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Old 11th Dec 2006, 13:23
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New Aircraft Syndrome

Guys,its really interesting to read stories harping on new aircraft everytime,old airplanes dont kill people,its the human factor that is responsible.The fact that you fly a new airplane does not make you accident proof if you do the wrong things.The psyche of my people has been so shifted recently by various stories that depict the fact that new airplanes dont crash.I hope pray that the Nigerian story remains that way.Safe flight guys PLANES DONT KILL PEOPLE ITS WHAT WE DO THAT DOES Cheers
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slimflo,
I think you are very naif. Maybe you work at arik, and if so, all I have to say is that it's the guys on the inside who are the last to know what is happening with their company. For me, I think I'll take Aero to Owerri and risk the road to Port Harcourt. I hope I am wrong, but arik is looking more like a typical African non-starter. The more the money, the greater the fall
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Originally Posted by dejidip
Guys,its really interesting to read stories harping on new aircraft everytime,old airplanes dont kill people,its the human factor that is responsible.The fact that you fly a new airplane does not make you accident proof if you do the wrong things.The psyche of my people has been so shifted recently by various stories that depict the fact that new airplanes dont crash.I hope pray that the Nigerian story remains that way.Safe flight guys PLANES DONT KILL PEOPLE ITS WHAT WE DO THAT DOES Cheers

Very true. It boils down to the fact that the first issue that crops up anytime there is an accident is that "the aircraft was 22 years old". A lot of people are yet to realise that the maintenance schedule is more important than the age of the aircraft. Obviously, the human factor in terms of safe flying is equally important.

That said,
We all love shiny new things, don't we?
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slimflo or what ever u call ur self, u said arik cant afford to pay jumb salaries right now, but u guys can afford to pay the oyinbos pilots 11tons a month, and keep them at eko hotel to eat and sign, and u guys have about 30 oyinbo pilots.
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Reality Check

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slimflo or what ever u call ur self, u said arik cant afford to pay jumb salaries right now, but u guys can afford to pay the oyinbos pilots 11tons a month, and keep them at eko hotel to eat and sign, and u guys have about 30 oyinbo pilots.

touch down don't mind the guy, he is either Arik's undercover PR guy, or this chap doesn't have clue and is a neighbour to "Alice in Wonderland."

My goodness 30 oyinbos, 11 grand a month, Eko hotel, food....men the numbers are spilling out of my calculator. Now the only thing that will make me lose it will be to learn that their rooms have great views. Someone please tell me that the view sucks so I can feel good about the sugar box I live in.

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Well I hope the managers of Arik are reading this thread, because some of you are obviuosly employees of that company and are very jealous of any person who can do better than you. As somebody who visit Nigeria for business often, I have to say it seems one of the unpleasant thing in the character of some Nigerians I have met. For someone like me who have to fly as passenger, it does not give me any confidence in your airline. You obviously have good, new aircrafts and dynamic management, but you are spoiling the reputation of your airline almost before she have taken off, with your petty jealousy and feuds between people who are supposed to be working in harmony to give us safe flights. This is the sort of attitude which lead to unsafe practise and worries people like myself when I am forced to fly with you
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Wonder Wonder

It beats my imagination to think that with all the hype, its still the same old story,cant even oyinbos get it right or are we just a cursed people,where nothing works, even if it seems so tight its either, dogs eating dogs,top management bad belle wahala,cabin against cabin violence you name it.Its really very sad to see and hear all this happening in an outfit that looks so imaginative and pleasing on paper but its definitely not the Nigerian syndrome at play now is it?It now oyinbo vs colomentality in action.Guys please clean up your acts....and dont disgrace and destroy yourselves we are all watching this coat of many colours............................
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Where is this thread going exactly?

It's really unfortunate to see it highjacked towards the bitterness/jealousy/violence HR swamp.

Anything positive to share? Anyone?
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ozonflyer,

Well said! As an African who has worked overseas and in Nigeria, I have mostly encountered kindness in the countries where I have worked with people of other races and backgrounds. There are always a few foolish individuals who are consumed by jealousy, often because their characters mean that they are unable to move around and do other things themselves. I know numerous Nigerians flying in the USA, Europe, India, Asia and the Middle East. I worked in the Middle East and lived in Canada and, sure I encountered some stupid, racist bigots. But I always figured that if their minds were that small, then they were the ones with the problem and I was much bigger than they were.

