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Do people think it possible that Ryanair will start flying to Turkey soon? Would compete from the UK/Germany with ThomasCook and TUI, probably forcing them into further trouble.
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j636, correct.
Also, the key to FR's model and the general loco model is maximum utilisation as we all know. Turkey and back is taking a good ~10-12hrs out of the operating day. That's not the type of sectors FR want to be operating. They may try and get rights from other EU bases, but I doubt it.
Also, the key to FR's model and the general loco model is maximum utilisation as we all know. Turkey and back is taking a good ~10-12hrs out of the operating day. That's not the type of sectors FR want to be operating. They may try and get rights from other EU bases, but I doubt it.
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Ryanair's rise to prominence has been spectacular over the last decade and I'm interested to see where the business will go from here.
My thinking was that they operate to Cyprus and Greece already and there would surely be passengers and business to be had on routes to Turkey, from German bases in particular.
Granted it would put the cat among the Air Berlin, Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines pigeons but since when have Ryanair worried about being aggressive? Plenty of spare planes that won't fly themselves.
My thinking was that they operate to Cyprus and Greece already and there would surely be passengers and business to be had on routes to Turkey, from German bases in particular.
Granted it would put the cat among the Air Berlin, Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines pigeons but since when have Ryanair worried about being aggressive? Plenty of spare planes that won't fly themselves.
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MOL had to be escorted by police to an aircraft at Bilbao after he angered former Spanair employees. The press conferance didn't go to well either.
Ryanair offered Spanair workers employment but they didn't take to it very well. THey didn't want to pay there taxes in Ireland and they would have to open an account in Gibraltar to collect their wages and to make things worse he thanked the spanair workers for causing problems as it got Ryanair more PR.
Ryanair offered Spanair workers employment but they didn't take to it very well. THey didn't want to pay there taxes in Ireland and they would have to open an account in Gibraltar to collect their wages and to make things worse he thanked the spanair workers for causing problems as it got Ryanair more PR.
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Curious: RYR jumps into Malev's home base and now seems to be rushing to fill the Spanair vacuum. Nothing happened when Sky Europe went bust in Bratislava. Why?
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No, I really do not understand why nothing happened.
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No, I really do not understand why nothing happened.
Ryanair demands cost reductions from Bratislava Airport - corrected - The Slovak Spectator
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FR are selling flights from BUD while the terms are not yet agreed with the airport. Learn from FT.com (Ryanair vs Budapest: playing dirty?)
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There appears to be two strange situations brewing at both Modlin (Warsaw) and Budapest the last few days between Wizzair and Ryanair and this seems to be another aspect of the same situation which is coming to light.
What I think may have happened is that whilst Ryanair were pretty much the first to actually talk about new routes from Budapest last week and seemed pretty sure of getting a deal, they made the mistake of going public before it was sealed and since then Wizzair have been alerted to this, and gone in and done a deal beforehand.
After the collapse of Malev I would say that Budapest are keen to do a deal with Wizz as they are based there and are Hungarian and once such option became available they became less keen on Ryanair, with another tranche of routes launched today by Wizz (see their website), hence why Ryanair are feeling they are getting the cold shoulder.
The next chapter is going to happen on Wednesday when MOL apparently goes to Warsaw in the morning and may be in Hungary later that day, however the bad news for him is they look to have come out of both Budapest and Warsaw very much second best and Wizzair have actually managed to outplay Ryanair on this hand.
I wouldn't call it playing dirty however, I would suspect that both the airports concerned were trying to get the best deal for each other, which is easier when you have two companies wanting to fly there, and two airlines who are scrapping with each other to try and outdo the other one.
One thing is for sure, I think that we are going to have a big face off between Wizz and Ryanair in the coming months as it really is now starting to feel like the beginning of a war.
What I think may have happened is that whilst Ryanair were pretty much the first to actually talk about new routes from Budapest last week and seemed pretty sure of getting a deal, they made the mistake of going public before it was sealed and since then Wizzair have been alerted to this, and gone in and done a deal beforehand.
After the collapse of Malev I would say that Budapest are keen to do a deal with Wizz as they are based there and are Hungarian and once such option became available they became less keen on Ryanair, with another tranche of routes launched today by Wizz (see their website), hence why Ryanair are feeling they are getting the cold shoulder.
The next chapter is going to happen on Wednesday when MOL apparently goes to Warsaw in the morning and may be in Hungary later that day, however the bad news for him is they look to have come out of both Budapest and Warsaw very much second best and Wizzair have actually managed to outplay Ryanair on this hand.
I wouldn't call it playing dirty however, I would suspect that both the airports concerned were trying to get the best deal for each other, which is easier when you have two companies wanting to fly there, and two airlines who are scrapping with each other to try and outdo the other one.
One thing is for sure, I think that we are going to have a big face off between Wizz and Ryanair in the coming months as it really is now starting to feel like the beginning of a war.
I wouldn't call it playing dirty however, I would suspect that both the airports concerned and the two airlines were just scrapping to try and gain some advantage over the other. One thing is for sure, I think that we are going to have a big face off between Wizz and Ryanair in the coming months as it really is now starting to feel like the beginning of a war.
