BE-76 aka duchess not recognised by Indian DGCA anymore
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flylikeabe76: Thanks for the update on the New Piper Seneca. Hope that we can sort out the Seneca problem soon.
Re BE-76: I spoke to Capt Singh who is the operator for VT-EJR and he confirmed that the a/c has been grounder for the last 2.5 years due to a belly landing by one of its pilots. He said that it will take a minimum of 6 months before the aircraft can be back into action. However, all this depends on how quickly the Govt. of Bihar would release funds to repair this aircraft. I dont think the problem of the BE-76 can be solved anytime soon.
Re BE-76: I spoke to Capt Singh who is the operator for VT-EJR and he confirmed that the a/c has been grounder for the last 2.5 years due to a belly landing by one of its pilots. He said that it will take a minimum of 6 months before the aircraft can be back into action. However, all this depends on how quickly the Govt. of Bihar would release funds to repair this aircraft. I dont think the problem of the BE-76 can be solved anytime soon.
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i m in a big dilemma right now .... just came to knw abt the seneca 1 not been valid in india ! i m in states right now for my recency and dnt knw wat to do ? my school has a seneca 1 and a da -42 !!
so if the senca 1 is nt valid ...then can i do my recency on da -42 ?
will it be okk if i do it on a da-42 ?
so if the senca 1 is nt valid ...then can i do my recency on da -42 ?
will it be okk if i do it on a da-42 ?
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Aircrafts like BE 76, A320, B747..etc were also not mentioned in the previous list of DGCA approved aircrafts before march 2011. and yet license were being converted so far.
Yet we need to have a word with the DGCA officials.
Yet we need to have a word with the DGCA officials.
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@richa
No you can't do your recency in DA-42, if you done your training in different multi engine.
And a Seneca I from Canada, registered in INDIA 4 days back, but its status of C of A is yet to come online on DGCA website.
Wait for it.
If you want to do 10 hours add on in DA-42, you can do it at your own risk because at one hand they said to me, they will accept 10 hours from multi who is registered in INDIA and Its C of A is valid and other hand they said to my friend that you have to give technical exam as well for other multi in which your are doing 10 hours.
I recommend you please have word with DGCA first before doing any thing.
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Gagan
No you can't do your recency in DA-42, if you done your training in different multi engine.
And a Seneca I from Canada, registered in INDIA 4 days back, but its status of C of A is yet to come online on DGCA website.
Wait for it.
If you want to do 10 hours add on in DA-42, you can do it at your own risk because at one hand they said to me, they will accept 10 hours from multi who is registered in INDIA and Its C of A is valid and other hand they said to my friend that you have to give technical exam as well for other multi in which your are doing 10 hours.
I recommend you please have word with DGCA first before doing any thing.
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Gagan
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The international aviation community would be laughing at this ridiculous dgca rule.
WE need a collective effort to get rid of these useless rules instead of trying to raise $$$ to get a plane airworthy so that dgca can endorse it. This sounds so retarded only the babus at dgca can pull this of.
Concerned pilots should write to the DG to tell them to revise the CAR's making it more inline with the FAA system of having a CPL without any type specific endorsements upto 12,500lbs
WE need a collective effort to get rid of these useless rules instead of trying to raise $$$ to get a plane airworthy so that dgca can endorse it. This sounds so retarded only the babus at dgca can pull this of.
Concerned pilots should write to the DG to tell them to revise the CAR's making it more inline with the FAA system of having a CPL without any type specific endorsements upto 12,500lbs
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Rudy becomes full-fledged pilot - Yahoo! News
Guess we should also forward a concern to him, besides a parliamentarian being a pilot he should at least understand our problem and react fast.
Guess we should also forward a concern to him, besides a parliamentarian being a pilot he should at least understand our problem and react fast.
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archaic rules
I believe this rule where you have to do your training on a a/c reg'd and airworhty in india was framed at the time where people were to give checks in india once they came back with a foriegn cpl. havent bothered to change it i guess:P
p.s. pardon my spelling errors. (takes gettin used to the iphone
p.s. pardon my spelling errors. (takes gettin used to the iphone
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Ridiculous!
This whole deal is so ridiculous! I can't believe they are doing this. Considering the amount of time and money that's gone into our training (not to forget the hard work we all put in as students) this issue needs some serious attention. I have done my Multi training on a Piper Seneca PA-34-200 and put in my conversion application a couple of months back. Of course no response yet and this issue brings me great amount of worry. All the posts here are of great help, especially the 34-200 export from Canada. I am in Delhi and planning on going to DGCA, see whats up on Thursday. I know a lot of u guys have already tried that and nothing good came outta it, but I wanna see for myself, I guess. And Harsh, have u put in the letter yet? I'd also like to put my name in/sign it or something. This is no joke. What if we go do out recency or the whole thing all over again on one of the listed planes and by the time we get back, that plane in India had lost its C of A or R for some reason. DGCA is gonna throw out another list? WTH? This is an unbelievable scenario. Very sad!
