British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You wont get any facts from Dave3 - as stated above, he only popped-in to stir things up and get a reaction.
He's probably boasting about it on another forum right now.
Which is the saddest part - I think some see this as a bit of a game.
I have not yet seen one solitary argument to justify current actions.
Even speaking to pro-strike crew - I have received replies of "imposition" or "get rid of WW".
None seem to know what to say about where and how savings can be made or more importantly understand why - which is the crux of the matter.
Which makes me even madder when folk like Dave3 come on and try and stir about total irrelevances.
He's probably boasting about it on another forum right now.
Which is the saddest part - I think some see this as a bit of a game.
I have not yet seen one solitary argument to justify current actions.
Even speaking to pro-strike crew - I have received replies of "imposition" or "get rid of WW".
None seem to know what to say about where and how savings can be made or more importantly understand why - which is the crux of the matter.
Which makes me even madder when folk like Dave3 come on and try and stir about total irrelevances.
Join Date: May 2010
Location: hove
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Spanner in the works!!
Thanks for that I can assure you I didn't intend to put more scary thought's out there.
Whilst you say links to the current cabin crew situation: I am only trying to get all the facts and understand the current situation for myself! I understand that the unions have been at fault and if anything have let there member's down very badly in some ways, however I just don't believe ww is an angel!
Pornpants 1!!
Change is what we need and i'm certainly not disagreeing, however I really do fear for my furture and also pension and I understand at this sensitive time anyone who works whithin Ba also do!!!
Thanks for that I can assure you I didn't intend to put more scary thought's out there.
Whilst you say links to the current cabin crew situation: I am only trying to get all the facts and understand the current situation for myself! I understand that the unions have been at fault and if anything have let there member's down very badly in some ways, however I just don't believe ww is an angel!
Pornpants 1!!
Change is what we need and i'm certainly not disagreeing, however I really do fear for my furture and also pension and I understand at this sensitive time anyone who works whithin Ba also do!!!
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: southampton
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The only facts that dave needs are that most people lost money by volunteering, and unlike some parts of the company who only ever do things for extra payments the main reason that people volunteered was to protect BA from the kamikazi sabboteurs.
The only reason I volunteered is because BASSA dared me to and I had nothing better to do with my evenings and weekends
The only reason I volunteered is because BASSA dared me to and I had nothing better to do with my evenings and weekends
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: uk
Posts: 92
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
TrolleyTrolley
Hotel Mode is right. If you look at your payslip, you will see that the vast majority of your variable pay is meal allowances, these and DOA/NIAs will continue to be paid ON TOP OF the MTP.
The reason WW MTP figure is so much higher is that THEIR MTP includes box payments and ETP which make up a MUCH bigger proportion of their variable pay. Meal allowances on WW are a relatively small part.
The MTP was calculated by taking the grand total of all these non meal/DOA allowances paid to the crew community crew, by grade and fleet, in 08/09, (INCLUDING, incidently, off schedule ETP triggered by delays/disruption that year) and dividing it by the number of crew in that grade and fleet. Transparent - no diddling.
The reason that so many people don't understand it still, is I suspect, as usual the BASSA Ministy of Misinformation.
I really, really am getting very angry and frustrated to have to, even now, correct inaccurate information from my fellow crew.
Having said that, sorry to hear about your bin.
Hotel Mode is right. If you look at your payslip, you will see that the vast majority of your variable pay is meal allowances, these and DOA/NIAs will continue to be paid ON TOP OF the MTP.
The reason WW MTP figure is so much higher is that THEIR MTP includes box payments and ETP which make up a MUCH bigger proportion of their variable pay. Meal allowances on WW are a relatively small part.
The MTP was calculated by taking the grand total of all these non meal/DOA allowances paid to the crew community crew, by grade and fleet, in 08/09, (INCLUDING, incidently, off schedule ETP triggered by delays/disruption that year) and dividing it by the number of crew in that grade and fleet. Transparent - no diddling.
The reason that so many people don't understand it still, is I suspect, as usual the BASSA Ministy of Misinformation.
I really, really am getting very angry and frustrated to have to, even now, correct inaccurate information from my fellow crew.
Having said that, sorry to hear about your bin.
Join Date: May 2010
Location: hove
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi Beagle 9,
Thanks for that all makes sense now!
Sorry for you having to explain it again but yeah we do sometimes get bogged down and mislead sometimes!!!
Oh yeah and bin is well and truly dead!!!!
Thanks for that all makes sense now!
Sorry for you having to explain it again but yeah we do sometimes get bogged down and mislead sometimes!!!Oh yeah and bin is well and truly dead!!!!