The (Nigerian) MD of CHC Africa, now based in South Africa, was based in the UK for many years and was the Ops manager for UK, Holland, Norway and Denmark, but most people who know him thoroughly liked and respected him for his ability and personality. I have Nigerian friends flying large jets in training jobs in Europe and they don't seem to encounter the vilification heaped on some ARIK pilots here. Please Arik pilots, learn to live and let live, learn something from the strangers who have come here temporarily and give them a chance to also learn from you of the courtesy, hospitality and customs in this country. Rather than leave them to go back to an empty hotel room, invite them out to socialise with you and see the true heart of Nigeria, not the one so often portrayed in the foreign press. Let them leave here with happy memories, wishing to come back and see friends they have made, and wanting to extend the same thing to you. It can happen, but both sides have to act as if they are on the same team, not opposing sides on the same football pitch.
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ozon,etienne t, NA UNA SABI

The issue at stake and most painful is that perhaps, someone looted taxpayers money to set up an airline,and still went ahead to discriminate against the same hardworking Nigerian taxpayers.That is if the EFCC investigations are correct.News reports indicate thet hotels bills for the upcoming PDP convention in Abuja were even paid by ARIK air.No wonder they dont have spares.It is apparent that ARIK might have been a channel to siphon our money instead of using the money to help the Niger dleta people.

I crave your indulgence if i am using the wrong forum to articulate some political arguments but since an airline is involved, i say no wonder ARIK was busy spraying alot of bucks around.

Please read this story:
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''The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) has said it is investigating Rivers State governor and presidential aspirant of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Dr. Peter Odili over misuse of public funds to the tune N100billion.
Other allegations, against Odili, according to the EFCC are: money laundering, foreign exchange malpractice, stealing, conspiracy and abuse of office.
A dependable source in the EFCC told Daily Trust yesterday that the EFCC acted on a petition and carried out its investigation.
The EFCC source said that, ‘ Dr. Peter Odili is using Mr. Johnson Arumemi-Akhide and his Rockson Engineering Company as a front to loot the treasury of Rivers State Government. Investigation is still on-going and more revelations on how the treasury was looted are expected.
But the Rivers state government debunked reports that Governor Peter Odili was being probed by the EFCC, saying it is the handiwork of the governor’s enemies.
Commissioner for Information in Rivers State, Mr. Magnus Abe, stated this yesterday in Port Harcourt, at a media briefing.
He debunked rumours of the existence of an EFCC report on the governor, describing it as baseless and lacking in substance.
He said the speculations were targeted and calculated at smearing the governor’s presidential ambition.
“It is only courts of competent jurisdiction that can make such a pronouncement”, the commissioner said.
However, our source in the EFCC said the anti-graft agency has conducted investigation at various hotels such as Transcorp Hilton, Le Meridien and Sheraton in Abuja which revealed that the Odili Campaign Organisation made bookings worth N130million and the money came directly from the accounts of Arik Air Ltd; and that the original money is linked directly to Mr. Arumemi-Akhide.
Our source revealed that the EFCC acted on a petition alleging that the governor and his cabal, including the engineering contractor diverted N24.6billion that was supposed to be used for gas turbines as part of the state’s independent power programme.
The petition also alleged that the governor diverted N4,351,555,000.00 meant for Local Government Councils.
According to the petition, the governor diverted N176million ecological fund meant for the state.
The governor together with the Accountant of the Government House, Mr. Goodlife Ben, and one Mr. Vernom diverted another N34million, our source said.
The source further said that the governor voted and procured two jets and one hundred vehicles committed to presidential campaign, as he did not raise any fund from the public for the campaign.
The source said EFCC’s investigation of the allegations contained in the petition revealed that Mr. Arumemi-Akhide, who is said to have a long standing relations with the Governor Odili, is a major contractor of the Rivers state government, and chairman of several companies.
That prior to year 2000, the Mr. Arumemi-Akhide was a shareholder of, and Executive Director, Negris Engineering Nigeria Ltd before forming his own Rockson Engineering Nigeria Ltd in 2000.
Mr. Arumemi-Akhide is said to have used one of his companies Ojemmai Investment Ltd to acquire a property at No 67 Trans Amadi Industrial layout belonging to UTC Nigeria Plc for the private hospital called Pamo clinics and Hospitals Ltd belonging to Dr Peter Odili.
Our source also said that the EFCC investigation revealed that funds were diverted to the tune of N12.1billion for the Rivers state Government Account to Rockson Engineering Limited.It was said to have been transferred in instalment between March 2005 to November 2006 from Bank Account No. 67102000 with Union Bank Plc.
Other diversions that were made, according to the EFCC finding include: N2.54 billion; N818 million; and the N1.1 billion were diverted through a bank for the purchase of various vehicles between 2005 and 2006.
The EFCC has also established that Rockson Engineering Nigeria Ltd transferred over $120 million through a lawyer in the UK to a various banks accounts overseas.
The EFCC reports, according to our source also established that Mr. Arumemi-Akhide is the owner of Arik Air Limited, and that he used monies received by the Rivers state government to acquire all the assets and aircrafts of the company estimated to be worth over N25billion "

http://www.dailytrust.com/news.htm



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ozon,etienne t, NA UNA SABI

The issue at stake and most painful is that perhaps, someone looted taxpayers money to set up an airline,and still went ahead to discriminate against the same hardworking Nigerian taxpayers.That is if the EFCC investigations are correct.News reports indicate thet hotels bills for the upcoming PDP convention in Abuja were even paid by ARIK air.No wonder they dont have spares.It is apparent that ARIK might have been a channel to siphon our money instead of using the money to help the Niger dleta people.

