British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Winners & Losers....
Winners: BA & WW, through a tactical play they have reduced the effective strike period by 75%. Based on the show/no-show rates of the previous strike we could operate a 75% service as a minimum for the remainder of the strike period (fingers crossed).
Losers: BASSA and their members. The man is gonna show you no mercy now. I can imagine that Plan B of sacking 1000s of people is gonna be put in place. What else can he do? No company is a 100% perfect employer but there is no way we can survive with a suicidal militant tendency attempting to scupper the company at every turn. He was reasonable, he was fair and he tried to negotiate - what else could he have done???
Losers: BASSA and their members. The man is gonna show you no mercy now. I can imagine that Plan B of sacking 1000s of people is gonna be put in place. What else can he do? No company is a 100% perfect employer but there is no way we can survive with a suicidal militant tendency attempting to scupper the company at every turn. He was reasonable, he was fair and he tried to negotiate - what else could he have done???
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Unite have won the appeal!
Both the right to appeal and the actual appeal were both wrapped up into one, although that's not quite what the agenda described!
I never thought this injunction was a good idea. For the first time, Willie has taken the wrong turn.
Big question now is does he blink or does he hold firm? I hope he holds firm because otherwise he'll look weak. Assuming he holds firm I expect the strike will be back on from next Monday.
The injunction has also confused the operational plan. I'm flying a freighter out to the US today and back as a freighter on Saturday. What a complete waste of time and money! Come on Willie, sort it out!
Both the right to appeal and the actual appeal were both wrapped up into one, although that's not quite what the agenda described!
I never thought this injunction was a good idea. For the first time, Willie has taken the wrong turn.
Big question now is does he blink or does he hold firm? I hope he holds firm because otherwise he'll look weak. Assuming he holds firm I expect the strike will be back on from next Monday.
The injunction has also confused the operational plan. I'm flying a freighter out to the US today and back as a freighter on Saturday. What a complete waste of time and money! Come on Willie, sort it out!
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I never thought this injunction was a good idea. For the first time, Willie has taken the wrong turn.
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BentleyH: He will have to hold firm but actually the offer he put on the table was accepted by Unite (apart from the ST and disciplinaries) - its BASSA that don't want to accept the terms.
He has put ST back on the table (albeit in a diluted form) but that is better than nothing bearing in mind the CC have said originally it and I quote:
"Wasn't worth the paper it was written on" so why are they holding out for ST if its not worth anything to them - hypocriticial or what.
WW cannot and should not do anything about the disciplinaries - they must run their course through the right channels as if he does he is opening himself up to a load of trouble in the future.
Lets face it BASSA would find an excuse even if WW did agree to all their terms - then it would just be something else - they are power mad - and unfortunately they are going to take all of us down with them
Have a safe flight
He has put ST back on the table (albeit in a diluted form) but that is better than nothing bearing in mind the CC have said originally it and I quote:
"Wasn't worth the paper it was written on" so why are they holding out for ST if its not worth anything to them - hypocriticial or what.
WW cannot and should not do anything about the disciplinaries - they must run their course through the right channels as if he does he is opening himself up to a load of trouble in the future.
Lets face it BASSA would find an excuse even if WW did agree to all their terms - then it would just be something else - they are power mad - and unfortunately they are going to take all of us down with them
Have a safe flight
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Plan B Please Willie
We need these disloyal political hot heads REMOVED from our company.
These people don't give a dam to those that pay their wages,much less to the staff that have worked so hard to make our airline work.
It cannot be right that these militants hold the Airline to ransom.
Not only are they jeapordising our future, but as sure as blacks's not white, they will rear their political mugs time and time again if they have their own way. 2012 is one such danger. They really care about no one other than themselves and their own warped politics.
These people don't give a dam to those that pay their wages,much less to the staff that have worked so hard to make our airline work.
It cannot be right that these militants hold the Airline to ransom.
Not only are they jeapordising our future, but as sure as blacks's not white, they will rear their political mugs time and time again if they have their own way. 2012 is one such danger. They really care about no one other than themselves and their own warped politics.
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Hotelmode in case you have failed to notice we haven't backed down we won the appeal today.... little effort hate to say it but I bet WW thought he was going to win this fight with minimum effort.. wrong!!!! 
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Note the court has only decided on the issue of whether BA can obtain an injunction.
It has not decided on whether the March strikes (and, by extension, next week's strikes) were legal or not. Regardless of whether BA obtained an injunction, this would have always have had to go to a full hearing.
BA still has the right to sue Unite if if thinks if has a case.
It has not decided on whether the March strikes (and, by extension, next week's strikes) were legal or not. Regardless of whether BA obtained an injunction, this would have always have had to go to a full hearing.
BA still has the right to sue Unite if if thinks if has a case.
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WW has got it wrong once again my contacts (not BA staff) tell me fewer pax in T5 than on a strike day. Getting paid and not going on strike is Willie's master plan going from bad to worse time for him to leave I think. Many Vols are waiting around confused no doubt wondering what happens next.
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The law only protects you for 12 weeks....any subsequent ballot that is related to the first does NOT extend the 12 weeks. Therefore I think I'm right in saying that anyone out on strike in about 3 weeks time can be legally sacked.
Perhaps this was part of WW's masterplan.......the nearer he gets to that 12th June(?) date, the better chance he has of pulling out his Big Willie Eye-Waterer......locking out all the strikers (he's done it before) for the last couple of weeks and sacking them on the 12th- is that a possibility?
