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A press release is one thing, but if tickets are going on sale, and Ryanair is taking people's money, then a contract is formed which is binding under EU law.
Yes, there is a land grab going on for Budapest, and Ryanair need to move very quickly, but they are also taking a risk with potentially having to refund passengers not just the money they paid, but also, for bookings less than 4 weeks away, a lot more cash as well.
Taking the overall view, I reckon it's worth the short term gamble in return for the potentially long term benefits
Yes, there is a land grab going on for Budapest, and Ryanair need to move very quickly, but they are also taking a risk with potentially having to refund passengers not just the money they paid, but also, for bookings less than 4 weeks away, a lot more cash as well.
Taking the overall view, I reckon it's worth the short term gamble in return for the potentially long term benefits
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potentially having to refund passengers not just the money they paid, but also, for bookings less than 4 weeks away, a lot more cash as well.
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One thing is for sure, I think that we are going to have a big face off between Wizz and Ryanair in the coming months as it really is now starting to feel like the beginning of a war.
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I think Ryanair and BUD will agree something but BUD will be calling the shots as they don't seem to intrested in dealing with Ryanair at the minute. If Ryanair want to operate from BUD and compete with Wizz Air then it will cost them to do so.
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Budapest Airport have now played down the comments made in the article relating to Ryanair - another twist in this saga.
Budapest Airport CEO Jost Lammers was surprised to learn of the comments attributed to Budapest Airport in the FT article yesterday evening. Therefore he wishes to redress the balance with a formal official statement to avoid any misunderstanding for all stakeholders, especially the passengers and Ryanair.
“Firstly, it is very clear that Ryanair wishes to commence services in the coming days from Budapest Airport. In parallel to this, there have been ongoing discussions between Budapest Airport and Ryanair with a view to discussing the start up of operations and some commercial issues. However, we do not comment on any discussions between the airport and any airline customers without the prior agreement of the customer, in this case Ryanair. Our charges and incentive structure are in the public domain and are available to any eligible airline, including Ryanair and we welcome any new flights they wish to commence now or in the future from Budapest Airport.
Slot co-ordination is not in the competence of Budapest Airport therefore of course we cannot comment regarding who does or does not have a slot. What I can clearly state, is that due to the vacuum left by the collapse Malév last week, we can generally accept all requests when it comes to operational matters. In a crisis situation, we will take whatever action is required to accommodate airlines wishes to fly from Budapest. I would advise passengers that any airline that is on sale including Ryanair, intend to fly until such a time they decide differently.”
Budapest Airport will be issuing a further statement in the next 24 hours to advise passengers as to which airlines have announced services since the collapse of Malév, including details about Ryanair.
“Firstly, it is very clear that Ryanair wishes to commence services in the coming days from Budapest Airport. In parallel to this, there have been ongoing discussions between Budapest Airport and Ryanair with a view to discussing the start up of operations and some commercial issues. However, we do not comment on any discussions between the airport and any airline customers without the prior agreement of the customer, in this case Ryanair. Our charges and incentive structure are in the public domain and are available to any eligible airline, including Ryanair and we welcome any new flights they wish to commence now or in the future from Budapest Airport.
Slot co-ordination is not in the competence of Budapest Airport therefore of course we cannot comment regarding who does or does not have a slot. What I can clearly state, is that due to the vacuum left by the collapse Malév last week, we can generally accept all requests when it comes to operational matters. In a crisis situation, we will take whatever action is required to accommodate airlines wishes to fly from Budapest. I would advise passengers that any airline that is on sale including Ryanair, intend to fly until such a time they decide differently.”
Budapest Airport will be issuing a further statement in the next 24 hours to advise passengers as to which airlines have announced services since the collapse of Malév, including details about Ryanair.
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Contract..."binding under EU law"
Does EU law apply to this airline ?
If yes, which elements of EU law are we discussing ?
On contracts of carriage ?
On passenger compensation (under EU261/ 2004)??
On contracts of employment ???
On union rights ????
On unfair subsidies which distort competition ?????
Can anyone cite specific cases which show such laws to have been upheld ?
"I think we should be told"
If yes, which elements of EU law are we discussing ?
On contracts of carriage ?
On passenger compensation (under EU261/ 2004)??
On contracts of employment ???
On union rights ????
On unfair subsidies which distort competition ?????
Can anyone cite specific cases which show such laws to have been upheld ?