I crave your indulgence if i am using the wrong forum to articulate some political arguments but since an airline is involved, i say no wonder ARIK was busy spraying alot of bucks around.

Please read this story:
ail
''The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) has said it is investigating Rivers State governor and presidential aspirant of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Dr. Peter Odili over misuse of public funds to the tune N100billion.
Other allegations, against Odili, according to the EFCC are: money laundering, foreign exchange malpractice, stealing, conspiracy and abuse of office.
A dependable source in the EFCC told Daily Trust yesterday that the EFCC acted on a petition and carried out its investigation.
The EFCC source said that, ‘ Dr. Peter Odili is using Mr. Johnson Arumemi-Akhide and his Rockson Engineering Company as a front to loot the treasury of Rivers State Government. Investigation is still on-going and more revelations on how the treasury was looted are expected.
But the Rivers state government debunked reports that Governor Peter Odili was being probed by the EFCC, saying it is the handiwork of the governor’s enemies.
Commissioner for Information in Rivers State, Mr. Magnus Abe, stated this yesterday in Port Harcourt, at a media briefing.
He debunked rumours of the existence of an EFCC report on the governor, describing it as baseless and lacking in substance.
He said the speculations were targeted and calculated at smearing the governor’s presidential ambition.
“It is only courts of competent jurisdiction that can make such a pronouncement”, the commissioner said.
However, our source in the EFCC said the anti-graft agency has conducted investigation at various hotels such as Transcorp Hilton, Le Meridien and Sheraton in Abuja which revealed that the Odili Campaign Organisation made bookings worth N130million and the money came directly from the accounts of Arik Air Ltd; and that the original money is linked directly to Mr. Arumemi-Akhide.
Our source revealed that the EFCC acted on a petition alleging that the governor and his cabal, including the engineering contractor diverted N24.6billion that was supposed to be used for gas turbines as part of the state’s independent power programme.
The petition also alleged that the governor diverted N4,351,555,000.00 meant for Local Government Councils.
According to the petition, the governor diverted N176million ecological fund meant for the state.
The governor together with the Accountant of the Government House, Mr. Goodlife Ben, and one Mr. Vernom diverted another N34million, our source said.
The source further said that the governor voted and procured two jets and one hundred vehicles committed to presidential campaign, as he did not raise any fund from the public for the campaign.
The source said EFCC’s investigation of the allegations contained in the petition revealed that Mr. Arumemi-Akhide, who is said to have a long standing relations with the Governor Odili, is a major contractor of the Rivers state government, and chairman of several companies.
That prior to year 2000, the Mr. Arumemi-Akhide was a shareholder of, and Executive Director, Negris Engineering Nigeria Ltd before forming his own Rockson Engineering Nigeria Ltd in 2000.
Mr. Arumemi-Akhide is said to have used one of his companies Ojemmai Investment Ltd to acquire a property at No 67 Trans Amadi Industrial layout belonging to UTC Nigeria Plc for the private hospital called Pamo clinics and Hospitals Ltd belonging to Dr Peter Odili.
Our source also said that the EFCC investigation revealed that funds were diverted to the tune of N12.1billion for the Rivers state Government Account to Rockson Engineering Limited.It was said to have been transferred in instalment between March 2005 to November 2006 from Bank Account No. 67102000 with Union Bank Plc.
Other diversions that were made, according to the EFCC finding include: N2.54 billion; N818 million; and the N1.1 billion were diverted through a bank for the purchase of various vehicles between 2005 and 2006.
The EFCC has also established that Rockson Engineering Nigeria Ltd transferred over $120 million through a lawyer in the UK to a various banks accounts overseas.
The EFCC reports, according to our source also established that Mr. Arumemi-Akhide is the owner of Arik Air Limited, and that he used monies received by the Rivers state government to acquire all the assets and aircrafts of the company estimated to be worth over N25billion "

http://www.dailytrust.com/news.htm


You all sound like a bungle of house wife’s with nothing else to do but gossiping…
…makes me sick…I’m off for good!
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komolafe007,