Perhaps this was part of WW's masterplan.......the nearer he gets to that 12th June(?) date, the better chance he has of pulling out his Big Willie Eye-Waterer......locking out all the strikers (he's done it before) for the last couple of weeks and sacking them on the 12th- is that a possibility?
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I'm Backing BA
Waterside: I didn't volunteer in the last round of IA but now I am very ready to volunteer anything. I'll personally drive our Pax / Crew to T5 if it helps keep the operation moving and me in a job.
Your lot are disillusioned, ill-informed and can't see the wood for the trees. Yet I am not even going to attempt to convert you because that would be like pushing water uphill. You've made your bed now lie in it. This is going to be over soon and I guess that there will be tears before bedtime (OK, fewer of the bed related metaphors).
I'm backing BA and I imagine like most other Volunteers your union's actions over the last few weeks have only strengthened our resolve to see our company come through this period safely. If the atmosphere is half as good as it was in the last few strikes it will be a fab place to work!
I'm Backing BA
Your lot are disillusioned, ill-informed and can't see the wood for the trees. Yet I am not even going to attempt to convert you because that would be like pushing water uphill. You've made your bed now lie in it. This is going to be over soon and I guess that there will be tears before bedtime (OK, fewer of the bed related metaphors).
I'm backing BA and I imagine like most other Volunteers your union's actions over the last few weeks have only strengthened our resolve to see our company come through this period safely. If the atmosphere is half as good as it was in the last few strikes it will be a fab place to work!
I'm Backing BA
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locking out all the strikers (he's done it before) for the last couple of weeks and sacking them on the 12th- is that a possibility?
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I am totally against the strike but I am also pleased with today's ruling. This situation needs to be brought to a head and let's see what unfolds over the coming strikes and also what happens when the record loss is announced and also what happens when the 12 week period is up. A new ballot over the loss of staff travel I suspect will see the union back in court quicker than they can blink. Proving a link between the 2 strikes will be easy.
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For any crew who may want to see what may happen if you actually took a step back and agreed to the sensible agreements. Look at what the recent agreement between the Postal unions has managed to change..
Royal Mail profit up to £404m - Business News, Business - The Independent
Royal Mail profit up to £404m - Business News, Business - The Independent
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BASSA/Unite have backed it's workers
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There are some basic facts here that I think strikers are failing to get. Willie Walsh cannot let this continue. We have seen that he will not back down so this can only leave one other option for the cc who will not accept the deal. I can see it, everybody else in BA can see it and so can probably the rest of the Uk population. If this carrys on, these people will not be working for BA in 6 months time. He has proven he can run the operation without you, and when a pretty full schedule is flying after a few days of the strike starting, you will be surplus to requirements.
Controversial, moi?
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I was pleased to see UNITE granted their appeal because I am actually pleased the suicide strikes will go ahead because it will hasten the end of the dispute. With the uncertainty of the past few days and the prospect of another ballot, etc. it was just dragging out the inevitable conclusion to the dispute.
Instead of making a vacuous jibe at the company why do you not make some constructive comments and observations about what this is all about and what you would hope to see to settle the dispute?
I was pleased to see UNITE granted their appeal because I am actually pleased the suicide strikes will go ahead because it will hasten the end of the dispute. With the uncertainty of the past few days and the prospect of another ballot, etc. it was just dragging out the inevitable conclusion to the dispute.
Instead of making a vacuous jibe at the company why do you not make some constructive comments and observations about what this is all about and what you would hope to see to settle the dispute?
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www your claim that T5 was deserted today are untrue I'm afraid. I was there on sby and walked down to M&S and it didn't seem any less busy than a normal day to me.
Ruptions at CRC today as it seems they were very over-crewed. Crew who's flight had been cancelled were put to sby and there were plenty of those. Evidentally 150 sby crew - not that I can confirm that but it certainly was standing room only.
In addition to that, due to BA's contigency plan, obviously some of which seemed to remain in place, there were vcc's rostered for flights and the original 'real crew' due no strike, also reported. Rumour around CRC was that management had removed 'known strikers' from the trips and kept the vcc's on. Again - a rumour and not confirmed but I did see managers running in and out of briefing rooms having intense conversations with crew and I there were a few angry faces around.
If this is true, I don't feel any sympathy for strikers that have been sent home. Quite happy to hijack the company when it suits them and not to show up for work, but when the company doesn't need them and sends them home, they don't like it. Well, I lost my very lucrative nightstop as well due to the cancelled strike and sat there on sby loosing money but I didn't complain!!
If any strikers were sent home then they only have themselves to blame and should accept the consequences. If you set out to cause mass disruption, the expect to be disrupted!! It cuts both ways
Ruptions at CRC today as it seems they were very over-crewed. Crew who's flight had been cancelled were put to sby and there were plenty of those. Evidentally 150 sby crew - not that I can confirm that but it certainly was standing room only.
In addition to that, due to BA's contigency plan, obviously some of which seemed to remain in place, there were vcc's rostered for flights and the original 'real crew' due no strike, also reported. Rumour around CRC was that management had removed 'known strikers' from the trips and kept the vcc's on. Again - a rumour and not confirmed but I did see managers running in and out of briefing rooms having intense conversations with crew and I there were a few angry faces around.
If this is true, I don't feel any sympathy for strikers that have been sent home. Quite happy to hijack the company when it suits them and not to show up for work, but when the company doesn't need them and sends them home, they don't like it. Well, I lost my very lucrative nightstop as well due to the cancelled strike and sat there on sby loosing money but I didn't complain!!
If any strikers were sent home then they only have themselves to blame and should accept the consequences. If you set out to cause mass disruption, the expect to be disrupted!! It cuts both ways