Ryanair - 8

[j636]

Ryanair's December Traffic Down 5%

[Chidken Sangwich]

Now where's that bubble gone... oh I think it may have burst, or have the public finally started voting with their feet?

80 Aircraft parked up should increase the load factor, not decrease it...

[Seljuk22]

2011 in total 76.4 million passengers (+5%) compared to 72.72 million last year.

[pabely]

Traffic was +2% last December, this has got to hit their other income streams as well.

[j636]

So Ryanair only increase passengers by 5% in 2011 and Wizz Air manage to increase passengers by 15%. Would expect Easyjet to post a big increase also. Why can other low cost carriers post good increases and FR so little.

They claim to park 80 aircraft. They recived about 20 new ones this year, so they can't claim they parked more this year compared to last winter as they didn't have them in the fleet to do it last winter. Traffic this winter should be level with last year. If im correct they parked 60 last winter.

Around 100,000 passengers were lost from one base alone last December which were not this December.

[Jamie2k9]

PFO is top on the list to become a base...however FR just waiting for a few things to be put in place by the airport in order to sustain the operation.

Could be MOL on the rounds announcing new routes/bases etc for the upcoming summer season.

Will they announce a base at an airport they have never operated from before. Would expect a few routes but not a base quiet yet.

Malta and FR were talking about a second aircraft being based there this summer so they may do both on Tuesday.

[eu01]

Pax losses... I thought MOL was able to think very clearly and associate facts.
The level on institutional (un)friendliness towards pax is taking its tall - and I don't mean the flying personnel, obviously. You know it's about time to start doing something to win customers back, don't you? - Why not start with reading the opinions and analysis in this and earlier threads, you'll find many hints and solutions. It's much more than Captcha, just try understand what issues make customers angry and try to change your attitudes, many will return.

[FR-]

Look its simple, MOL told its shares holders that we will no longer run at a loss in the winter anymore, hence we will not fly routes in the winter that do not make money. We have known about the reduction in pax number for months, why make a big deal about it now?

Too many people on this site who think they can run an airline, if you can please come put your money where you mouth is, and not sat at the end of a runway.

[frfly]

Jamie - if I remember correctly it's what we did in BCN. No routes to the airport then suddenly it was a base.

[h&s]

Look its simple, MOL told its shares holders that we will no longer run at a loss in the winter anymore

not simple, but stupid as impossible. Even STN with lots of aircraft parked will never be profitable during the winter, even good bases like CRL or CIA.

We have known about the reduction in pax number for months, why make a big deal about it now?

The surprise is not the PAX number, but the drop in LF. We would not expect this with such a capacity reduction. We just notice since they started their anti-screenscrapping website policy, the no brain airline LFs are not good

[Chidken Sangwich]

EasyJet - Dec

EZY figures just out for Dec:

4.13M pax, +13.1%
Load Factor: 85.6%

What happened then FR-?

[Jorik]

frfly is completely right. BCN had no routes and suddenly a base was announced. I wouldn't be surprised when it will be the same case at Paphos. Looking at the interview below, the plans and agreements may already have been signed and Ryanair is just waiting for the right time to announce it...

Interview with Nassos Hadjigeorgiou, manager of the Paphos regional board of tourism early this year:
“We are currently examining a proposal for flights to and from Paphos airport in co-operation with Ryanair.”

He said routes could include Scandinavian countries and Ireland, which currently have no connection but would not affect established destination already operating from Paphos.

Weekly flights could commence from October and see two Ryanair lanes being permanently based at Paphos airport.

Hadjigeorgiou said: “All sectors involved in Paphos are looking at the issue to ensure we use the correct formula, the plans will be finalised in about ten days time to give us ample time to prepare for the commencement of the flights.”

[EI-DAC]

Turin summer flights are not on sale yet. All routes are pre-loaded with same schedule of last summer, but nothing on sale. Local politicians speak about FR base at TRN since a long time, it's not clear if this black out is due to an imminent announcement of the base, or just related to commercial discussions about current contract.

[befree]

EZY figures just out for Dec:
4.13M pax, +13.1% Load Factor: 85.6%

It is telling that FR cannot increase load factor even when they cut the weakest routes and lag well behind EZJ in the winter for load factor and income.

Are we going to see 100 planes parked next winter?

[racedo]

The surprise is not the PAX number, but the drop in LF. We would not expect this with such a capacity reduction. We just notice since they started their anti-screenscrapping website policy, the no brain airline LFs are not good

As majority of fares for Dec were sold well before Dec then how would Capchta make a difference ?

What is funny is watching people salivating about Ryanair stating exactly what they intended to do and then doing exactly as they are said.

Funny part is they have done exactly the same over the last number of years in doing what they say they will yet express shock and horror..............it would be funny if it was not so laughable at the the reaction of the sheeple.

[Alycidon]

EZY figures just out for Dec:

4.13M pax, +13.1%
Load Factor: 85.6%

and for RYR

Dec 11 Passengers (m) 1
4.8M -5%


Load Factor 2
79% -1%

When I last checked, 4.8 million was a bigger figure than 4.13 million, and that's with 80 aircraft on the ground.

Would anyone care to work out the pax number of a 149 seat A319 85.6% full and a 189 seat NG 79% full?

OK then, I make it 149.3 pax on the NG (RYR) against 127.6 on the Bus(EZY). As Mr O'Leary himself might say....bolloxology!

[Skipness One Echo]

When I last checked, 4.8 million was a bigger figure than 4.13 million, and that's with 80 aircraft on the ground.

So 80 aircraft parked over the winter and then flown to a VERY busy summer, that's going to even out over time. They're just like Monarch and Britannia in the 80s, flying Scots to the sun then not flying in the winter. The more things change the more things stay the same. The trick being missed is that their aircraft are idle over the winter and not being leased out to other firms who have a busy time in our quiet periods. This strikes me as a missed opportunity given their penny pinching and downright frugal attitude to everything else except maintenance and saftey!

[BALLSOUT]

They don't just park them up for the winter, they make full use of the down time to carry out as much of the maintainance, repainting etc, over the winter period as they can. This allows them to fly the pants off them in the summer.

[racedo]

The trick being missed is that their aircraft are idle over the winter and not being leased out to other firms who have a busy time in our quiet periods. This strikes me as a missed opportunity given their penny pinching and downright frugal attitude to everything else except maintenance and saftey!

Nope the non use of the assets and their rotation makes them last longer which makes sense.

[h&s]

As majority of fares for Dec were sold well before Dec then how would Capchta make a difference ?

Still expect between 30% and 40% of their bookings for december to come from mid-nov ie. when capchta was implemented