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This is shocking news. How do we go about getting IR renewd now without waiting to see where the matter will lead.
In order to endorse on another ME acft, wont it require 10 hrs training on the ACFT + Day check / Night Check and the IR Check?
Or is it possible to do just the checks straightaway for endorsement since endorsement on another type is only 2hr overseas.
Please help if you have any further information regarding this.
In order to endorse on another ME acft, wont it require 10 hrs training on the ACFT + Day check / Night Check and the IR Check?
Or is it possible to do just the checks straightaway for endorsement since endorsement on another type is only 2hr overseas.
Please help if you have any further information regarding this.
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How about spreading a word in ministry of civil aviation? do you think will that be of any help. Also could you please clarify that weather the information(copy's) is passed on to bharath bhushan. and J S Rawat.
Because i don't think the decision on this issue is solely on the discretion of DGCA, and dought if they forward our concern to ministry of civil aviation in time.
How about spreading a word in ministry of civil aviation? do you think will that be of any help. Also could you please clarify that weather the information(copy's) is passed on to bharath bhushan. and J S Rawat.
Because i don't think the decision on this issue is solely on the discretion of DGCA, and dought if they forward our concern to ministry of civil aviation in time.
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What would you say to people who want to get the IR done now. Would you suggest they hold on for a month and wait for the change to come about or would they rather leave and get the IR done overseas on another ME type. ie,, get another type endorsement. And what would that entail.
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My letters were submitted to DGCA on Mr Bharat Bhushan's name. I hope the letters went to him.
if i do not get any reply within a month then i will write to ministry of personal and public grievances who will forward the query to ministry of civil aviation. I will attach the RTI with the query.
If someones knows anyone MoCA can PM me. We can pair up n talk to them.
if i do not get any reply within a month then i will write to ministry of personal and public grievances who will forward the query to ministry of civil aviation. I will attach the RTI with the query.
If someones knows anyone MoCA can PM me. We can pair up n talk to them.
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Updates
One more Seneca I (PA-34 200) registered on 06/01/2011 under Falcon Aviation Academy and it shows its C of A number also 6318.
And may be date is wrong, should be 1st of June.
VT-PTM
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Open this link and type seneca in Aircraft Type then search.
And may be date is wrong, should be 1st of June.
VT-PTM
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Open this link and type seneca in Aircraft Type then search.
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As per DGCA records, Duchess is still registered but the C of A has expired on 18/02/2008. This is of BE76 owned by Govt of Bihar, the only Duchess on record.
If the aircraft make/model itself is registered, but the Cert of Airworthiness of a particular aircraft has lapsed, doesnt it stand to reason that you can be issued licences based on tests carried our overseas on an acft which has a current and valid CoA in its country of operation. A lapsed CoA only means that that particular ACFT is not fit to fly. It does not prevent a CPL holder with BE76 endorsement to fly the aircraft in future when the CoA is renewed, or indeed if someone acquires another BE76 with a valid CoA.
Since candidates holding foreign licences for renewals/endorsements do not require to fly the BE76 in India, what is preventing DGCA from issuing the rating?
If the aircraft make/model itself is registered, but the Cert of Airworthiness of a particular aircraft has lapsed, doesnt it stand to reason that you can be issued licences based on tests carried our overseas on an acft which has a current and valid CoA in its country of operation. A lapsed CoA only means that that particular ACFT is not fit to fly. It does not prevent a CPL holder with BE76 endorsement to fly the aircraft in future when the CoA is renewed, or indeed if someone acquires another BE76 with a valid CoA.
Since candidates holding foreign licences for renewals/endorsements do not require to fly the BE76 in India, what is preventing DGCA from issuing the rating?
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avicon. please read the whole thread first and then comment. we know the what the records say and someone has brought this up earlier to contribute and get the duchess repaired.
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DGCA list of accepted aircraft include the piper seneca V. I know that the list is by no means exhaustive since a lot of the popular aircraft that are in service are left out of it (eg A320).
Can someone please let me know if Seneca I, II, II are also accepted by DGCA. Under search query generated by DGCA site for status of aircraft registration, VH-PTL and VH-PTM are Seneca but it is not mentioned what model they are.
I am seriously considering getting an endorsement on the seneca so as not to waste time while DGCA sort out this matter. My guess is that it will be at least 6 months before the matter is amicably resolved. Either that or Bihar governemnt decide to renew their CoA.
Can someone please let me know if Seneca I, II, II are also accepted by DGCA. Under search query generated by DGCA site for status of aircraft registration, VH-PTL and VH-PTM are Seneca but it is not mentioned what model they are.
I am seriously considering getting an endorsement on the seneca so as not to waste time while DGCA sort out this matter. My guess is that it will be at least 6 months before the matter is amicably resolved. Either that or Bihar governemnt decide to renew their CoA.