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Yes but it is about to get much better. If you think Luton is bad now watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-HPg5oGlww but I agree does it really matter if Luton is 5th or 6th?
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Wow, amazing old footage. I just loved seeing the old TriStars again 
As for now, it's great that Luton is having a bumper year. It matters little where the airport ranks among UK airports overall but it's certainly important to see continued growth. With improvements to the infrastructure commencing soon, the airport is well set for years & years of continual growth.
As for now, it's great that Luton is having a bumper year. It matters little where the airport ranks among UK airports overall but it's certainly important to see continued growth. With improvements to the infrastructure commencing soon, the airport is well set for years & years of continual growth.
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There is another film on post 83, which at the moment is the last page http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...nostalgia.html
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If it is that bad Aluminium why have so many people used the airport? Plenty of choices in the South East! I for one are not particularly interested in the shopping mall concept, just want to get checked in, through security, depart or arrive and on my way.
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Cpt3B - because they're local, or because that is where their flight departs - not all LTN destinations are served by another airport with the same airline. Pretty stupid question, even for a rhetorical one.
With all the cracked tiling, dirty walls, appalling road infrastructure and the leaky roofs, never mind the long walkways that any other airport would have equipped with travelators, you're defending the indefensible. It's a dump, and I only hope the new works improve it, not make it worse like the new terminal did.
With all the cracked tiling, dirty walls, appalling road infrastructure and the leaky roofs, never mind the long walkways that any other airport would have equipped with travelators, you're defending the indefensible. It's a dump, and I only hope the new works improve it, not make it worse like the new terminal did.
LTN has issues and I'm sure no one will pretend it hasn't!
However, I flew from STN a week or so ago and that was far from a pleasant experience. Lots of cordons and temporary walkways in the departure area. Once finally past security for an early morning departure, hordes of passengers crammed the in the retail area waiting the announcement of departure gates. Yes, LTN has currently has similar problems but there are plenty of tatty areas at STN too.....Its easy to forget the original part of the terminal and concourses are 23 years old!
However, I flew from STN a week or so ago and that was far from a pleasant experience. Lots of cordons and temporary walkways in the departure area. Once finally past security for an early morning departure, hordes of passengers crammed the in the retail area waiting the announcement of departure gates. Yes, LTN has currently has similar problems but there are plenty of tatty areas at STN too.....Its easy to forget the original part of the terminal and concourses are 23 years old!
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Lots of cordons and temporary walkways in the departure area.
I'm glad to see LTN is heading for some similar improvements, and I agree much needed improvements too. But it will have to go through probably an even longer process of construction and temporary walkways etc. in the years it takes.
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STN remains approximately 6 million passengers short of it's 'heyday' back in 2007. What has gone wrong?
Luton on the other hand is growing and unfortunately it's infrastructure was not ready for the influx of passengers choosing Luton not just for price but equally for convenience being literally less than 35 minutes door to door from Kings X St Pancras London station to the terminal on a good day.
LHR, LGW, LCY, SEN and LTN are all experiencing 'triumph' in passenger figures with nearly all surpassing the highest of previous reported passenger levels!
But STN remains far behind in terms of 'real growth'!
STN remains approximately 6 million passengers short of it's 'heyday' back in 2007. What has gone wrong?
Luton on the other hand is growing and unfortunately it's infrastructure was not ready for the influx of passengers choosing Luton not just for price but equally for convenience being literally less than 35 minutes door to door from Kings X St Pancras London station to the terminal on a good day.
LHR, LGW, LCY, SEN and LTN are all experiencing 'triumph' in passenger figures with nearly all surpassing the highest of previous reported passenger levels!
But STN remains far behind in terms of 'real growth'!
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I'm not quite sure why that was directed at me but the answer to your question is very simple.
STN suffered as a result of its previous owners, BAA as they were at the time, making several court appeals against the Competition Commissions Ruling that it must sell the airport.
As a result the airport suffered a somewhat uncertain outlook which didn't make it appealing for airlines to start or expand services. It also didn't get the commitment or investment to the level it should have done during that time. Essentially STN didn't remain competitive enough against the other London airports hence why so many airlines moved to Luton and especially Gatwick.
I think the general economic climate is to blame for their earlier years of decline in 2008/9, as was the case at the vast majority of airports at that time. It was unfortunate that the BAA situation had become more of an on-going issue at the time most airports started recovering in the 2010/11 period.
However since MAG took over in February 2013 the airport has seen consistent growth. It's currently one of the UK's fastest growing major airports and on a rolling year basis is now growing faster than Luton, with this trend looking set to continue with a strong winter schedule ahead.
