency; just jealousy, malicious deciet and the older one's wanting to keep the younger ones down!!!!
Surprising, disgusting, unfortunate; but true!!!! Here's for the 'TIN GODS', your time WILL SOON be over!!!!
Please accept my apologies if you think this all is racially motivated; it certainly was NOT intended to be.
To start with, i have nothing against 'expats' working in Nigeria and neither do i have ANY qualms whatsoever with it.
Like i had said before, the fault is not stemmed from them but from US(NIGERIANS).
The only things that bother me are; borrowing the words of 18L, unfair trade practices and unequal benefits.
Largely, the disgruntled behaviour comes from certain facts that are quite apparent.
The expats are employed and taken to Nigeria which has adequately qualified pilots, paid thrice what the locals get to do the same jobs, work permits applied for and acquired, accommodation at the best hotels; which will NEVER be used or associated with the locals, adequate security,entertainment, dispensations given immediately for them to fly in Nigerian airspace, and most times, the 'expats' are less experienced than the locals.
How do you think the locals feel?
Hide it as you may, Nigeria is our country, and whatever is paid to the expats will eventually be known to all.
I live and work in the UK, but, not as a foreigner! My right to be called a citizen was bought by the sweat of my fore-fathers
On the other hand, for a Nigerian coming to the UK seeking employment, would first of all have to:
1. Sit for and pass all 14 ATP exams
2. Pass all required check rides
3. Marry a gullible citizen and hope the home office does not come across them after the expiry of their visiting visas and before the issue of a stay here.
4. Go through the same recruitment process as all locals here and get paid whatever obtains for that level and or airplane.
Having said this, I SAY AGAIN: I DO NOT BLAME THE 'EXPATS'!!!!
I blame Nigerians, like i had said before, it's all our fault and that of no-one else.
We have a self destructive nature and that has come out to bite us in the as*!
Nigeria is the one country i know that has 45 year old first officers with tonnes of hours on type, unbelieveable total time, and this is Not as a result of competency; just jealousy, malicious deciet and the older one's wanting to keep the younger ones down!!!!
Surprising, disgusting, unfortunate; but true!!!! Here's for the 'TIN GODS', your time WILL SOON be over!!!!
Please accept my apologies if you think this all is racially motivated; it certainly was NOT intended to be.
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LJT, well said!!!
I hear that a couple of oyimbo pilots from ARIK (Andrew to be precise) were at the sheraton over the weekend blabbing about how useless nigerian pilots are and how untrained we are.
News for you mate! You now live in our territory, things happen you know?
I'd be careful with my comments if i were you mate, jungle justices prevails in BLACK AFRICA; There's no judge or jury man, please take note.
FokkerFellow, i suggest you tame the tongues of those you have chosen to enter our country to put us down, easpecially Mr. Andrew(Capt), who we hear could not fly an ILS with cross bars engaged or not.
I also have news that they got lost in the Calabar area a couple of days ago too, NA de PEOPLE WEY WAN CARRY MY FAMILY BE DIS??????
Olowun ma je!!!!!
A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE OOOOOO!!!!!!
Andrew, we WILL BE WATCHING YOU!!!!!!
I hear that a couple of oyimbo pilots from ARIK (Andrew to be precise) were at the sheraton over the weekend blabbing about how useless nigerian pilots are and how untrained we are.
News for you mate! You now live in our territory, things happen you know?
I'd be careful with my comments if i were you mate, jungle justices prevails in BLACK AFRICA; There's no judge or jury man, please take note.
FokkerFellow, i suggest you tame the tongues of those you have chosen to enter our country to put us down, easpecially Mr. Andrew(Capt), who we hear could not fly an ILS with cross bars engaged or not.
I also have news that they got lost in the Calabar area a couple of days ago too, NA de PEOPLE WEY WAN CARRY MY FAMILY BE DIS??????
Olowun ma je!!!!!
A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE OOOOOO!!!!!!
Andrew, we WILL BE WATCHING YOU!!!!!!
Ak6181 that was hardly a helpful post!! I agree that many expats have a disgustingly patronising attitude to Nigerians, this was something that I loathed as well, and you arevery right that they quite often voice these patronising attitudes openly. However there is no excuse for resorting to lynch mob mentality.
LJT your point about Nigerian pilots being asked to sit all 14 ATP exams is surely a reflection on the past history of Nigerian aviation where it is said by people of all colour matches that a licence could be bought rather than earned. Plus the expats flying in Nigeria will already have sat these exams. Or maybe I have missd your point?? If so I apologise.