Wizzair needs to pick its fights that it can win.
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Wizz (to me at least) is a big mystery financially, they've always claimed that they made a profit and made a bold claim during the time that Sky Europe went bust that they were profitable for several years although 2-3 years ago I vaguely remember reading a few articles saying they had never made a profit and last year also an article saying they were tipped as one of the most likely airlines to go bust.
I don't think they've ever commented on their finances like Ryanair would do, I'm not even sure if they need to publish them in Hungary like they would have to in most countries.
I don't think they've ever commented on their finances like Ryanair would do, I'm not even sure if they need to publish them in Hungary like they would have to in most countries.
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I have a strong suspicion FR may actually purchase W6. A few things within the company showing signs to take a second arcraft type a reality....the business model of W6 is an exact copy of FR.
With Spanair and Malev going there's suddenly more market to be grabbed, and who knows who is next. FR do not have the ability to expand beyond 2012/13 as no A/C will be entering the fleet....a quick purchase of W6 gives an entire market, supply of new aircraft and orders from Airbus. Heavy expansion into Central/Eastern markets aswell as continued expansion in Spain and into the Baltic states...
Just my 2 cents, but think its time to spend some of that stored up cash on turning around W6 and pushing the PAX figures past the 100million mark.
With Spanair and Malev going there's suddenly more market to be grabbed, and who knows who is next. FR do not have the ability to expand beyond 2012/13 as no A/C will be entering the fleet....a quick purchase of W6 gives an entire market, supply of new aircraft and orders from Airbus. Heavy expansion into Central/Eastern markets aswell as continued expansion in Spain and into the Baltic states...
Just my 2 cents, but think its time to spend some of that stored up cash on turning around W6 and pushing the PAX figures past the 100million mark.
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I can't see a deal being done with BUD..we will see tomorrow but don't think it will happon.
As for Warsaw what routes will FR announce. DUB, STN are certain but where else?
As for Warsaw what routes will FR announce. DUB, STN are certain but where else?
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Ryanair have made it clear to customers about there BUD ops on the Ryanair Hingary website: This is taken from home page.
6 Feb - Budapest Rescue - Update
Ryanair this evening confirmed that it has secured slots for all of its proposed fights from Budapest Airport from 17th Feb next.
Ryanair's €9.99 rescue fares went on sale last Friday in order to minimise the disruption to Hungarian consumers/ visitors arising from the closure of Malev.
However, despite repeated letters and phone calls Ryanair has still not received a reply from Hochtief Budapest Airport to our commercial proposal discussed with senior airport management on Friday afternoon.
A senior Ryanair management team is travelling to Budapest on Tuesday morning to meet with Hochtief Budapest Airport to finalise acceptable commercial terms for Ryanair's largest ever investment in Hungarian tourism. Ryanair will also be meeting with Malev pilots, cabin crew and engineers to invite job applications to help Ryanair crew its four aircraft/31 route Budapest base which is due to commence on Friday 17th Feb.
Ryanair has however warned prospective passengers that if it can not agree terms with Hochtief Budapest Airport tomorrow it may be forced to delay the launch of its Budapest base, delay the rescue of Hungarian consumers/ visitors and delay the recruitment of Hungarian pilots cabin crew and engineers.
Given the speed of Ryanair's emergency response last friday to Malev's closure, the delays by Budapest Airport in responding to Ryanair's proposals is regrettable and concerning. It would be a pity if Budapest Airport's high costs and slow response cause a delay in Ryanair's €300m euro rescue plan for Hungarian traffic, tourism and jobs.
Ryanair management will be happy to brief the press during the course of their visit to Budapest on Tuesday/Wednesday this week.
Ryanair this evening confirmed that it has secured slots for all of its proposed fights from Budapest Airport from 17th Feb next.
Ryanair's €9.99 rescue fares went on sale last Friday in order to minimise the disruption to Hungarian consumers/ visitors arising from the closure of Malev.
However, despite repeated letters and phone calls Ryanair has still not received a reply from Hochtief Budapest Airport to our commercial proposal discussed with senior airport management on Friday afternoon.
A senior Ryanair management team is travelling to Budapest on Tuesday morning to meet with Hochtief Budapest Airport to finalise acceptable commercial terms for Ryanair's largest ever investment in Hungarian tourism. Ryanair will also be meeting with Malev pilots, cabin crew and engineers to invite job applications to help Ryanair crew its four aircraft/31 route Budapest base which is due to commence on Friday 17th Feb.
Ryanair has however warned prospective passengers that if it can not agree terms with Hochtief Budapest Airport tomorrow it may be forced to delay the launch of its Budapest base, delay the rescue of Hungarian consumers/ visitors and delay the recruitment of Hungarian pilots cabin crew and engineers.
Given the speed of Ryanair's emergency response last friday to Malev's closure, the delays by Budapest Airport in responding to Ryanair's proposals is regrettable and concerning. It would be a pity if Budapest Airport's high costs and slow response cause a delay in Ryanair's €300m euro rescue plan for Hungarian traffic, tourism and jobs.
Ryanair management will be happy to brief the press during the course of their visit to Budapest on Tuesday/Wednesday this week.