"I think we should be told"
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In Wizzair's thread I've given the identical or very similar routes of W6 and FR from Budapest, if the base there is finally created.
Let's look at Ryanair's destinations from Warsaw Modlin that will be announced within hours today.
Any further comments?
Let's look at Ryanair's destinations from Warsaw Modlin that will be announced within hours today.
- NYO
- CRL
- BUD
- BGY
- STN
- Oslo
- Rome
- DUB.
Any further comments?
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Full announcement:
Ryanair Opens 8 Warsaw Modlin Routes From 16 July 2012
Another dig at Wizzair's finances.
Ryanair Opens 8 Warsaw Modlin Routes From 16 July 2012
Another dig at Wizzair's finances.
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I think countries and airport need to be more careful in their allowance of FR. Home carriers desperately need to be protected in my opinion. It would be a shame to see LOT or Wizz go. Let's see how it pans out....
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Change in strategy (or at least in tactics)?
Only the last one not served by Wizz (and LTN versus STN).
Any further comments?
Any further comments?
If this does succeed it will hurt both Wizzair and Vueling a lot financially.
Also it shows that Ryanair is moving away from creating new traffic where it did not earlier exist and now instead competing on already existing traffic.
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Krakow would be what they would be looking at I would suspect. However the big problem there is the international terminal is bursting at the seams in many areas and won't be extended until 2014 at least after numerous delays.
It was crazy enough last year in passport control, security and baggage, and is going to be worse still this year with about 8 new routes from various carriers this summer.
Even now there is a message on their website about delays in the airport because of how busy it is on a Sunday morning and is widely expected to be by far the busiest winter on record.
That leaves us with:
Bydgoszcz - Smallest airport in Poland. very unlikely
Gdańsk - Possible. Sizeable Wizz hub
Katowice - A wizz hub and competes with Krakow, unlikely.
Łódź - Too close to Warsaw I'd say to be a base.
Poznań - Possible - recently overtook Wizzair as biggest carrier.
Rzeszów - A few new flights recently, but can't see it myself.
Szczecin - Can't see it happening.
Warsaw Modlin - I'm sure they'd love one.
It was crazy enough last year in passport control, security and baggage, and is going to be worse still this year with about 8 new routes from various carriers this summer.
Even now there is a message on their website about delays in the airport because of how busy it is on a Sunday morning and is widely expected to be by far the busiest winter on record.
That leaves us with:
Bydgoszcz - Smallest airport in Poland. very unlikely
Gdańsk - Possible. Sizeable Wizz hub
Katowice - A wizz hub and competes with Krakow, unlikely.
Łódź - Too close to Warsaw I'd say to be a base.
Poznań - Possible - recently overtook Wizzair as biggest carrier.
Rzeszów - A few new flights recently, but can't see it myself.
Szczecin - Can't see it happening.
Warsaw Modlin - I'm sure they'd love one.
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I see the drama queens over on the airliners.net forum are up in arms about Ryanair's announcement yesterday of new routes from Bilbao to Madrid and Barcelona.
Ryanair CEO Needs Police Escort After Gloating In Front Of Laid-Off Workers - The Consumerist
Fair play to O'Leary, just like with Malev in BUD, he saw a gap in the market left by Spanair and took an opportunity, and in fairness to Ryanair, other airlines have launched routes from Bilbao too since Spanair's collapse, so its a bit much to accuse them of being insensitive to Spanair workers. If anything, doing nothing would've been a bigger insult, at least Ryanair and other airlines are providing new jobs to Spanish workers who've been left with nothing after Spanair's collapse.
Ryanair CEO Needs Police Escort After Gloating In Front Of Laid-Off Workers - The Consumerist
Fair play to O'Leary, just like with Malev in BUD, he saw a gap in the market left by Spanair and took an opportunity, and in fairness to Ryanair, other airlines have launched routes from Bilbao too since Spanair's collapse, so its a bit much to accuse them of being insensitive to Spanair workers. If anything, doing nothing would've been a bigger insult, at least Ryanair and other airlines are providing new jobs to Spanish workers who've been left with nothing after Spanair's collapse.
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Ryanair BUD base will now be 5 not 4 aircraft and as well as the new route said above there will be extra flights.
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Brussels increased from 7 to 13 weekly
Eindhoven increased from 2 to 4 weekly
Gothenburg increased from 2 to 3 weekly
Madrid increased from 4 to 6 weekly
Milan increased from 10 to 11 weekly
Rome increased from 7 to 10 weekly
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