It is also true that many Nigerians have a deep rooted distrust of Nigerian pilots. I had many an interesting discussion with Nigerians who wanted the airlines to ensure as many ex pats as possible were employed as pilots and engineers!! Sad to say many Nigerians will fly BA, LH, VS, AF, KL out of Lagos because they cannot believe that their own airlines are up to the mark. It took a lot of nagging to get them to try VK to London, Jo;burg and Dubai. Even if they came back pleasantly surprised they would add the caveat 'it wont last'. I found it sad that I was more enthusiastic about Nigerian aviation than they were.
LJT your point about Nigerian pilots being asked to sit all 14 ATP exams is surely a reflection on the past history of Nigerian aviation where it is said by people of all colour matches that a licence could be bought rather than earned. Plus the expats flying in Nigeria will already have sat these exams. Or maybe I have missd your point?? If so I apologise.
It is also true that many Nigerians have a deep rooted distrust of Nigerian pilots. I had many an interesting discussion with Nigerians who wanted the airlines to ensure as many ex pats as possible were employed as pilots and engineers!! Sad to say many Nigerians will fly BA, LH, VS, AF, KL out of Lagos because they cannot believe that their own airlines are up to the mark. It took a lot of nagging to get them to try VK to London, Jo;burg and Dubai. Even if they came back pleasantly surprised they would add the caveat 'it wont last'. I found it sad that I was more enthusiastic about Nigerian aviation than they were.
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ak6181,
Your pathetic and threatening post does nothing to further our cause. If you were to post this on a website in Europe and you could be traced, you would (quite rightly) be arrested for threatening behaviour. I despair as to what readers of this forum in the world outside think when they read posts such as yours.
Your pathetic and threatening post does nothing to further our cause. If you were to post this on a website in Europe and you could be traced, you would (quite rightly) be arrested for threatening behaviour. I despair as to what readers of this forum in the world outside think when they read posts such as yours.
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guys take it easy.i think we are also having our own fair share.i am a Nigerian flying in the middle east and i have come across a bunch of Nigerian Pilots flying for carriers outside nigeria. And we are also expats too.
It is not the expats fault that you are being ripped off.it is the fault of the airline owners and the Nigerian System in place which do not have a patriotic sense of responsibility to ensure that we progress.
Unfortunately too, we are best in getting sentimental and lamenting and making noise.that is all we can do.LJT, AK, oban et al have made various posts complaining.that is all they can do and no more.Maybe the time has come for us to show the will. Maybe the time has come for you guys at home to down tools and see what comes out of it.Otherwise,pprune can never help us.
I remain loyal guys but thats the fact.
p.s
Mind you, Nigeria is one of the few places around where you can get a job as a Nigerian pilot easily with less than 500tt.
It is not the expats fault that you are being ripped off.it is the fault of the airline owners and the Nigerian System in place which do not have a patriotic sense of responsibility to ensure that we progress.
Unfortunately too, we are best in getting sentimental and lamenting and making noise.that is all we can do.LJT, AK, oban et al have made various posts complaining.that is all they can do and no more.Maybe the time has come for us to show the will. Maybe the time has come for you guys at home to down tools and see what comes out of it.Otherwise,pprune can never help us.
I remain loyal guys but thats the fact.
p.s
Mind you, Nigeria is one of the few places around where you can get a job as a Nigerian pilot easily with less than 500tt.
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Sn i do appreciate your honesty, AK, please take it easy, we're begining to take this all out of context here. I think we can still keep this conversation civilized.
I only said what i said for the benefit of our brothers to see what kind of disgrace they have exposed us all to.
Our complaints as quoted, have not taken us any closer to a conclusive end.
The answers rest with us nigerians; to get our acts together.
As said, we should do something and stop complaining. But as we all know, we're going to pull out our swords and stab each other to death.
SAD!!!
I only said what i said for the benefit of our brothers to see what kind of disgrace they have exposed us all to.
Our complaints as quoted, have not taken us any closer to a conclusive end.
The answers rest with us nigerians; to get our acts together.
As said, we should do something and stop complaining. But as we all know, we're going to pull out our swords and stab each other to death.
SAD!!!
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ABB, good thoughts, but, nothing is going to happen even if all nigerian pilots down tool. Arik will keep on flying, and the losers will be the local companies that employ the locals. Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.
One thing we all agree upon whether it is LJT or SN is that we are not held in high esteem.
Like sn rightly said, the local populace has no trust in the local pilots or engineers. IF they knew half of what those of us on this thread know, they will never fly any 5N registered aircraft.
That aside we need to check ourselves individually. We need to get an understanding of what it entails to be a "Professional". Wearing black pants and a white shirt with epaulettes does not confer professionalism on you. Let's stop making false position reports, let's stop arguing with ATC, If they make mistakes point it out and don't be a jackass. Let's stop brown nosing, it is disgusting at times to see pilots kissing butts of imcompetent simpletons.
