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It's called continual improvement except this is the first building work to the passenger infrastructure for a few years so I don't know what you are talking about when you say a building site since the 1980's.
In the 1980's the airport had a capacity of 3.5 million, in a few short years it will be 18 million which is some 5 times bigger.
I think you will find there has been a lot of building work carried out at other UK airport so maybe your same analogy could be used at these airports as well.
(Edit) I have just gone back over my photo collection as I like to record infrastructure changes. The last change to the inside of the terminal was 10 years ago in 2004 when the departure lounge was opened and the pier was built. In 2003 the North Apron was built Since then it has just been tinkering with the drop off area's and the exit road, all of which was rather minor.
In the 1980's the airport had a capacity of 3.5 million, in a few short years it will be 18 million which is some 5 times bigger.
I think you will find there has been a lot of building work carried out at other UK airport so maybe your same analogy could be used at these airports as well.
(Edit) I have just gone back over my photo collection as I like to record infrastructure changes. The last change to the inside of the terminal was 10 years ago in 2004 when the departure lounge was opened and the pier was built. In 2003 the North Apron was built Since then it has just been tinkering with the drop off area's and the exit road, all of which was rather minor.
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Artists impression from one side of the new dual carriageway of the walkway over the drop off area and entry and exit routes. When phase 3 is built it will be attached to a multistory car park
Looking back from close to taxiway Delta of the drop off area and new pier. As can be seen it looks the same as the existing airside pier and would require no work if a new apron was ever built in the short term car park. The departure gates on this side will be used to coach passengers to the south stands.
Looking back from close to taxiway Delta of the drop off area and new pier. As can be seen it looks the same as the existing airside pier and would require no work if a new apron was ever built in the short term car park. The departure gates on this side will be used to coach passengers to the south stands.
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It's called continual improvement except this is the first building work to the passenger infrastructure for a few years so I don't know what you are talking about when you say a building site since the 1980's.
With respect, continual improvement that has led to no improvement is not progress. The proof of no improvement is that 30 odd years on, it's still a building site that the travelling public have to endure each time they travel through it. I appreciate it is very difficult to improve and enhance any structure whilst it's open to the public, but 30 years !! Come on LTN, make these latest "improvements" the last and build an airport all can be proud of.
With respect, continual improvement that has led to no improvement is not progress. The proof of no improvement is that 30 odd years on, it's still a building site that the travelling public have to endure each time they travel through it. I appreciate it is very difficult to improve and enhance any structure whilst it's open to the public, but 30 years !! Come on LTN, make these latest "improvements" the last and build an airport all can be proud of.
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it's still a building site that the traveling public have to endure each time they travel through it
You will have to give a couple of examples of what has taken place that the traveling pubic has had to endure and not make sweeping statements. I can't think of anything apart from tinkering and then that was only shifting the drop off area away from the terminal to comply with the DoT and the exit route which were both minor and were completed in a matter of weeks. Oh and a few retail outlets that have changed hands over the years but that happens at all airports.
With respect, continual improvement that has led to no improvement is not progress
You need to look at the first post here http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...nostalgia.html but I agree that bigger is not always better but in Luton's case bigger was better.
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I can't think of anything apart from tinkering and then that was only shifting the drop off area away from the terminal to comply with the DoT and the exit route which were both minor and were completed in a matter of weeks.
dc9-32...Its very easy to be highly critical and I'm no fan of many aspects of LTN's current infrastructure.
However, be realistic! The airport was originally developed to handle a tiny fraction of the current throughput in an age when flying was still very much a luxury and the package holiday industry was in its infancy. Its a very challenging site with several major issues including hangars and other infrastructure limiting development. Then there is the local topography! Comparing LTN to most other similar sized UK airports is hardly relevant as apart from what has already been mentioned, LTN also manages to squeeze in an ever growing number of exec jets which also produces many challenges.
Of course, I hope the planned development addresses many of the current issues but I'm also not expecting miracles!