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: WALES
Age: 54
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ditch Bassa Now - Heres How
IT IS EASY TO RESIGN FROM BASSA....
Log on to the bassa home page, click on 'contact us' and fill in all relevant details, send message saying "i wish to cancel my monthly subscriptions with immediate effect"
Once you have done this contact Pay and People services and tell them that you want to stop your union subscriptions, they will then tell you what you have to do...Guys it is as easy as that....
THE PCCC Have a new website.......
Please log on and join asap, we now, more than ever have to get rid of BASSA, they have caused us nothing but grief and hassle
LOGON TO www.mypccc.co.uk
Log on to the bassa home page, click on 'contact us' and fill in all relevant details, send message saying "i wish to cancel my monthly subscriptions with immediate effect"
Once you have done this contact Pay and People services and tell them that you want to stop your union subscriptions, they will then tell you what you have to do...Guys it is as easy as that....
THE PCCC Have a new website.......
Please log on and join asap, we now, more than ever have to get rid of BASSA, they have caused us nothing but grief and hassle
LOGON TO www.mypccc.co.uk
Join Date: May 2010
Location: out there somewhere
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
so the timetable is:
COURT OF APPEAL
CIVIL DIVISION
THE MASTER OF THE ROLLS’ COURT COURT 71
Before THE LORD CHIEF JUSTICE OF ENGLAND & WALES
THE MASTER OF THE ROLLS and
LADY JUSTICE SMITH
Thursday, 20th May, 2010
At 9:30
FOR JUDGMENT
APPLICATION
C1/2010/1197 British Airways Plc -v- Unite The Union. Application of Defendant for permission to appeal.
Before LORD JUSTICE MOORE-BICK
LORD JUSTICE MOSES and
LORD JUSTICE MUNBY
Not Before 12 o'clock
APPLICATION
A2/2009/2293 Taylor-Forrest -v- Owen & Anr. Application of Defendant for permission to appeal with appeal to follow if granted.
APPEAL
A2/2009/2666 Owen and anr -v- Taylor-Forrest. Appeal of Defendant from the order of Mr Justice Jack, dated 29th October 2009, filed 13th November 2009.
if BASSA win the right to appeal, it looks like the appeal itself won't take place tomorrow, so what next?
COURT OF APPEAL
CIVIL DIVISION
THE MASTER OF THE ROLLS’ COURT COURT 71
Before THE LORD CHIEF JUSTICE OF ENGLAND & WALES
THE MASTER OF THE ROLLS and
LADY JUSTICE SMITH
Thursday, 20th May, 2010
At 9:30
FOR JUDGMENT
APPLICATION
C1/2010/1197 British Airways Plc -v- Unite The Union. Application of Defendant for permission to appeal.
Before LORD JUSTICE MOORE-BICK
LORD JUSTICE MOSES and
LORD JUSTICE MUNBY
Not Before 12 o'clock
APPLICATION
A2/2009/2293 Taylor-Forrest -v- Owen & Anr. Application of Defendant for permission to appeal with appeal to follow if granted.
APPEAL
A2/2009/2666 Owen and anr -v- Taylor-Forrest. Appeal of Defendant from the order of Mr Justice Jack, dated 29th October 2009, filed 13th November 2009.
if BASSA win the right to appeal, it looks like the appeal itself won't take place tomorrow, so what next?
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: London, England
Age: 56
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Please think carefully
I understand emotions are running high at the moment, however I would just like to point out the following;
Belonging to a union is not just about the unions ability to conduct IR. It is also an insurance policy for yourself.
Consider carefully before leaving a recognised national union for a consultative committee(cc), what would happen if you were injured at work. Would the cc have legal nouse to help you out? If you were unfairly dismissed would a cc be able to offer you full legal support?
Having worked for an airline on which I was part of a cc, some good things came from it, however we eventually went over to a unionised labour force purely for the other options it gave us.
Belonging to a union is not just about the unions ability to conduct IR. It is also an insurance policy for yourself.
Consider carefully before leaving a recognised national union for a consultative committee(cc), what would happen if you were injured at work. Would the cc have legal nouse to help you out? If you were unfairly dismissed would a cc be able to offer you full legal support?
Having worked for an airline on which I was part of a cc, some good things came from it, however we eventually went over to a unionised labour force purely for the other options it gave us.
Join Date: May 2010
Location: london
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There is also ACAS who would advise you. Apart from collecting subs each month and recommending strikes what else do they do? My husband needed Unite's help a while ago and they were worse than useless.
He cleared up the matter on his own.
So no neither of us now belong to a union.
He cleared up the matter on his own.
So no neither of us now belong to a union.