Let's stop fighting each other over cabin crews, if we are pros then we should know that is sexual harassment.
These may seem easy, but guess what, people are watching us and are disappointed by our sometimes childish behaviour. When we deal with what is in our immediately control(ourselves), things will begin to fall in place.
Cheers
One thing we all agree upon whether it is LJT or SN is that we are not held in high esteem.
Like sn rightly said, the local populace has no trust in the local pilots or engineers. IF they knew half of what those of us on this thread know, they will never fly any 5N registered aircraft.
That aside we need to check ourselves individually. We need to get an understanding of what it entails to be a "Professional". Wearing black pants and a white shirt with epaulettes does not confer professionalism on you. Let's stop making false position reports, let's stop arguing with ATC, If they make mistakes point it out and don't be a jackass. Let's stop brown nosing, it is disgusting at times to see pilots kissing butts of imcompetent simpletons.
Let's stop fighting each other over cabin crews, if we are pros then we should know that is sexual harassment.
These may seem easy, but guess what, people are watching us and are disappointed by our sometimes childish behaviour. When we deal with what is in our immediately control(ourselves), things will begin to fall in place.
Cheers
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"pilots kissing butts of imcompetent simpletons", thats a good one bro. When are you coming down to join us again anyway ? I agree, we all have to come together and sort this nonsense out ourselves.
AK, dont worry about Andrew, we have very vocal nigerian pilots flying for Arik, they will sort him out (i surpose comments like that by this crazy dude can be passed on to the relevant authorities). Got to go and fly, maybe I might bump unto this Andrew dude in Calabar, if he doesn't get lost this time.
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AK, dont worry about Andrew, we have very vocal nigerian pilots flying for Arik, they will sort him out (i surpose comments like that by this crazy dude can be passed on to the relevant authorities). Got to go and fly, maybe I might bump unto this Andrew dude in Calabar, if he doesn't get lost this time.
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ak6181,
Your pathetic and threatening post does nothing to further our cause. If you were to post this on a website in Europe and you could be traced, you would (quite rightly) be arrested for threatening behaviour. I despair as to what readers of this forum in the world outside think when they read posts such as yours.
Your pathetic and threatening post does nothing to further our cause. If you were to post this on a website in Europe and you could be traced, you would (quite rightly) be arrested for threatening behaviour. I despair as to what readers of this forum in the world outside think when they read posts such as yours.
I am just saying what others are thinking and are not saying, reality is still something we must all live with, like it or not!
I careless about those comments, but, quite frankly i think these guys need to be aware of possibilities given the ground the stand.
'A chicken in a new compound, stands on one leg first', you can deduce the rest.
We have all worked in some other country asides ours and i dont remember the indegenes ever complaining that we spent our time in the 'BOOZER' putting them down.
Anyway, i wish them all the best though.
FYI: Being traced and arrested does not frighten me mate, i am only spelling out what others think, but lack the courage to say.
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Coming together...
Hello all,
I've read with interest the various posts on this thread and realise that even as each individual Nigerian pilot seems to have a lot to say, there doesn't seem to be a united front to tackle the issues as they come up.
Why don't you all consider forming a Nigerian Pilots' Association? There is an international body, International Federation of Airline Pilots' Associations, (IFALPA - www.ifalpa.org), that you could get affiliated to and they could assist in several ways with the various problems that you seem to have.
My humble suggestion. 
gen3
I've read with interest the various posts on this thread and realise that even as each individual Nigerian pilot seems to have a lot to say, there doesn't seem to be a united front to tackle the issues as they come up.
Why don't you all consider forming a Nigerian Pilots' Association? There is an international body, International Federation of Airline Pilots' Associations, (IFALPA - www.ifalpa.org), that you could get affiliated to and they could assist in several ways with the various problems that you seem to have.
My humble suggestion.
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This has been the most helpful post of all so far matey. You actually hit the nail on the head!
Much better than hearing some others talking about issues without solutions.
Thanks man, i WILL look into it!
Much better than hearing some others talking about issues without solutions.
Thanks man, i WILL look into it!
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As far as am concerned no race or nation can claim to have the best aviators,i have flown both left and right seat with a lot of daft and smart captains and copilots,ironically out of all the most daft non of them where nigerians.That is not to say they dont exist.
Nigerian pilots have flown oboslete equipment,in harsh conditions with ceos who owe salarys months on end and collude with engineers to decieve into flying un airworthy equipment and we take to the skies and land in places in conditions that require a CAT3C.
This we did without FMCS,FMS,EGPWS GPS,AND UNCALIBRATED VORS.all on HDG SEL SO FOR ANY ONE TO QUESTION OUR COMPETENCY?
Its a miracle there was not a crash a day,or could this be down to our skills?