So all you can do is come here, make one post which merely wastes bandwidth reproducing a previous post in its entirety, make an inane comment in poor English and say you're off for good - sounds like a case of good riddance if that's all you have to contribute

We, in the meanwhile, will continue to read what's being written in the press and reported on the radio on a matter of some considerable importance to the Nigerian aviation industry, namely whether the new airline which has taken over the old NAA buildings, bought new aircraft and been given routes which some established airlines here could only dream of, has done so honestly and fairly or not.
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I think that constructive criticism will help Arik Air.
Their chairman is a contractor for Rivers State government and is obviously close to the state governor,as well as carrying out contracts for NDDC.
I am not suprised he has been interviewed by the EFCC at a time that a lot of Rivers state commissioners are being interviewed.As a government contractor,it comes with the territory and should not be judged out of context.

The key questions are;
1.Is Arik Air providing the type of aviation services we expected them to?
2.In light of spate of accidents in Nigerian Aviation,are they taking adequate precautions,and do their pax feel safe boarding their aircrafts?
3.Are their pilots experienced?
4.Is it unusual where an airline has a maintenance store,for some parts that are required to maintain an aircraft or aircrafts to be out of stock,or not at all to have been considered necessary to order?
5.Bearing in mind the set up of VK,and comments that followed re allocation of shares meant for the Nigerian public,as well as the setting up of IRS airlines and questions as to where its funds originated,is any of this at all new?
6.Are Lufthansa Thecnique competent engineers to provide engineering services for any airline?

I however am very glad that these questions are being asked by the EFCC,so that Nigerians and Africans as a whole can be sure as to what direction Nigerian aviation is headed.
Lets wait and see comrades.
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For all you CRJ Avionco Pilots who are now coming to terms with the reality of your "New/Revised Contract" at ARIK Air. Go to the Southeast Asia thread and see whats been said there about "Uncle Josh" and is Avionco bunch, and the love he has in India. No wonder all you folk that were supposed to go there ended up in Lagos.
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pls all this leads no where leave them,they have employed lots of people of the streets,which is so important,by the way how much are they ,offering for 737 capt and f/o,s since they seem to be spending lots of cash,may be we should consider joning the party while it lasts..........
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Fokker Fellow

As i hear it, Arik is begining to rob brand new airplanes of parts just to operate?
I also hear that by january, the airline won't have the funds to pay even the meagre salaries, they pay the locals since all the money so far has been spent on bringing in and housing the expats?
The guy who told me seems to believe the expats will eventually go home on canoes
No sarcasm, but, whats the truth?
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LJT,
Having read your posts on this forum, i have formed the opinion that you have nothing nice to say about expatriates and Arik.
I really don't need patronage, but if you don't have something constructive to say to either remedy your complaints or make things better, i'd think you should keep your narrow minded opinions to yourself!
You have gone on and on about how the expatriates are taking all the money from Arik, but as have been said, most of them are here for the start-up because they have experience of this new types, and once the Nigerian pilots have been trained, they will leave. I am quite sure that if the managers in Arik have enough business sense to have started an expensive new airline, this is one of the many start-costs they will have in their budget.
If you lack better things to do, look for a news-caster job mate!
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Hey LJT haven't you told me not to rise to AVSEC in the past? I can see a bad case of 'when in glass houses don't throw stones' on this thread.

So what is the real situation with Arik? Anyone on here actually know? If the rumours of wrong doing are real, is Boris the Shady implicated at all?
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Amazing innit?
The media keeps everyone with interests in West Africa informed.
The EFCC has a web site,and it makes for interesting reading,especially since like all big Nigerian organizations eg Globacom and Transcorp,it appears EFCC is carefully scrutinizing how funds are raised to set up mega companies like Arik Air.Good for them I say.
Speculation is rife,but I understand Arik is flying all their scheduled routes.

LTJ seems to have info I am not privy to.LTJ could you let us know your source so interested individuals can check out its veracity?

As I understand it,funds are from an international finance source which can be verified.Its great that Nigerians can depend on the EFCC,dont you think?
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I must have done something right in the past if SN and AVSEC can post on the same page without having a go at each other.
As for my learned friend, AG, i shall ignore you remarks as childish and say no more.
Well Sn, good to see you again mate!
Avsec, you too.
In response to my earlier, i was told those things by someone who is privvy to the day to day running of Arik, the part about the expats going home was meant to be a sarcastic joke; pity some did'nt see it that way.
It's true though that they have started robbing one airplane to fix the other, i also gathered that they have no spares, even things as small a tyres are robbed just to operate, the part about EFCC, i have no idea, as my source refused to comment on that aspect. That's the reason i asked FOKKERFELLOW to respond.
Cheers guys

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