STN has a lot of damage to recover from but there is no debating that it will eventually do so. It's not going to recover from more than 5 years of declining traffic overnight.
I think we should all be very grateful for now that all the London airports are growing very strongly in their own right.
STN suffered as a result of its previous owners, BAA as they were at the time, making several court appeals against the Competition Commissions Ruling that it must sell the airport.
As a result the airport suffered a somewhat uncertain outlook which didn't make it appealing for airlines to start or expand services. It also didn't get the commitment or investment to the level it should have done during that time. Essentially STN didn't remain competitive enough against the other London airports hence why so many airlines moved to Luton and especially Gatwick.
I think the general economic climate is to blame for their earlier years of decline in 2008/9, as was the case at the vast majority of airports at that time. It was unfortunate that the BAA situation had become more of an on-going issue at the time most airports started recovering in the 2010/11 period.
However since MAG took over in February 2013 the airport has seen consistent growth. It's currently one of the UK's fastest growing major airports and on a rolling year basis is now growing faster than Luton, with this trend looking set to continue with a strong winter schedule ahead.
STN has a lot of damage to recover from but there is no debating that it will eventually do so. It's not going to recover from more than 5 years of declining traffic overnight.
I think we should all be very grateful for now that all the London airports are growing very strongly in their own right.
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Gosh the whole Luton Stansted thing is so tedious.
Both airports have their pros and cons. Both are growing and expanding under new ownership after some neglect. Lets move on from the boring routine arguments.
They both serve important areas and airlines, I am happy when both improve because I can use both for flying places I like to go to!
Both airports have their pros and cons. Both are growing and expanding under new ownership after some neglect. Lets move on from the boring routine arguments.
They both serve important areas and airlines, I am happy when both improve because I can use both for flying places I like to go to!
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Is Monarch's planned closure of its EMA base likely to have a positive impact on its operation at LTN & if so are we likely to see more new routes or increased frequencies on existing routes over & above what's already been announced such as Rome going to 6x weekly?
Not good news for Monarch....1000 redundancies
Fleet to be cut to 30 and all charter and Long-haul flying dropped
Monarch airline axes 1,000 jobs in attempt to lure saviour | The Sunday Times
Fleet to be cut to 30 and all charter and Long-haul flying dropped
Monarch airline axes 1,000 jobs in attempt to lure saviour | The Sunday Times
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I hope that it's not the beginning of the end for them and that they are able to restructure effectively. With a long, proud history, especially at Luton, it would be devastating if they were lost
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@ Runway 08 'Gosh the whole Luton Stansted thing is so tedious' you simply do not have to read all comments and as has become evident in this forum your not all bright sparks in relation to facts and figures and knowledge of Luton's operation! For the record all airports compete just like airlines and supermarkets and if you can not handle negative as well as positive comments then maybe this is not the forum for you?
In relation to this latest Monarch saga, BALPA are apparently not aware of any impending redundancies at Monarch and therefore we have to consider what is factual in The Sunday Times story!
In relation to this latest Monarch saga, BALPA are apparently not aware of any impending redundancies at Monarch and therefore we have to consider what is factual in The Sunday Times story!
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What on earth are you bumbling on about, Are you kitted up in your Luton airport Jersey and shorts ready to take on the Stansteds?
It's drawn out and regurgitated rubbish that has been going on for years.
Sure wallp It would be devastating for the staff losing their jobs, The airline itself doesn't seem to have direction though. The engineering lot will go on long after the airline ceases.
Interestingly enough nobody else ran the "loss of 1000 jobs" story and Monarch have mentioned nothing so...
Knowing at least 5 ppl that work for them in Luton (including relatives) I hope they can come up with a plan for long term success. They were my first experience of aviation, Love them.
It's drawn out and regurgitated rubbish that has been going on for years.
Sure wallp It would be devastating for the staff losing their jobs, The airline itself doesn't seem to have direction though. The engineering lot will go on long after the airline ceases.
Interestingly enough nobody else ran the "loss of 1000 jobs" story and Monarch have mentioned nothing so...
Knowing at least 5 ppl that work for them in Luton (including relatives) I hope they can come up with a plan for long term success. They were my first experience of aviation, Love them.
Interestingly enough nobody else ran the "loss of 1000 jobs" story and Monarch have mentioned nothing so...
runway08
Problem is with modern journalism is that it can very easily result in people losing their jobs, as stories such as these, especially if they proliferate through (anti) social media can give a none-story legs.
Ah modern day journalism. "sources" no ****?