However, be realistic! The airport was originally developed to handle a tiny fraction of the current throughput in an age when flying was still very much a luxury and the package holiday industry was in its infancy. Its a very challenging site with several major issues including hangars and other infrastructure limiting development. Then there is the local topography! Comparing LTN to most other similar sized UK airports is hardly relevant as apart from what has already been mentioned, LTN also manages to squeeze in an ever growing number of exec jets which also produces many challenges.
Of course, I hope the planned development addresses many of the current issues but I'm also not expecting miracles!
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Believe me, I want LTN to succeed as a regional airport and to be able to encourage new growth but having worked at the airport back in the 80's and 90's, the overall appearance to the general public, let alone workers, is that it is still "work in progress" as it was then. This trend will now continue for more months to come and there will surely (must) come a point when the work has to stop. All I say is this. Get it right this time so the airport can truly be where it deserves to be.
I agree that it's location goes against it in many respects and that STN was fortunate enough to have masses of land on which to build a new airport, but the people who now manage LTN must look to the future and one that does not include on going earth works, road works, and general upset to the paying public.
I agree that it's location goes against it in many respects and that STN was fortunate enough to have masses of land on which to build a new airport, but the people who now manage LTN must look to the future and one that does not include on going earth works, road works, and general upset to the paying public.
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This trend will now continue for more months to come
I agree that it's location goes against it
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I copied virtually the whole summer 15 schedule down for all airports from the timetable when it was first released and Luton was the neatest schedule of all airports with 5 based and no gaps.
Bodrum and Antalya are still in the timetable but clearly not bookable which doesn't bode well. What I didn't do at the time was cross-check the timetable with the booking engine and thus I can't be sure if they were ever bookable but if they made the timetable you have to assume they were.
Also I noticed Munich is now just operating at school holiday times and is that new? Basically a few flights over Christmas and New Year, February half-term and one in March.
Rome like BHX is suspended for one month in the New Year.
Sharm in that same period is just weekly.
In fact that period from the second week in January to the first week in February the number of flights is 14 per week give or take one or two.
2 ALC, 3 GIB (2 one week), 3 ACE, 2 AGP, 1 SSH, 3 TFS.
This is not just Luton with BHX seeing reductions in Rome, Larnaca and Gibraltar during this period.
As Monarch have said all schedules are under review and there are now virtually daily changes to the winter 14/5 and summer 15 timetable.
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I copied virtually the whole summer 15 schedule down for all airports from the timetable when it was first released and Luton was the neatest schedule of all airports with 5 based and no gaps.
Bodrum and Antalya are still in the timetable but clearly not bookable which doesn't bode well. What I didn't do at the time was cross-check the timetable with the booking engine and thus I can't be sure if they were ever bookable but if they made the timetable you have to assume they were.
Also I noticed Munich is now just operating at school holiday times and is that new? Basically a few flights over Christmas and New Year, February half-term and one in March.
Rome like BHX is suspended for one month in the New Year.
Sharm in that same period is just weekly.
In fact that period from the second week in January to the first week in February the number of flights is 14 per week give or take one or two.
2 ALC, 3 GIB (2 one week), 3 ACE, 2 AGP, 1 SSH, 3 TFS.
This is not just Luton with BHX seeing reductions in Rome, Larnaca and Gibraltar during this period.
As Monarch have said all schedules are under review and there are now virtually daily changes to the winter 14/5 and summer 15 timetable.
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Thanks for the info. I can 100% confirm that Antalya, Bodrum and Corfu were in the booking engine and were actually on sale for Summer 2015.
Looking at the Monarch thread is appears MAN might have had some routes removed too, mainly in Turkey and Cyprus.
Thanks for the info. I can 100% confirm that Antalya, Bodrum and Corfu were in the booking engine and were actually on sale for Summer 2015.
Looking at the Monarch thread is appears MAN might have had some routes removed too, mainly in Turkey and Cyprus.