I dont blame that fool andrew for getting lost in clabar he is used to been radar vectored to his parking gate.But he shall learn the hard way,and eventually he shall come to respect us for who we are.
Nigerian pilots have flown oboslete equipment,in harsh conditions with ceos who owe salarys months on end and collude with engineers to decieve into flying un airworthy equipment and we take to the skies and land in places in conditions that require a CAT3C.
This we did without FMCS,FMS,EGPWS GPS,AND UNCALIBRATED VORS.all on HDG SEL SO FOR ANY ONE TO QUESTION OUR COMPETENCY?
Its a miracle there was not a crash a day,or could this be down to our skills?
I dont blame that fool andrew for getting lost in clabar he is used to been radar vectored to his parking gate.But he shall learn the hard way,and eventually he shall come to respect us for who we are.
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For all the talk of Arik there is a lack of real knowladge of how and why it is here.
It has been born out of a desire by Mr Johnson to provide not just Nigerians but regional Africa with the same level of comfort and safety that the western world expects and demands.
Why should we have to put up with third world third rate service out of the greed of those who only care about the size of their bank account?
The team of expats helping to bring life to this airline are NOW all dedicated people who belive in this cause.
Comments about the goverment are less then helpful as well, that our goverment is willing to see a better future for all Nigerians is to be commended rather then belittled.
The NCAA has been trying very hard to make sure that they do their job as well and that Arik will be the new standard by which they will measure the other carriers.
Now that the NCAA is an autonamous body it is independent of ministereal whim anyway which is why the goverment passed the bill making it so.
For the sour grapes I see about the recruiting process just because someone fails does not make it unfair, look to your fellow pilots who have passed and know that for competent pilots there are many positions available in the cream of Africa's airlines.
Six pilots have passed their training in Canada to date with 4 more about to go and in London the pilots at GeCat have been commended by the training staff.
Don't listen to those who fail listen to the ones that know they are good enough to fly anywhere.
It has been born out of a desire by Mr Johnson to provide not just Nigerians but regional Africa with the same level of comfort and safety that the western world expects and demands.
Why should we have to put up with third world third rate service out of the greed of those who only care about the size of their bank account?
The team of expats helping to bring life to this airline are NOW all dedicated people who belive in this cause.
Comments about the goverment are less then helpful as well, that our goverment is willing to see a better future for all Nigerians is to be commended rather then belittled.
The NCAA has been trying very hard to make sure that they do their job as well and that Arik will be the new standard by which they will measure the other carriers.
Now that the NCAA is an autonamous body it is independent of ministereal whim anyway which is why the goverment passed the bill making it so.
For the sour grapes I see about the recruiting process just because someone fails does not make it unfair, look to your fellow pilots who have passed and know that for competent pilots there are many positions available in the cream of Africa's airlines.
Six pilots have passed their training in Canada to date with 4 more about to go and in London the pilots at GeCat have been commended by the training staff.
Don't listen to those who fail listen to the ones that know they are good enough to fly anywhere.
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RE:LONG JOHN THOMAS,FLYING TOUAREG AND SURELY NOT COMMENTS;
Wow,I dont check this site for a few days and see what happens.
Our organisation has substantial interests in West Africa,but the company mentioned is no match nor in the same category as ouselves,despite their performance against substandard competition.
I just meant that when you find a game played according to certain unfair rules,rather than complain devise a strategy to win and dominate that game,so you can be an influence that brings change in the rules that will be fairer to your interests or even be biased in favour of your interests.
Talk about being misunderstood huh?
Wow,I dont check this site for a few days and see what happens.
Our organisation has substantial interests in West Africa,but the company mentioned is no match nor in the same category as ouselves,despite their performance against substandard competition.
I just meant that when you find a game played according to certain unfair rules,rather than complain devise a strategy to win and dominate that game,so you can be an influence that brings change in the rules that will be fairer to your interests or even be biased in favour of your interests.
Talk about being misunderstood huh?
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I agree with you AVSEC, first thing we need to do is get rid of the older generation and their 1942 ideas!! This goes for the government and aviation sectors!!!!!!
They lord over the rest with old ideas claiming those ideas work!!! Look what they did to Nigeria Airways???!!!! Look what they're doing to our beloved country???!!!!!!
And they proudly come out to brag about what they have done!!!! Shame on you lot!!!!!
We shall be around to drink beers when your time ends!!!!
You know yourselves!!!!! 
They lord over the rest with old ideas claiming those ideas work!!! Look what they did to Nigeria Airways???!!!! Look what they're doing to our beloved country???!!!!!!
And they proudly come out to brag about what they have done!!!! Shame on you lot!!!!!We shall be around to drink beers when your time ends!!!!
You know yourselves!!!!!