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: London, England
Age: 56
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
you could still consult the same solicitors that the union use, on pretty much the same kind of deal if you have a good case
It is so much easier with the support of a big union behind you.
Not trying to pass judgement just speaking from personal experience.
Join Date: May 2010
Location: london
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It doesn't matter there are many lawyers now that will take cases on - no win no fee basis - and they won't take it on unless they are pretty sure you have a good case- they are as well resourced as any other law firm and specialise in dismissal cases or accident cases.
Many companies do not have unions and use outside resources.
Many companies do not have unions and use outside resources.
Join Date: May 2010
Location: out there somewhere
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It is so much easier with the support of a big union behind you.
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: southampton
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Am I the only one that's laughing myself silly at seeing one of the reasons to stay with BASSA as their legaleagleness?!?!!
Oh, I think a bit of wee came out!!!
Oh, I think a bit of wee came out!!!
Last edited by flybymerchant; 19th May 2010 at 21:04. Reason: typo due loss of bodily control
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: WALES
Age: 54
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ditch Bassa Now - Heres How!
Ditch Bassa Now - Heres How
IT IS EASY TO RESIGN FROM BASSA....
Log on to the bassa home page, click on 'contact us' and fill in all relevant details, send message saying "i wish to cancel my monthly subscriptions with immediate effect"
Once you have done this contact Pay and People services and tell them that you want to stop your union subscriptions, they will then tell you what you have to do...Guys it is as easy as that....
THE PCCC Have a new website.......
Please log on and join asap, we now, more than ever have to get rid of BASSA, they have caused us nothing but grief and hassle
LOGON TO www.mypccc.co.uk
IT IS EASY TO RESIGN FROM BASSA....
Log on to the bassa home page, click on 'contact us' and fill in all relevant details, send message saying "i wish to cancel my monthly subscriptions with immediate effect"
Once you have done this contact Pay and People services and tell them that you want to stop your union subscriptions, they will then tell you what you have to do...Guys it is as easy as that....
THE PCCC Have a new website.......
Please log on and join asap, we now, more than ever have to get rid of BASSA, they have caused us nothing but grief and hassle
LOGON TO www.mypccc.co.uk
Controversial, moi?
dave3
You have every right to put your case, in fact it is welcomed. However, what we all seem to see from UNITE/BASSA supporters/strikers is frequent posts seemingly designed to antagonise and short of any logic or facts. Posts which do not seem to question what UNITE /BASSA have achieved or what the current goal is or what the dispute is about or how it is going to be settled.
We frequently read that WW has to return to 'sensible negotiations' when it surely must be apparent to even the terminally stupid that that cliche means give in to the demands over disciplinaries and ST. Anybody witnessing this train crash from the beginning and from the inside knows that WW may drive a hard bargain but doesn't do it for his health but is trying to make BA fit for purpose in the current cut throat shambles which passes for the airline business.
When this started I thought that UNITE/BASSA would capitulate fairly rapidly. They didn't but they didn't win either and nor are they ever likely to win. They will be ineffective for many years to come after this debacle but what truly worries me is that the damage they have inflicted on BA may well prove terminal for BA and the 40+ thousand employees around the world.
As I said your presence is welcome but it would be refreshing to see a cogent post with some constructive argument defending your corner instead of short and irrelevant nonsense about whether VCC deserve to be paid and quoting untruths about what volunteers are actually being paid. It is notable when asked for more detail you ignored the request.
You have every right to put your case, in fact it is welcomed. However, what we all seem to see from UNITE/BASSA supporters/strikers is frequent posts seemingly designed to antagonise and short of any logic or facts. Posts which do not seem to question what UNITE /BASSA have achieved or what the current goal is or what the dispute is about or how it is going to be settled.
We frequently read that WW has to return to 'sensible negotiations' when it surely must be apparent to even the terminally stupid that that cliche means give in to the demands over disciplinaries and ST. Anybody witnessing this train crash from the beginning and from the inside knows that WW may drive a hard bargain but doesn't do it for his health but is trying to make BA fit for purpose in the current cut throat shambles which passes for the airline business.
When this started I thought that UNITE/BASSA would capitulate fairly rapidly. They didn't but they didn't win either and nor are they ever likely to win. They will be ineffective for many years to come after this debacle but what truly worries me is that the damage they have inflicted on BA may well prove terminal for BA and the 40+ thousand employees around the world.
As I said your presence is welcome but it would be refreshing to see a cogent post with some constructive argument defending your corner instead of short and irrelevant nonsense about whether VCC deserve to be paid and quoting untruths about what volunteers are actually being paid. It is notable when asked for more detail you ignored the request.